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thebus88 said:
I added 6 and 7.

Do you have any opinions on any?? Seems people never really do, it’s just attacking/name calling, Foligno hugs, Elvis/song jokes and the same recycling of statistics.
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I am very sorry that not enough people are taking your bait. Feel free to participate in any of the ongoing discussions while you wait.
 
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Double-Shift Lasse said:
I am very sorry that not enough people are taking your bait. Feel free to participate in any of the ongoing discussions while you wait.
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Bait?? Logical, relevant to hockey, easily spelled out questions regarding both goalies still on the roster…

But, continue with the jokes about a dead alcoholic musician.
 
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Double-Shift Lasse said:
You think my incessant posting of Foligno hugs is somehow joking about a dead alcoholic musician?
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Meanwhile I'm starting to think you guys are setting up these Men in Black jokes on purpose.

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thebus88 said:
anybody willing, please fill out my goalie questionnaire….


Why was Korpisalo chosen as the starter each time both guys were actually healthy and playing??

How much of an effect did Korpisalo’s injury status have on Elvis being “chosen as the starter”??

What GOALIE SKILLS make Elvis a better goalie??

Please explain what “ceiling” is to you, in terms of player potential. Bonus: What are the ages of each goalie??

Why would the CBJ put any trade clauses in his contract if the plan was to simply keep him and consider him “the starting goalie moving forward”??

How much should we take away from the “play” or statistics of the goalies or any roster player from last year??

How many games played would you consider a goalie “proven” at the NHL level??

thanks
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I'll take the bait.

1. Korpisalo was chosen as the starting goalie at the start of the 2019/20 season due to many factors. The most important ones being he outperformed Elvis in the preseason, Elvis was still adjusting to NA hockey, and Tortorella clearly had a feeling of obligation to Korpi for being a good soldier and waiting his turn. We all know how much Torts thought of Korpi as a teammate, and how loyal Torts is to his guys. I think he felt he owed it to him to give him a chance after waiting his turn patiently.

Korpisalo was chosen as the starting goalie for the bubble playoffs because of the same reasons. Korpi and Elvis' numbers were pretty close, and the tie went to the goalie Torts knew better and trusted more as he was around Korpi for far longer. I think in the end Torts thought Korpi was calmer of the two goalies, which you need a steady hand in the playoffs. Which is also why he was picked to start the season last year due to all the drama the team was facing.

2. Both Korpi and Elvis have had their share of injuries. So zero.

3. I think Elvis is more athletic and isn't as prone to soft goals. Korpi being the better technically and positionally, but sometimes this part of his game lags and its when he gets into trouble. Overall I think Elvis is more consistent. Factor in soft goals, which they're both prone for, but Korpi is more prone to.

4. Ceiling means if all the things work out for the player and the team, how good is he? I don't think goalies have an age ceiling because we have seen many goalies go on absolute tears late in their careers.

5. I don't know, because players like no trade protection? I guess? Who knows.

6. Of course you factor in last season. I don't think you just burn the tape due to COVID protocols and all the drama. I think the whole picture matters more though.

7. I would say around 82-100 games started would define how good a goalies potential would be. I'm always a believer in "you have to show me twice" regarding young players. Goalies obviously don't play every single game, so 82 games is around two seasons worth of games for a usual starting goalie (maybe a little less). I don't think either Korpi or Elvis have reached their potential.

I don't think Korpi is bad at all. He's just prone to more errors. I think he's a legit starting goalie.
 
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majormajor said:
My point is that they knew which goalie we wanted to keep before we signed Elvis.
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Do you know for sure the CBJ weren't also talkng to Korpi about extensions?

Even if so the CBJ track record of signing young players to long term deals (or lack of signing future stars early) certainly doesn't give me that much confidence in their decisions.
 
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JacketsDavid said:
Do you know for sure the CBJ weren't also talkng to Korpi about extensions?

Even if so the CBJ track record of signing young players to long term deals (or lack of signing future stars early) certainly doesn't give me that much confidence in their decisions.
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By this logic CBJ shouldn’t sign any of their young players to long term deals.

It’s a mid-term deal .. it’s not like they gave him 8x8.

I won’t say there is not any risk with this deal .. generally an argument can always be about almost any deal — but the length and dollars of this one, combined with the teams current cap outlook don’t equal out to “high risk” IMO
 
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thebus88 said:
Holla at ya boy when Korpisalo is starting in a week or 2.

5 years, 27 million??

More like 5 goals against, 27 shots.
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Is anyone expecting Korpi to get zero starts in the first 2 weeks? I'm not.
 
Monk said:
Is anyone expecting Korpi to get zero starts in the first 2 weeks? I'm not.
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Start a poll asking which guy will have more starts after 2 weeks. I’m sure it will go the same way as the ones before and the MAJORITY will be wrong.

Korpisalo’s injuries are the only reason Merzlikins ever became “the starter”. In every important situation Korpisalo has been chosen and played.
 
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thebus88 said:
Start a poll asking which guy will have more starts after 2 weeks. I’m sure it will go the same way as the ones before and the MAJORITY will be wrong.

Korpisalo’s injuries are the only reason Merzlikins ever became “the starter”. In every important situation Korpisalo has been chosen and played.
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Ah, more starts, I'm with ya now. I'm hoping for a roughly 50/50 'go with the hot hand' approach.
 
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NHL Goalie Tiers 2021-22: Anonymous panel of GMs and coaches rates all 32 starters

Here is how it works: Corey Pronman, Michael Russo and Sean Shapiro surveyed more than three dozen experts across the NHL — a list that included general managers, head coaches, goalie coaches, goalie gurus and former goalies — and asked them to give each goalie a score between 1 and 5. We used that to tier the perceived starting goalies for all 32 teams.

Elvis ranked top of Tier 3.

14. Elvis Merzlikins, Blue Jackets
Average Tier rating last two seasons (unranked prior): 2.46
Highest Tier rating: 2.33 (2020)
Lowest Tier rating: 2.58 (2021)
Merzlikins is a character, whether he’s going to be a marquee actor in the goalie space or a fascinating sidestory will likely be determined this season.

“He’s a star in the making,” a former goalie said. “I want to see more consistency out of him. When he gets so hot, there’s nobody hotter than him. Like, he gets really, really hot. But I want to see consistency. … It’s gonna be a tougher year in Columbus this year, but I think he’s gonna be a bright spot.”

Others, even those high on the goalie, wonder how Merzlikins performs behind a more porous defense this season with the coaching change from John Tortorella to Brad Larsen.
“He’s learning,” a former goalie said. “He’s still very erratic, I think he’s immature sometimes in his approach. But just on raw skill, he’s a really, really good goaltender. I’ve told two managers that have talked to me about goaltenders that they should trade for him.”

The tragic death of Matiss Kivlenieks was also a point that multiple executives and scouts raised when discussing Merzlikins, more so about the emotional toll than the actual product on the ice.
 
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