The Curious Case of Mitch Marner discussion thread.

[666]

Hyman has 2 goals and 4 points in his past 12 post season games. Meanwhile Marner has 8 assists.

To be honest it seems your chances of success are about the same for both players... maybe even more for Hyman considering he actually MIGHT score a goal.

No. It’s Hand’s job to dig out pucks, create traffic in front and bang in the occasional rebound. It’s Marner’s job to control the play and feed Matthews whose job it is to score.

How many posts did Matthews hit this postseason (no pun intended)? How many huge chances did Hands miss because he’s just too dumb? The simple problem is that any time Hands is out with M&M they are basically playing shorthanded in the offensive zone because the other team knows that Hands is useless. Same with the PP when he’s on.

Next season Hands will be gone and if they finally put a real left winger on that line that has even a bit of skill we will see a big improvement.

 

[Stonehands1990]

Fact is we shouldn't have to find a magical formula for Mitch to find success... and be certainly shouldn't have to try to find easier matchups for him. Same goes for Matthews, Tavares or anyone in the league making more than 8 million I'm sure.

It’s not even a magic formula. There’s only 1 puck on the ice it doesn’t make sense to have stacked lines. For fun go look at how Laviolette, Trotz and Quennville make their lines. Spread out talent, stars maximize the depth guys

 

[Antropovsky]

No. It’s Hand’s job to dig out pucks, create traffic in front and bang in the occasional rebound. It’s Marner’s job to control the play and feed Matthews whose job it is to score.

How many posts did Matthews hit this postseason (no pun intended)? How many huge chances did Hands miss because he’s just too dumb? The simple problem is that any time Hands is out with M&M they are basically playing shorthanded in the offensive zone because the other team knows that Hands is useless. Same with the PP when he’s on.

Next season Hands will be gone and if they finally put a real left winger on that line that has even a bit of skill we will see a big improvement.

Matthews scored 40 goals as a rookie, he paced 45 goals in his second season with Nylander as his winger... and 45 goals in his 3rd season with Marleau, Johnsson, Kapanen, Ennis as his wingers. Matthews doesn't need Marner... and certainly doesn't need a designated passer on his line.... especially a 11 million dollar one.

 

[Antropovsky]

It’s not even a magic formula. There’s only 1 puck on the ice it doesn’t make sense to have stacked lines. For fun go look at how Laviolette, Trotz and Quennville make their lines. Spread out talent, stars maximize the depth guys

Not saying it's a bad idea to split everyone up and distribute 3 lines... I wanted Keefe to roll 4 lines.

I'm against the comments of needing to give Marner easier matchups.

 

[666]

Matthews scored 40 goals as a rookie, he paced 45 goals in his second season with Nylander as his winger... and 45 goals in his 3rd season with Marleau, Johnsson, Kapanen, Ennis as his wingers. Matthews doesn't need Marner... and certainly doesn't need a designated passer on his line.... especially a 11 million dollar one.

I agree with that. But it's Marner's job to get him to 60. It sure would be nice if Marner had a legitimate second option to pass to.

 

[HarryLime]

I agree with that. But it's Marner's job to get him to 60. It sure would be nice if Marner had a legitimate second option to pass to.

Or if he could score. Him being pass, pass, pass, muffin, pass actually hurts us a lot too.

 

[Gary Nylund]

No. It’s Hand’s job to dig out pucks, create traffic in front and bang in the occasional rebound. It’s Marner’s job to control the play and feed Matthews whose job it is to score.

How many posts did Matthews hit this postseason (no pun intended)? How many huge chances did Hands miss because he’s just too dumb? The simple problem is that any time Hands is out with M&M they are basically playing shorthanded in the offensive zone because the other team knows that Hands is useless. Same with the PP when he’s on.

Next season Hands will be gone and if they finally put a real left winger on that line that has even a bit of skill we will see a big improvement.

Is that the only way goals are scored - bang in a rebound? Is that why Marner can't be blamed for not scoring, it's not his job to bang?

Come on now.

 

[IPS]

Is that the only way goals are scored - bang in a rebound? Is that why Marner can't be blamed for not scoring, it's not his job to bang?

Come on now.

It is - and he did a very good job of it in the regular season, 6th in the league in EV goals and right up there with the best of them (except Auston who led EV goals by an astonishing margin).

Problem is the 0 goals in 18 playoff games gorilla on his back.

 

[weems]

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That stat is just pathetic.

I mean Josh Anderson who Leaf fans have been dogging all postseason scored two goals last night and that total is more than our 22 million combo has scored in their entire history of elimination playoff games.

 

[myleafs]

Exactly. The easy way out is to blame the fans when in fact it is absolutely incredible that such a large fan bas has stuck with this team no matter how many years of disappointment.
I know for myself much of my over the top anger this years is that I bought into the Shanaplan 100%. Tank the team get some good picks and build it correctly. That’s what they were doing and then boom Shanny gives the reins to some kid with zero NHL experience who goes out and signs a player that we did not need at that time for 11 million dollars. Then he gives 3 more crazy contracts and just like that the team is screwed.
He has to gut the rest of the team because of no money left.
Then we all have to listen to Marner not once but twice say that he wasn’t ready to start a playoff game and to further insult us he said he wasn’t going to do anything different to prepare for next year………but we are all still here.
Those greedy Punks should that god they play for such loyal fans

Yep, you nailed it. Shanny had the right idea at first and we were all on board with finally getting a proper rebuild which was coming along nicely and just like that he does a 180 on his own plan and history is repeating itself. So short sighted....again. ugh

 

[Thissiteisgarbage]

That stat is just pathetic.

I mean Josh Anderson who Leaf fans have been dogging all postseason scored two goals last night and that total is more than our 22 million combo has scored in their entire history of elimination playoff games.

Because Josh Anderson truly gives a sh**

 

[The Iceman]

Just remembering how much I loved Marner when he was on his rookie deal, now I despise him. What a disaster he has been since getting paid on his ridiculous contract. Can't wait until he is gone. Are there any teams in the league dumb enough to trade for this guy?

YEAH, we don't need no stinking 1st team All Star.
We had one of those in 1976-77

Previous to MM our last 1st team NHL All Star was Borje Salming 45 years ago.
And some want him run out of town....talent this elite should not be traded.
You will regret it every time.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

YEAH, we don't need no stinking 1st team All Star.
We had one of those in 1976-77

Previous to MM our last 1st team NHL All Star was Borje Salming 45 years ago.
And some want him run out of town....talent this elite should not be traded.
You will regret it every time.

Our regular season success would take a hit. Marner sure is great in the regular season. But would our playoffs success take a hit?

 

[Gary Nylund]

It is - and he did a very good job of it in the regular season, 6th in the league in EV goals and right up there with the best of them (except Auston who led EV goals by an astonishing margin).

Problem is the 0 goals in 18 playoff games gorilla on his back.

Marner's goals didn't come from banging in rebounds.

YEAH, we don't need no stinking 1st team All Star.
We had one of those in 1976-77

Previous to MM our last 1st team NHL All Star was Borje Salming 45 years ago.
And some want him run out of town....talent this elite should not be traded.
You will regret it every time.

Boston traded Joe Thornton, pretty sure they have no regrets.

 

[Trapper]

I agree with that. But it's Marner's job to get him to 60. It sure would be nice if Marner had a legitimate second option to pass to.

Why? Why does Matthews need to get to 60?
The goal is to win the Cup.
Some money for the rest of team to score goals in the playoffs might be nice.

 

[myleafs]

Sheltering a guy making $11 million?

Your right, it's nuts but if we are keeping him this is the way to go.

 

[Stonehands1990]

Your right, it's nuts but if we are keeping him this is the way to go.

It’s nuts but at this point we have to maximize the asset regardless of what he is paid. And he clearly can’t hack top matchups in the playoffs

 

[The Iceman]

Marner's goals didn't come from banging in rebounds.



Boston traded Joe Thornton, pretty sure they have no regrets.

Boston received Marco Sturm, Wayne Primeau and Brad Stuart for a Hall of Famer in JT who has gone on to score 1500+ points.
Then Boston finished last in their division the following 2 seasons.

I would have this quite high on the regret meter.

 

[myleafs]

No. It’s Hand’s job to dig out pucks, create traffic in front and bang in the occasional rebound. It’s Marner’s job to control the play and feed Matthews whose job it is to score.

How many posts did Matthews hit this postseason (no pun intended)? How many huge chances did Hands miss because he’s just too dumb? The simple problem is that any time Hands is out with M&M they are basically playing shorthanded in the offensive zone because the other team knows that Hands is useless. Same with the PP when he’s on.

Next season Hands will be gone and if they finally put a real left winger on that line that has even a bit of skill we will see a big improvement.

tee hee

 

[The Iceman]

Our regular season success would take a hot. Marner sure is great in the regular season. But would our playoffs success take a hit?

Marner is rightfully getting slammed for not offensively producing in the playoffs.
He is a remarkable defensive forward, probably our best who was a plus player in the playoffs, and averaged an unmanagable almost 25 mins a game against Montreal.
That is too many minutes for a forward especially in a playoff series.

 

[ShaneFalco]

I'm sure we don't know the half of the demands made by Marner - for all we know he has been verbally guaranteed a spot with Matthews' line and on the PP.
Anyone think Marner and Marner Sr. wouldn't try something like that??
Could help to explain Keefe's obviously insane lack of movement in the playoffs at least.

We've also heard rumours about taking MM off the PP:



And rumours about him refusing to play a certain way on the PP

But yeah, him not scoring a PP goal ALL YEAR, then continuing to suck in the playoffs - either Keefe is a complet emorong (fire him) or there's a verbal agreement. And seeing as thought Joe and Wayne weren't healthy scratched once, I tend to believe the latter

 

[PromisedLand]

The playoffs do, you don't make the playoffs if you don't preform in the regular season.

Making the playoffs is a wide margin i.e.

3 teams from a division
2 wild card teams

i.e. 8 teams get a chance to make the playoffs

Winning in playoffs is "NOT" a wide margin. You HAVE TO WIN to move on. And to win in the playoffs you have to outscore the opponent. If you cannot then the TEAM has to find who can do it.

Just making the playoffs is NOT the goal; Winning the CUP is the goal. You can squeak into the playoffs as the 2nd wildcard spot but then when REAL HOCKEY starts you gotta be able to perform at the highest level and not be dog shit with "I didn't do anything wrong" attitude meanwhile taking lion's share of the cap while other useful players have to leave -> Hyman, Freddie, soon to be Rielly.

Is Marner going to play Hymans role and goalie in net and be a 1st pairing D-man like Rielly while also contribute offensively in a wingers role because team doesn't have money to re-sign others who walk because money mitch took all the money bending over the fake glasses dubas?

Simply put is Marner going to raise his game to such a level when scraps are brought in to fill the roster; there is net benefit on the team even after losing guys like Hyman+Rielly? Hell even break even?

Marner+Matthews+Tavares cap hits are a net negative. They are not raising their level enough to compensate for the quality leaving the team.

Marner is the biggest culprit there

 

[ToneDog]

Mitch can stay on the PP if you replace #44 with somebody who has a shot that teams must respect. 16 and 44 on the same PP does not work. If Dubas is set on not moving 16, he should look to upgrade 44.

 

[PromisedLand]

Why? Marner is not know to be a a goal scorer in the regular season or playoffs, most leaf fans know this.

on which planet do a "not a goal scorer" command a 11 AAV in the NHL?

 

[PromisedLand]

Thornton was crap in the playoffs so they moved him. Thornton continued being pretty crap in the playoffs. Seems they were right. Seemed pretty "smart" of them... especially when they started building a team around the right kind of players that lead them to a cup.

There is precedent either way.

No what there is NO precedent for? Half the cap on 4 forwards.

You would have been fine always losing in the first and 2nd rounds with players who score a lot of regular season points. Boston was more interested in a cup.

Boston has not only had a cup but 2 SCF appearances after winning the cup (against hawks and then blues) and are consistent playoffs performers i.e. do not choke and always in the mix for conference finals