The Core Has To Go

[rumman]

There's pretty much a 0% chance he commits to going there with the way things are looking. The number one argument people made for him leaving was him going home to Arizona. Why would he commit and sign a long term deal there when the team might be gone a year later? Hell, they may not even be there when he's a UFA (if he gets that far).

He doesn’t need to commit, he can be traded anywhere before his NMC kicks in……….

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Of course. I'm not thinking 34 goes to Chicago at all. More like Vegas, LA, or Anaheim.

 

[francis246]

Of course. I'm not thinking 34 goes to Chicago at all. More like Vegas, LA, or Anaheim.

Could we trade Marner to Anaheim for one of their young guys plus depth? I wouldn’t mind a McTavish or Drysdale package

 

[keonsbitterness]

I disagree.

So what do we about getting a #1C?

 

[Rob Brown]

He doesn’t need to commit, he can be traded anywhere before his NMC kicks in……….

Don't think you understood my post.

 

[rumman]

Don't think you understood my post.

No doubt, I have my faults, please accept my apology…….

 

[HamiltonNHL]

The Leafs would make a f*** ton of money if they won the Cup lol. Obviously it's a goal.

they already do.

 

[Rob Brown]

they already do.

Yeah, and they'd make a f*** ton more if they won the Cup. So if you think they only care about money, then winning the Cup would be advantageous for them to make even more money.

 

[Dayjobdave]

Feels like we need to make a deal, but as an old guy, I've lived through Mahovlich for a couple of guys, Lanny for a couple of guys, and Sittler for a couple of guys...

Not sure which couple of guys we are getting this time, but my scars aren't encouraging me to feel hopeful.

 

[freshwind]

Feels like we need to make a deal, but as an old guy, I've lived through Mahovlich for a couple of guys, Lanny for a couple of guys, and Sittler for a couple of guys...

Not sure which couple of guys we are getting this time, but my scars aren't encouraging me to feel hopeful.

i feel ya ... been there, done that

can't forget some others

courtnall for kordic

carlo colaiacovo and alexander steen for lee stempniak

randy carlyle and george ferguson for dave burrows

the one that bugged me more than many others ...
errol thompson, 2 1sts and a 2nd for dan "snowshoes" maloney ....

 

[notDatsyuk]

Every thing leafs fan was blaming kessel couple of year ago, Nylander hit exactly every case.

Kessel was part of problem and leafs should traded him... but nylander ah no hes part of solution, hes the guy leafs absolutly need to keep!!!!

Yes thats working for 2 season with kessel but pittsburgh had a pretty great group of leader who had already won stanley cup and despite it, they needed tontrade kessel 4 years later because trouble was starting between kessel and pittsburgh core...

Leafs struggling since 7 years with leader whos loocking having a mental block but lets keep kessel 2.0 and cross your finger than everything working...

One problem with Kessel and Nylander is similar, in that they were both misused, but not much else.

We paid too much for Kessel, overpaid him a bit, and tried to use him as a #1 forward, which he wasn't. When Pittsburg used him on their second line, he excelled.

We drafted Nylander, he's still underpaid a bit, and we keep trying to use him to make the Tavares signing look like it wasn't terrible. When we get him away from JT, he excels.

 

[rumman]

One problem with Kessel and Nylander is similar, in that they were both misused, but not much else.

We paid too much for Kessel, overpaid him a bit, and tried to use him as a #1 forward, which he wasn't. When Pittsburg used him on their second line, he excelled.

We drafted Nylander, he's still underpaid a bit, and we keep trying to use him to make the Tavares signing look like it wasn't terrible. When we get him away from JT, he excels.

I was firmly still on the Burke train until the Kessel trade, fatso decided to get the icing before the cake was even out of the oven, yet another kick the football Charles Brown moment for me.........

 

[notDatsyuk]

Nylander almost as good than marner... not even close... when nylander will start to commit himself in defensive system and sacrifice himself to make defensive play like marner did, maybe but it will never happen

Since 2016
Nylander production at 5v5
7 goal 5 primary assist 12 pts ( i dont care about free pts on secondary assist you got by watching your teammate making play)

Marner 8 goal 11 primary assist 19 pts

19>>>12

Marner playing pk, playing all big defensive situation, playing toughest matchup than nylander but despite tje fact nylander played against worst opposition, no body in the team been on the ice as much than Nylander... so plesee tell me where nylander had been better in playoff... hes been a better pp player but Marner had been easily the best 5v5 player

Ps nylander salary will raise after this season, you dont build a team for 1 season but for the next 5-6-7

Even with having to play mostly with Tavares, he's still producing better.
ES pts/60:

Nylander - 1.76
Matthews - 1.75
Marner - 1.68
Tavares - 1.45

And doing it for 35% less!

 

[notDatsyuk]

Alienation of the team's captain aside, having Tavares not play doesn't sound like much of a recipe for boosting trade interest from other teams.

According to some posters, there's a lineup of about twenty teams eager to have him as their #1C.

 

[ZEBROA]

One of the reasons any deal u get for Nylander might fail, is the pressure of playing for the leafs. Not everybody will handle the pressure as good as Nylander. The media and fans here are a different beast to handle, and not for everybody. It is a big reason IMO that some players that leave thrives else where.

I realy dont care what they do, as long as they dont just do stuff to look smart.
Start with D, goalie etc.

 

[thusk]

One problem with Kessel and Nylander is similar, in that they were both misused, but not much else.

We paid too much for Kessel, overpaid him a bit, and tried to use him as a #1 forward, which he wasn't. When Pittsburg used him on their second line, he excelled.

We drafted Nylander, he's still underpaid a bit, and we keep trying to use him to make the Tavares signing look like it wasn't terrible. When we get him away from JT, he excels.

The problem is when nylander playing with matthews over jt, yes he excel... but Matthews playing his worst hockey...

But yep im agree jt signing was a mistake but we need to live with right now

Even with having to play mostly with Tavares, he's still producing better.
ES pts/60:

Nylander - 1.76
Matthews - 1.75
Marner - 1.68
Tavares - 1.45

And doing it for 35% less!

Just Remove secondary assist who most of the time are just free pts in play you just dont do anythin... big part of nylander pts on playoff came from goal he did nothing...

Personally, I dont give more credit in offensive part for a secondary assist than for a guy who creating screen in front of the net but didn't get a single pts.

Marner 1.45
Matthews 1.4
tavares 1.06
Nylander 1.01

 

[frizzer1]

I just rewatched the third period of game 5.............nylander and marner were the only ones who had any effect on the offense. ( I stll haven't seen the overtime).
Trading either one would, imo, result in one of the worst offensive teams in the league,
But as long as that tavares contract is here they will not be able to afford both......my guess is that it's willy who goes.

And I think that eventually fans are going to blame tavares for this mess.

 

[notDatsyuk]

The problem is when nylander playing with matthews over jt, yes he excel... but Matthews playing his worst hockey...

But yep im agree jt signing was a mistake but we need to live with right now


Just Remove secondary assist who most of the time are just free pts in play you just dont do anythin... big part of nylander pts on playoff came from goal he did nothing...

Personally, I dont give more credit in offensive part for a secondary assist than for a guy who creating screen in front of the net but didn't get a single pts.

Marner 1.45
Matthews 1.4
tavares 1.06
Nylander 1.01

I didn't say he was necessarily playing with Matthews, and I don't think you can honestly say Matthews was worse with Nylander.

Sure, if you feel you have to discredit second assists to try to make your point, go ahead. Sometimes the second assist is the more important one. Willy's last goal was a perfect example - Brodie moved the puck out of our end and Tavares just touched it before Willy grabbed it, went in alone, and scored a beauty.

I just rewatched the third period of game 5.............nylander and marner were the only ones who had any effect on the offense. ( I stll haven't seen the overtime).
Trading either one would, imo, result in one of the worst offensive teams in the league,
But as long as that tavares contract is here they will not be able to afford both......my guess is that it's willy who goes.

And I think that eventually fans are going to blame tavares for this mess.

Some of us have been blaming Tavares, or more correctly Dubas, for it ever since they signed that contract.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

I was firmly still on the Burke train until the Kessel trade, fatso decided to get the icing before the cake was even out of the oven, yet another kick the football Charles Brown moment for me.........

Amen .. Burke such a loud mouth no brainer .. getting da 5th wheel before da 2C 1D and 1G .. his trade gave Bruins 2 core pieces .. omg what a complete hockey neophyte .. and leaf ownership so stupid too .. all burke did to win a Cup was pay Pronger and then get Niedermeyers bro to convince his bro to sign with Ducks .. everything else was already in place hockey wise with Murray rip

 

[Buds17]

According to some posters, there's a lineup of about twenty teams eager to have him as their #1C.

He can have all the trade value in the world and it just won't matter if he has no intention of waiving that NMC.

He's still very much a player of quality and much less would be made of this on a team that:
a) has won more than one playoff series in recent times and
b) is without three players making over 10M each under a cap system.

 

[rumman]

Amen .. Burke such a loud mouth no brainer .. getting da 5th wheel before da 2C 1D and 1G .. his trade gave Bruins 2 core pieces .. omg what a complete hockey neophyte .. and leaf ownership so stupid too .. all burke did to win a Cup was pay Pronger and then get Niedermeyers bro to convince his bro to sign with Ducks .. everything else was already in place hockey wise with Murray rip

true that, Murray built that team..............

 

[Dayjobdave]

i feel ya ... been there, done that

can't forget some others

courtnall for kordic

carlo colaiacovo and alexander steen for lee stempniak

randy carlyle and george ferguson for dave burrows

the one that bugged me more than many others ...
errol thompson, 2 1sts and a 2nd for dan "snowshoes" maloney ....

Good times.... good times...

 

[Martin Skoula]

Yeah, and they'd make a f*** ton more if they won the Cup. So if you think they only care about money, then winning the Cup would be advantageous for them to make even more money.

Or instead of blocking shots they’d be floating around racking up PP points like McDrai. Oddly enough it’s the moneymaker skills that seem to disappear rather than the “doing the little things” that don’t make you any money.

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

How much help does a core 4 earning 40+ million need?

If a lot, why did they take so much money?
If not a lot, why do they expect help?

It's 1 things to make 11M and want help

It's another to make 11M, have two other players making 11M and still want help.

 

[thusk]

I didn't say he was necessarily playing with Matthews, and I don't think you can honestly say Matthews was worse with Nylander.

Sure, if you feel you have to discredit second assists to try to make your point, go ahead. Sometimes the second assist is the more important one. Willy's last goal was a perfect example - Brodie moved the puck out of our end and Tavares just touched it before Willy grabbed it, went in alone, and scored a beauty.


Some of us have been blaming Tavares, or more correctly Dubas, for it ever since they signed that contract.

But like i saif MOST of the time its free pts but yes sometime its great play...

3 pts he had gm 4 is vs tampa is a great exemple... both matthews goal he just watching marner pass to matthews and kerfoot goal when he just watching kerfoot deflected gio shot...

0 26 goal/ 60 and 0.56 primary assist is nylander stats at 5v5 last 2 post season...

Just as exemple
Matthews 1.17 g/60 ans 0.37 a1/60
Marner 0.84g and 1.41 A1/60
Tavares 1.2 g and 0.24 A1