The Core Has To Go

[ULF_55]

At his salary, why not?

Virtually no downside as a 2nd/3rd option.

Kenny Woll.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Woll is a future top end goalie.

Injuries are the only reason we even went for Murray.
He should have been vying for back-up minutes last year, but was injured.

Good point. Woll was recovering from surgery last fall so he was not an option.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Was watching the sdp and they were talking about how these stats are made and for example last game it said that Marner had no giveaways which is totally wrong and there were other examples of things that were wrong so the idea is if the way stats are noted is wrong then the whole winometer etc is wrong

I completely agree about the 'soft' stats. It's really obvious when you look at home and road numbers.

On the road last season, there was one Leaf with 30+ takeaways. but at home there were seven.

Three players with 40 hits on the road, five at home.

Tavares had 26 giveaways and 13 takeaways on the road, but 28 giveaways and 33 takeaways at home.

Is their game really that different at home, or is the bean counter a bit biased?

I don't remember which goalie it was (years ago), but I noticed there were suddenly a lot more shots on him than before, although the games and the scores were the same. GAA stayed the same but save% went way up, shortly before he was traded.

 

[diceman934]

If they trade out Matthews or Marner I am ok with giving ROR a contract to stay. Matthews would hurt to lose but Marner not so much really, he doesn't score and goal scorers score anyways so long as they have a decent playmaker.

Marner is untouchable. You have never liked our best player.

 

[thewave]

Marner is untouchable. You have never liked our best player.

That's tongue in cheek right? Regular season you mean? I guess you could debate that but the Rocket takes the cake for sure so, no I disagree on that.

 

[ULF_55]

Core was going, as much as they could, last night.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

I watched Nylander on several occasions stop up and come in with the light stick tap on Montour. Would it hurt to throw a check from time to time? Especially when FLA's forwards are filling in TOR's D at every opportunity.

 

[FerrisRox]

I think Boston regrets the return more than the trade itself.

Boston wouldn't have had the financial flexibility to bring in Zdeno Chara if they hadn't shipped out Joe Thornton.

I don't think they regret it in the slightest.

 

[Gallagbi]

Boston wouldn't have had the financial flexibility to bring in Zdeno Chara if they hadn't shipped out Joe Thornton.

I don't think they regret it in the slightest.

The return was garbage and they would have done better with picks IMO.

They also signed Savard that summer, they dont land Z and Savard, but they likely get one.

Either way, i dont see many sleepless nights from that trade.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Marner is untouchable. You have never liked our best player.

I know you're Marner's biggest fan but honestly, how would assess Marner's performance in game 3?

 

[Apex Predator]

I know you're Marner's biggest fan but honestly, how would assess Marner's performance in game 3?

It’s okay he scored a goal in game 4 it’s all good now. Everything he’s done in the past is forgiven.

 

[Gary Nylund]

It’s okay he scored a goal in game 4 it’s all good now. Everything he’s done in the past is forgiven.

I forgive, but I don't forget.

 

[Apex Predator]

I forgive, but I don't forget.

Exactly we can’t have short memories of his past failures in the playoffs. When he has one good game. Same applies to Matthews. I worry about signing these guys long term when they’ve shown 7 years of play inconsistency with long stretches of disappearing.

Is 7 years still a small sample size?

 

[Gary Nylund]

Exactly we can’t have short memories of his past failures in the playoffs. When he has one good game. Same applies to Matthews. I worry about signing these guys long term when they’ve shown 7 years of play inconsistency with long stretches of disappearing.

Is 7 years still a small sample size?

Everyone's complaining about JT and how we shouldn't have signed him as we should have known he'd be declining and so on. So I guess we should be worrying about signing M&M as well as they'll be around the same age as JT was when their new contracts kick in. If signing JT has "doomed" this franchise until that contract ends, what does resigning both M&M do? Is there such a thing as doubledoom?

 

[seventieslord]

Everyone's complaining about JT and how we shouldn't have signed him as we should have known he'd be declining and so on. So I guess we should be worrying about signing M&M as well as they'll be around the same age as JT was when their new contracts kick in. If signing JT has "doomed" this franchise until that contract ends, what does resigning both M&M do? Is there such a thing as doubledoom?

It is dangerous, but realistically not quite as dangerous. Matthews will be a year younger, he is a lot better and perhaps most importantly, he's a much better skater. I expect him to be overpaid on an extension from year 4 on, but it is unlikely to become the anchor that JT is.

I'm not saying we should extend him, I am on record here saying that it would be a bad idea to expect things to go any differently or better at the ages of 27 to 34 for 16 million, when paying him 11 million for The last 5 years got us nothing. But it is less of a risk than JT, no doubt. Plenty of teams have retained their UFAs around this age and it's gone well from an individual performance standpoint.

 

[freshwind]

I keep toying with the different possible scenarios
taking out the personal bias and what player we like more than the other there are a number of factors that play in to the decision for dubas or whoever the gm is when the season ends, whether it is this weekend or june ....
fact 1 - jt has a full nmc for 2 more years on a buyout proof contract
fact 2 - matthews has a full nmc kicking in july 1
fact 3 - marner has a full nmc kicking in july 1
fact 4 - nylander has a m-ntc kicking in july 1 (10 team list)

the discussion needs to occur with jt, even if the answer is "i am going nowhere"
matthews has to agree to an extension in principle before the draft, if he doesn't the decision needs to be made on him as to whether they gamble keeping him or moving him
nylander we can wait on (would be nice to extend july 1) since he can be moved at the deadline next year for a boatload i suspect
marner is the tougher one to determine what to do with, if matthews and nyander both agree to extensions for july 1 the team needs to seriously consider moving him, the return for 2 years will be as good as and maybe better than for 1 year of matthews

this would allow the team to make a decent offer to ror to stay as well as the other ufa guys they decide to try to keep

a secondary benefit would be some coin to spend in either the ufa market or the trade market

i know it is unpopular but i don't relish the idea of these guys being able to hold the team hostage or to walk away for nothing

 

[fahad203]

Core was going, as much as they could, last night.

They looked better than before, but still not up to their capability.
It seems when they are going, they are all going

One of them really needs to take charge, not just have good games

We pay them enough and these games are critical. This was our 4th game, and Auston still looks disinterested

 

[666]

I know you're Marner's biggest fan but honestly, how would assess Marner's performance in game 3?

How would you assess McDavid and Drai in their game 3?

 

[fahad203]

How would you assess McDavid and Drai in their game 3?

McDavid and Drai dont' play for leafs

If Drai did nothing at all, most Oilers fans would be ok with his play. 13 goals in 10 games is not bad
Oilers are also not down 3-1 and wasn't in the verge of being swept

Marner games hasn't been bad just on the Offense, but his decision making has been mind boggling at best

 

[666]

McDavid and Drai dont' play for leafs

If Drai did nothing at all, most Oilers fans would be ok with his play. 13 goals in 10 games is not bad
Oilers are also not down 3-1 and wasn't in the verge of being swept

Marner games hasn't been bad just on the Offense, but his decision making has been mind boggling at best

The point is, since it whooshed past you, is that great players often have bad games or even bad weeks. Get over it.

 

[fahad203]

The point is, since it whooshed past you, is that great players often have bad games or even bad weeks. Get over it.

For past 5 years?
Ok bud

You should take a look at his numbers in important close out games

 

[Gary Nylund]

It is dangerous, but realistically not quite as dangerous. Matthews will be a year younger, he is a lot better and perhaps most importantly, he's a much better skater. I expect him to be overpaid on an extension from year 4 on, but it is unlikely to become the anchor that JT is.

I'm not saying we should extend him, I am on record here saying that it would be a bad idea to expect things to go any differently or better at the ages of 27 to 34 for 16 million, when paying him 11 million for The last 5 years got us nothing. But it is less of a risk than JT, no doubt. Plenty of teams have retained their UFAs around this age and it's gone well from an individual performance standpoint.

Yes, I would agree with all this. It's just a general thought I've had for a few years now anticipating resigning our stars. If players peak from 23-26 or whatever it is, and they're at the end of their peaks when it's time to resign them and they want 8 year deals (maybe the team does too), you need to be really careful.

The bolded is key. Never mind 16 million, I think it would be really hard to justify paying Matthews 14 million or paying Marner a penny more than he's making now.

How would you assess McDavid and Drai in their game 3?

I'm pretty sure you're not really interested in what I think but if you have a point to make, feel free to make it.

 

[666]

For past 5 years?
Ok bud

You should take a look at his numbers in important close out games

Last night in potential season ending game he had a goal and an assist in a 2-1 one game.

 

[Gary Nylund]

The point is, since it whooshed past you, is that great players often have bad games or even bad weeks. Get over it.

If you think people are upset with Marner because of just one bad game or one bad week, then the point "whooshed" past you.

 

[666]

If you think people are upset with Marner because of just one bad game or one bad week, then the point "whooshed" past you.

During the season and especially last week you thought he was one of the greatest Leafs of all time. It only took you 3 games to completely change your mind AGAIN. I can just imagine if the Leafs win the next three how you'll flip flop again. Why do you do that to yourself?