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The bolded is key. Never mind 16 million, I think it would be really hard to justify paying Matthews 14 million or paying Marner a penny more than he's making now.
Well I think so too, but since we've already established these guys will chase every last dollar, I don't think it's crazy to think that some team will knock his socks off with an offer like that. Don't forget that the Leafs don't have to only match an offer for it to make after-tax sense for the player, they need to offer as much as 30% more than some teams that reside in states without state tax.
 
During the season and especially last week you thought he was one of the greatest Leafs of all time. It only took you 3 games to completely change your mind AGAIN. I can just imagine if the Leafs win the next three how you'll flip flop again. Why do you do that to yourself?
Can you find a quote? I don't remember saying any such thing and I don't generally think about players in those terms because this team has mostly sucked for the last 50 years so why compare him to 50 years worth of mediocrity? What's the point of saying Marner is an all-time great out of this pool of mediocrity?

Not saying I neve said anything like that but it's mostly other people who brag about "all-time Leaf great" and so on, I think how our guys stack up to other players in the league today is more relevant, how does he stack up against Ranta, Tkachuk, Pasta etc. but if you want to talk about all-time then IMO you need to define the criteria - does Gilmour qualify, or does someone have to be with team for a longer period of time and so on.

As I've said before, it's not flip flopping, it's that player evaluations are in a constant state of flux. They're like stock prices, constantly going up and down. It's not that hard a concept really but feel free to ask if there's something about it you don't understand. Playoffs also carry more weight then regular season games, for me anyway so absolutely, if we win the next three and Marner helps do that, his stock goes up, it's just a question of how much. Does that help?

Well I think so too, but since we've already established these guys will chase every last dollar, I don't think it's crazy to think that some team will knock his socks off with an offer like that. Don't forget that the Leafs don't have to only match an offer for it to make after-tax sense for the player, they need to offer as much as 30% more than some teams that reside in states without state tax.
If they ask for too much, I'd trade 'em. Hard to say where exactly to draw that line but whatever, hope Dubas or whoever decides wisely.
 
Last night in potential season ending game he had a goal and an assist in a 2-1 one game.
True, but that doesn't change the fact that he made a couple of bad giveaways in the first, and his assist was because he lost the puck while avoiding a check, and luckily Bunting recovered it and it bounced off the ref right into the slot.
 
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As I've said before, it's not flip flopping, it's that player evaluations are in a constant state of flux. They're like stock prices, constantly going up and down. It's not that hard a concept really but feel free to ask if there's something about it you don't understand. Playoffs also carry more weight then regular season games, for me anyway so absolutely, if we win the next three and Marner helps do that, his stock goes up, it's just a question of how much. Does that help?
This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read.

If you were the GM you would have traded Marner 50 times already always at the low point. I believe that you gamble which explains things. You must have a horrible stock portfolio.

Hockey does not work that way but now we can at least understand your erratic behavior.
 
They can stay if they make it to round 3. No excuses.

“But we were so close”. You dug yourself a hole and have to get out of it now.
 
True, but that doesn't change the fact that he made a couple of bad giveaways in the first, and his assist was because he lost the puck while avoiding a check, and luckily Bunting recovered it and it bounced off the ref right into the slot.
Gee, an all-star playmaker who gets way more touches than average also makes mistakes sometimes, has bad weeks occasionally and has linemates that sometime have bad games.
 
This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read.

If you were the GM you would have traded Marner 50 times already always at the low point. I believe that you gamble which explains things. You must have a horrible stock portfolio.

Hockey does not work that way but now we can at least understand your erratic behavior.
The bolded is wrong. You seem to be obsessed with harassing me and add no thoughts of your own. I said player evaluations are always changing, I think that's super obvious but if you think that's dumb, the intelligent thing to do would to explain yourself instead of making up lies and attributing them to me.

I would trade any player if I thought it was good for the team, it all depends on the return and no player is untouchable. In that sense Marner is no different from any other player.
 
The bolded is wrong. You seem to be obsessed with harassing me and add no thoughts of your own. I said player evaluations are always changing, I think that's super obvious but if you think that's dumb, the intelligent thing to do would to explain yourself instead of making up lies and attributing them to me.

I would trade any player if I thought it was good for the team, it all depends on the return and no player is untouchable. In that sense Marner is no different from any other player.

Dude, your stock market comparison is all we need to hear. Hockey doesn't work that way.

We'll look forward to you flip flopping again whether it's next game, or next week or next year. You will be back to being a Marner homer, that's for sure. For now, wallow in the current bear market, sell low and we'll see you with the bulls.
 
Dude, your stock market comparison is all we need to hear. Hockey doesn't work that way.

We'll look forward to you flip flopping again whether it's next game, or next week or next year. You will be back to being a Marner homer, that's for sure. For now, wallow in the current bear market, sell low and we'll see you with the bulls.
Buy low, sell high, that would be my advice.

So your player evaluations don't change, got it. So if you were to list the top 10 players in the league, your list wouldn't change from year to year. No "flip flopping" for you, That's brilliant dude, you're a hockey genius.

:biglaugh::biglaugh:
 
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I think out of the core four the only one that you keep is Matthews. They all really haven't performed that well but at least with Matthews he's a shooter and a goal scorer, he's big, he can take hits, he actually hits a lot for the kind of player he is, and he's the most physical and least scared out of the four (mainly because he's 6'3 and can take the hits). I'd also move him to RW.

I would honestly start working with Knies on faceoffs etc. And turn him into a Center I think he'd be good at Center. And start working with Zohorna as well to get him ready, he's huge and would be useful to have in the lineup.

The "????????" is what I'd change. Maybe.... Mark Scheifele - Pierre-Luc Dubois - Auston Matthews as a first line?

???????? - ???????? - Matthews
???????? - Knies - ????????
McMann - O'Rielly - Minten / Lafferty
Kampf - Zohorna - Acciari

???????? - ????????
Rielly - Timmins
McCabe - Schenn

Woll - Kallgren (or sign a cheap reliable backup)
Or
Hellebuyck - Woll
 
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Player evaluation does not change game to game or in your case every three days.
Might not change a lot, but it might change a little bit. Every game counts my friend, and some games count more than others.

It's funny, there are a ton of people ripping Marner to shreds, wanting him traded no matter what the return, calling him names etc. but you seem to only have a problem with me. I even made a lengthy post the other day telling someone they should stop with the personal insults towards Marner, did you miss that one? Funny, I don't notice you posting at all but every now and then you come out of nowhere and start posting lies about something I supposedly said years ago. Why are you so obsessed with me?

For the record, I have no problem with you and any time you want to have a respectful conversation like a normal person about Marner or anything else, I'm your Huckleberry. Have a good one.
 
For the record, I have no problem with you and any time you want to have a respectful conversation like a normal person about Marner or anything else, I'm your Huckleberry. Have a good one.
For the record the only problem I have with you in your CONSTANT flip flopping on Marner. Aren't you the guy that started the eating crow thread with this line:

"All you who said that Mitch Marner's game isn't suited for the playoffs, have a seat at the table."

That was four games ago dude!!!!
 
For the record the only problem I have with you in your CONSTANT flip flopping on Marner. Aren't you the guy that started the eating crow thread with this line:

"All you who said that Mitch Marner's game isn't suited for the playoffs, have a seat at the table."

That was four games ago dude!!!!
Don't be such a drama queen. I've been saying the same thing all season (which is the opposite of "constant" flip flopping - ever since we lost to MTL in the playoffs, Marner's played great.

He was literally the worst player on the ice in game 3. A player who's top 10 in cap hit for the entire league can not allow that to happen, period. It's not just one bad game, it's one game that stinks so bad, you can smell it coast to coast.

If you have a problem with my evaluation of Marner taking a huge turn for the worse after that game, then I'd say you have a problem with the majority of people who post here. Why aren't you in the Marner thread giving everyone crap for dumping all over him? Oh that's right, you're just obsessed with me.
 
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He was literally the worst player on the ice in game 3. A player who's top 10 in cap hit for the entire league can not allow that to happen, period. It's not just one bad game, it's one game that stinks so bad, you can smell it coast to coast.
Like I said, your stock market analogy is all that we need to hear. You'll be back.
 
Like I said, your stock market analogy is all that we need to hear. You'll be back.
And you keep repeating yourself because you like the sound of your own voice?

Funny how you clip one part of my posts and ignore the rest. Like this for example, I notice you don't feel like explaining yourself here, I wonder why?

If you have a problem with my evaluation of Marner taking a huge turn for the worse after that game, then I'd say you have a problem with the majority of people who post here. Why aren't you in the Marner thread giving everyone crap for dumping all over him? Oh that's right, you're just obsessed with me.
 
And you keep repeating yourself because you like the sound of your own voice?

Funny how you clip one part of my posts and ignore the rest. Like this for example, I notice you don't feel like explaining yourself here, I wonder why?

If you have a problem with my evaluation of Marner taking a huge turn for the worse after that game, then I'd say you have a problem with the majority of people who post here. Why aren't you in the Marner thread giving everyone crap for dumping all over him? Oh that's right, you're just obsessed with me.
Because you have almost 30,000 posts and a ton of them on the Marner thread. I consider you their leader. No one is obsessed with Marner like you are and no one flip flops as hard as you.
 
Because you have almost 30,000 posts and a ton of them on the Marner thread. I consider you their leader. No one is obsessed with Marner like you are and no one flip flops as hard as you.
LOL OK, sure thing dude.

I also asked about player evaluations - I said they go up and down, you said that's dumb and you still haven't explained why. Is that all you do, harass people, demand explanations and refuse to explain when someone asks you something?
 
LOL OK, sure thing dude.

I also asked about player evaluations - I said they go up and down, you said that's dumb and you still haven't explained why. Is that all you do, harass people, demand explanations and refuse to explain when someone asks you something?
Player evaluations (and deciding whether or not to trade a player) does not change in any meaningful way after 4 games, one of which he played well. Do you honestly expect Boston to trade away their top guys now?
 
Player evaluations (and deciding whether or not to trade a player) does not change in any meaningful way after 4 games, one of which he played well. Do you honestly expect Boston to trade away their top guys now?
Fair enough, agree to disagree.

IMHO, how Marner played in game 3 against Florida which was the most important game of the year up to that point means a lot more than some game in January. Many people said that that was maybe even the worst game he's played as a Maple Leaf, when you play that badly in crucial moments, then never mind 4 games, just that 1 game is enough to affect his "stock price".

Whether or not Marner should be traded depends on many things, what the return would be for one. I've explained this to you before, please try to remember and not repeat the same crapola over and over again, can you do that, or is that asking too much?

I don't care what Boston does.
 
Fair enough, agree to disagree.

IMHO, how Marner played in game 3 against Florida which was the most important game of the year up to that point means a lot more than some game in January. Many people said that that was maybe even the worst game he's played as a Maple Leaf, when you play that badly in crucial moments, then never mind 4 games, just that 1 game is enough to affect his "stock price".

Whether or not Marner should be traded depends on many things, what the return would be for one. I've explained this to you before, please try to remember and not repeat the same crapola over and over again, can you do that, or is that asking too much?

I don't care what Boston does.
Yeah, there's nothing new here.

The "depending on the return" BS is nonsense. I would challenge you to try to come up with a reasonable Marner trade that would make the Leafs better in the big 4 window and post it on the Trades forum. You don't blame one guy for the teams issues and you never trade a Marner away.
 
Gee, an all-star playmaker who gets way more touches than average also makes mistakes sometimes, has bad weeks occasionally and has linemates that sometime have bad games.
Also true, but that doesn't change the facts either.
 
Yeah, there's nothing new here.

The "depending on the return" BS is nonsense. I would challenge you to try to come up with a reasonable Marner trade that would make the Leafs better in the big 4 window and post it on the Trades forum. You don't blame one guy for the teams issues and you never trade a Marner away.
Why would I post in the trades forum? You go ahead if you want.

I'm not blaming one guy for the teams issues.

Never trade "a Marner" away - way too dogmatic IMO. Music to his agents ears though I'm sure.
 
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The Marner talk I don’t think anyone is basing this only on just game 3 but over the 7 years in the playoffs where he has struggled at important times.

I think the pressure of playing in Toronto and the past gets to Marner.
 
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