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MAB1

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Hard to bet against Marner right now, hes been terrific.

Top in points, and +/-

Also playing the 3rd most mins (behind McDvaid and Kopitar)

As someone that has been on the Marner > Matthews train for a while, nice that hes really showing his worth this postseason. Not that matthews has been bad or anything, but marner has been the man for toronto so far.
Marner to the Leafs is what Drai is to Edmonton. McDavid/Matthews might get more attention and fanfare but Marner/LD are the true offensive engines for their team (Matthews/McDavid have more gamebreaking/rare talent but Marner/Drai consistently carry their teams). For the Leafs Marner is also a shutdown line option/pk forward so you could say he's defensively the engine as well with ROR.
 

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Marner to the Leafs is what Drai is to Edmonton. McDavid/Matthews might get more attention and fanfare but Marner/LD are the true offensive engines for their team (Matthews/McDavid have more gamebreaking/rare talent but Marner/Drai consistently carry their teams). For the Leafs Marner is also a shutdown line option/pk forward so you could say he's defensively the engine as well with ROR.
No, McDavid is the true driver for the Oilers. Maybe in this series Draisaitl has played better but over 82 games McDavid drives the Oilers.
 

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No, McDavid is the true driver for the Oilers. Maybe in this series Draisaitl has played better but over 82 games McDavid drives the Oilers. You have no idea what you are talking about.
You can have your opinion but it's wrong. McDavid has more gamebreaking talent, meaning that in the regular season, against all kinds of teams, good and bad, he can exploit them more. In a playoff setting, Drai proves that he's the real engine of the team.
 

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You can have your opinion but it's wrong. McDavid has more gamebreaking talent, meaning that in the regular season, against all kinds of teams, good and bad, he can exploit them more. In a playoff setting, Drai proves that he's the real engine of the team.
You have no clue what you are talking about. You don't score 153 without driving the play non-stop over 82 games. You need to be more than just a "gamebreaker".
 
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You can have your opinion but it's wrong. McDavid has more gamebreaking talent, meaning that in the regular season, against all kinds of teams, good and bad, he can exploit them more. In a playoff setting, Drai proves that he's the real engine of the team.
Opinions are opinions, it’s not a good look to tell someone their opinion is wrong and yours is right. I agree that Draisaitl is a huge catalyst for the postseason and clearly ups his game when it counts but to suggest that he is the Oilers real offensive driver when for years people discredited him because they said he was only a product of McDavid. Do we so soon forget he wasn’t even a first invite to the All Star game?

I suspect the answer lies somewhere in between. Both Draisaitl and McDavid make each other better, not just when they are on the ice together but from an internal competitive stance. Drai really reminds me of Messier, he really has to up his game in order to come out of McDavids shadow.

But my ‘opinion’ is McDavid is the main catalyst to this teams offence. Having Draisaitl on this team is just so much gravy.
 
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You have no clue what you are talking about. You don't score 153 without driving the play non-stop over 82 games. You need to be more than just a "gamebreaker".

He’s never seen these players on a broadcast, let alone hyper focused on each live in person.

Add another body to the fire.
 

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He’s never seen these players on a broadcast, let alone hyper focused on each live in person.

Add another body to the fire.
In the early 90's after 142 and 163 point seasons the Oilers did almost the same against Gretzky that the Kings are doing to McDavid in this series, making sure there is a guy on him almost every shift. Tikkanen completely shut Gretzky down. The Oilers beat the King's in the playoffs 3 years in a row and I think Gretzky only had something like 22 points in 19 games in those 3 series against them. I wonder what posters would have said about him.
 
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In the early 90's after 142 and 163 point seasons the Oilers did almost the same against Gretzky that the Kings are doing to McDavid in this series, making sure there is a guy on him almost every shift. Tikkanen completely shut Gretzky down. The Oilers beat the King's in the playoffs 3 years in a row and I think Gretzky only had something like 22 points in 19 games in those 3 series against them. I wonder what posters would have said about hi
I actually am old enough to have followed thoose games. I`d remeber Gretzky saying Tikkanen was the most annoying player to play against. Oilers always put Tikkanen to annoy and hit the hell outta their opponent`s best players. And he sure was good at it. Might be one of the most underrated players all-time?
 
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As a Leafs, yes Marner has the points but he has been invisible for large portions of the series. I'd put him as the Leafs 4th most valuable player so far after 1) O'Reilly 2) Matthews 3) Rielly.

Overall my top 3 is:

1) Draisaitl
2) Hintz
3) Shesterkin
 

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1) Draisaitl
2) Hintz
3) Rielly

As a leafs fan, and a guy who likes marner (hence half of my name), I really don't think he has been our most impactful player. I get the point argument, but he got 3 assists in game 1, a game where I found him rather poor. ROR/Rielly have been critical in scoring and orchestrating critical goals. Matthews has been excellent on both sides of the rink. Marner has played well, but I think there isn't a clear argument of him over the other 3.
 

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You have no clue what you are talking about. You don't score 153 without driving the play non-stop over 82 games. You need to be more than just a "gamebreaker".
Are you dense? I just told you that in the regular season you play all sorts of teams compared to the playoffs. 153 over the course of a full season playing great teams and bad teams.

In the playoffs, there are no bad teams.

153 point McDavid is a ghost at ES against the Kings being matched up against Danault. 153 point McDavid was outscored at ES by other players...

McDavid vs non-playoff teams: 2.01 ppg
McDavid vs playoff teams: 1.65 ppg
 
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Are you dense? I just told you that in the regular season you play all sorts of teams compared to the playoffs. 153 over the course of a full season playing great teams and bad teams.

In the playoffs, there are no bad teams.

153 point McDavid is a ghost at ES against the Kings being matched up against Danault. 153 point McDavid was outscored at ES by other players...
Its like you don't understand small sample sizes. lol
 

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Its like you don't understand small sample sizes. lol
Why are you acting like Oilers fans wouldn't be parroting that McDavid is the GOAT if that small sample size was in his favour?

McDavid vs non-playoff teams: 2.01 ppg
McDavid vs playoff teams: 1.65 ppg

Lmao
 

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That's supposed to be a bad number?
Who said it was? Poster took issue with me saying McDavid's gamebreaking ability is more apparent in the regular season when there are bad teams and good. Those numbers prove that to be true. Goes from a 165 point pace vs bad teams to a 135 point pace vs playoff teams.
 

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Are you dense? I just told you that in the regular season you play all sorts of teams compared to the playoffs. 153 over the course of a full season playing great teams and bad teams.

In the playoffs, there are no bad teams.

153 point McDavid is a ghost at ES against the Kings being matched up against Danault. 153 point McDavid was outscored at ES by other players...

McDavid vs non-playoff teams: 2.01 ppg
McDavid vs playoff teams: 1.65 ppg
Doesn't your logic apply to Danault too though? First of all if the dude is being matched up against Danault and there is no Danault on any other team, using numbers in games vs Danault has no bearing on numbers against other playoff teams... Secondly, if Drai is matched against Danualt instead, do you think that his numbers would be as good and McDavids would not improve? If not, then your entire argument of Drai being the engine is useless.

We saw what happened last year when McDavid got Kopitar for most of the series. It wasn't good for the Kings.

57 mins 5v5, outscored Kopitar 7-2.
 

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Who said it was? Poster took issue with me saying McDavid's gamebreaking ability is more apparent in the regular season when there are bad teams and good. Those numbers prove that to be true. Goes from a 165 point pace vs bad teams to a 135 point pace vs playoff teams.
Yeah. That's consistent with pretty much every player who ever played.

The list of players with a higher ppg in playoffs over regular season in a large sample size is basically Claude Lemieux.
 

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I actually am old enough to have followed thoose games. I`d remeber Gretzky saying Tikkanen was the most annoying player to play against. Oilers always put Tikkanen to annoy and hit the hell outta their opponent`s best players. And he sure was good at it. Might be one of the most underrated players all-time?
Clutch in postseason too.
 

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Based on what I've seen, it's Draisaitl. But I haven't been able to watch much of Dallas and have seen what Hintz is doing on the scoresheet. Same with Toronto/Tampa. I spent the weekend in Nashville and missed some action.

But Draisaitl is a f***ing menace out there.

At one point last night, he just missed the corner of the net after playing the NHL equivalent of iso ball with a defender. It was insane. Dude is locked in.
 

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You can have your opinion but it's wrong. McDavid has more gamebreaking talent, meaning that in the regular season, against all kinds of teams, good and bad, he can exploit them more. In a playoff setting, Drai proves that he's the real engine of the team.
It could just be that Drai>McDavid against a 1-3-1 zero forecheck team. It's a slog on a player like McDavid and he'll light up any team that doesn't do it.
 

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Marner
Hintz
Draisaitl
Bouchard

Why are you acting like Oilers fans wouldn't be parroting that McDavid is the GOAT if that small sample size was in his favour?

McDavid vs non-playoff teams: 2.01 ppg
McDavid vs playoff teams: 1.65 ppg

Lmao
when is a 140 point pace a lmao against playoff teams
 

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Has anybody every won it on the losing end in the SCF (or the losing end of the conference finals) ?
 
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