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The coaching short strokes...Gallant or Tocchet?

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The coaching short strokes...Who do you want?

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This Canada team at the Worlds is a bit like the (very) poor man's Vegas.
Hence Gallant is relatively successful there.
Not sure it's what this franchise needs tho.
 
I hope if it’s down to these 2 it’s gallant. I don’t care. I just want any coach whose going to come in, get the most out of our guys. Rid any kind of country club attitude that we have in the locker room and play the freaking kids. Play them a lot and in all situations. If he does those 3 things I don’t know how any true ranger fan will argue that he’s a bad choice. And FFS, practice face offs or hire a special coach/ consultant to work with our centers. It’s am important aspect of the game that’s been overlooked for far too long now.

It’s time to get a more blue collar attitude/style back in the garden. The Roster as it sits now, has most of its long term components it will have for years. Does it need tweaking? Yes. But id say the roster is 85% a finished product. It’s now about filling in the rest, and getting the kids more experience
 
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SA16 said:
His coaching record is mediocre. He took over two terrible teams. The rosters were bad. TB came in last place the year before he took over. Arizona had a 70 point year. The leading scorer on ARI the year before he took over, that remained on the team his first year, was OEL with 39 points. Tampa had good players in Lecavalier and MSL yet their team didn't produce before him either.

I would say Chychrun and Garland have developed nicely before him. Keller played 3 games before he got there and then had a 65 point year in his first season under Tocchet. OEL was always overrated because he had a couple of big goal scoring years. His only real great years were 12-13 and 15-16. It's not like they have a wealth of talent. Christian Dvorak is fine. Schmaltz is just as he was in Chicago.

I am not advocating for/against Tocchet. As I've repeatedly said I don't really think the decision is that critical nor do I believe most people actually know what they're talking about with regarding the coaching search. A lot of these criticims are just completely unfounded though.
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My issue is that the team is not better and while Chychrun may become a very good DMan, he's not anywhere close to the top 20 in the league.

Garland is a nice story but he's at best a Callahan or Gallagher type.

My point is it's not good enough when the Rangers have a much better and more talented core.

Tocchett would have fine for like the 2008-09 or early Torts Era Rangers. Not this bunch.
 
Roo Returns said:
My issue is that the team is not better and while Chychrun may become a very good DMan, he's not anywhere close to the top 20 in the league.

Garland is a nice story but he's at best a Callahan or Gallagher type.

My point is it's not good enough when the Rangers have a much better and more talented core.

Tocchett would have fine for like the 2008-09 or early Torts Era Rangers. Not this bunch.
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Agree with your analysis on Tocchet but don’t sell Chychrun short. He’s a top ten defenseman, maybe even top six
 
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bobbop said:
Agree with your analysis on Tocchet but don’t sell Chychrun short. He’s a top ten defenseman, maybe even top six
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In the entire league? I'm writing this post on the fly but I'd put Hedman, McAvoy, Fox, 2-3 Carolina guys, Makar already ahead of him.
 
bobbop said:
You need to watch Chychrun more. He’s easily in Slavin/Pesce class.
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I will. To be fair I remember him as being pretty good. This season I did not watch much Arizona (work, they were a universe away in their division, and the Rangers off ice was a gong show which kept us twice as busy).

I will say with DMen we all have very different opinions on this board. I was on the "Trouba is overrated" in 2019 and I got blasted for it.

I also am still a huge K. Miller fan and don't subscribe to the "bro he's sawft. Six foot five and he dusn't uze da body enuff". I think he did great for year one and the last ten games were not his fault when he was a co #1 DMan by necessity.
 
Roo Returns said:
My issue is that the team is not better and while Chychrun may become a very good DMan, he's not anywhere close to the top 20 in the league.

Garland is a nice story but he's at best a Callahan or Gallagher type.

My point is it's not good enough when the Rangers have a much better and more talented core.

Tocchett would have fine for like the 2008-09 or early Torts Era Rangers. Not this bunch.
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How is that the coach's fault thought? Hayton hasn't produced there, as a top prospect, but he also didn't produce in the AHL either.
 
jay from jersey said:
I hope if it’s down to these 2 it’s gallant. I don’t care. I just want any coach whose going to come in, get the most out of our guys. Rid any kind of country club attitude that we have in the locker room and play the freaking kids. Play them a lot and in all situations. If he does those 3 things I don’t know how any true ranger fan will argue that he’s a bad choice. And FFS, practice face offs or hire a special coach/ consultant to work with our centers. It’s am important aspect of the game that’s been overlooked for far too long now.

It’s time to get a more blue collar attitude/style back in the garden. The Roster as it sits now, has most of its long term components it will have for years. Does it need tweaking? Yes. But id say the roster is 85% a finished product. It’s now about filling in the rest, and getting the kids more experience
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Let's not kid ourselves.

Tocchet ran a major country club in AZ, which was a frequent complaint by Yotes fans. Tocc likes his veteran players that can execute his system, if they do he leaves them alone. He doesn't really know how to develop kids, which means he doesn't even care to try, which was another frequent complaint by Yotes fans. Maybe he didn't care to develop kids because his team had the mandate to make the playoffs at all costs, just like the Rangers now, but that doesn't exactly make him a good fit for this Ranger team (unless the Rangers plan to bring the hatchet to the roster in grand style).

Basically he is the anti-Brind'Amour. His one trick is that he knows the Penguins system that brought them two cups. If he wasn't a hockey icon he would never even be in the running based on his losing record. He is marginally better on structure than Quinn, by virtue of knowing the NHL game from ice level and personal experience, but that's about it. Nothing in his record speaks of any particular coaching talent or brilliance.
 
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I would say Chychrun and Garland have developed nicely before him. Keller played 3 games before he got there and then had a 65 point year in his first season under Tocchet.
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Chychrun had immense raw talent from day 1 and just needed to be healthy. Tocchet has nothing to do with it. He actively tried to bury Garland even though Garland was one of the most productive players in the league in terms of G/60, despite playing with complete trash for linemates. Keller has regressed every year under Tocchet's 'coaching'.

I would not wish this coach on anyone. He's a famous name propped up by the OBC. If you look at the details, he's a total moron when it comes to being a head coach. Tocchet is possibly a great assistant, so long as he doesn't have any actual tactical duties, but that's it.

Rick Tocchet is exactly what you get when a beloved player just immediately hops behind the bench to be an assistant and never puts in the time in the minors. Worst of all, he did not improve on any of his flaws over the years. He has never been a successful HC at any level. He's not noted for his tactical acumen or being a special teams assistant (he had those duties taken away in Pittsburgh).

Gallant is an actual coach. Tocchet is a name brand cheerleader who got the job because he was heavily prepped by Sullivan and duped a young GM (Chayka), while also appealing to the owner at the time who was a longtime Flyers fan.
 
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Seeing the Islanders' system and how good of a coach Barry Trotz...we need to hire Gallant. We can't f*** around and we can't afford to roll the dice on Tocchet or anyone else. It needs to be a proven coach with recent success like Gallant...assuming Rod the Bod or Quenneville don't shake loose.
 
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Seeing the Islanders' system and how good of a coach Barry Trotz...we need to hire Gallant. We can't f*** around and we can't afford to roll the dice on Tocchet or anyone else. It needs to be a proven coach with recent success like Gallant...assuming Rod the Bod doesn't shake loose.
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Gallant should be the guy based on the names we know are options.
 
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Chychrun had immense raw talent from day 1 and just needed to be healthy. Tocchet has nothing to do with it. He actively tried to bury Garland even though Garland was one of the most productive players in the league in terms of G/60, despite playing with complete trash for linemates. Keller has regressed every year under Tocchet's 'coaching'.

I would not wish this coach on anyone. He's a famous name propped up by the OBC. If you look at the details, he's a total moron when it comes to being a head coach. Tocchet is possibly a great assistant, so long as he doesn't have any actual tactical duties, but that's it.

Rick Tocchet is exactly what you get when a beloved player just immediately hops behind the bench to be an assistant and never puts in the time in the minors. Worst of all, he did not improve on any of his flaws over the years. He has never been a successful HC at any level. He's not noted for his tactical acumen or being a special teams assistant (he had those duties taken away in Pittsburgh).

Gallant is an actual coach. Tocchet is a name brand cheerleader who got the job because he was heavily prepped by Sullivan and duped a young GM (Chayka), while also appealing to the owner at the time who was a longtime Flyers fan.
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Tocchet was hired in Arizona by the then owner Andrew Barroway. Barroway was a big Flyer fan and a Philadelphia guy who loved Tocchet as a player. That was his biggest qualification. Several years ago, Barroway literally told me this word for word.

That said, he was OK, not great by any means in Arizona. As I have constantly said, the Rangers can do better.
 
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It is somewhat amazing that there is no coaching candidate with a better rep/resume than Gallant (although I guess Hartley is out there).

Can we wait until the playoffs are over and talk to whoever coaches the D in Colorado? With all the puck moving D we have accumulated, it would be nice to utilize them to their strengths.
 
XX said:
Chychrun had immense raw talent from day 1 and just needed to be healthy. Tocchet has nothing to do with it. He actively tried to bury Garland even though Garland was one of the most productive players in the league in terms of G/60, despite playing with complete trash for linemates. Keller has regressed every year under Tocchet's 'coaching'.

I would not wish this coach on anyone. He's a famous name propped up by the OBC. If you look at the details, he's a total moron when it comes to being a head coach. Tocchet is possibly a great assistant, so long as he doesn't have any actual tactical duties, but that's it.

Rick Tocchet is exactly what you get when a beloved player just immediately hops behind the bench to be an assistant and never puts in the time in the minors. Worst of all, he did not improve on any of his flaws over the years. He has never been a successful HC at any level. He's not noted for his tactical acumen or being a special teams assistant (he had those duties taken away in Pittsburgh).

Gallant is an actual coach. Tocchet is a name brand cheerleader who got the job because he was heavily prepped by Sullivan and duped a young GM (Chayka), while also appealing to the owner at the time who was a longtime Flyers fan.
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So it's the usual thing then when the good players were always good but the bad players were his fault.

Heard the exact same story here about Fox, Buchnevich, Andersson etc.
 
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