Value of: The case for trading Auston Matthews

[PromisedLand]

I'd disagree.
Elite players lead teams in the playoffs when it matters most.
From what I've seen so far, Matthews has done little when playoffs start.
Alot of Leaf fans are saying Matthews and Marner cannot be called elite until they don't pull a disappearing act in the playoffs.
Of course, there still are many Leaf fans drinking the koolaid like yourself who believe Matthews is the real deal.

You need to make the playoffs before you can play in the playoffs. Players like Matthews are required to make the playoffs -> "goal scorers"

Matthews is ELITE when it comes to goal scoring. There is no stat that can prove otherwise when it comes to Matthews' goal produciton in regular season so that the team can make the playoffs.

Matthews will produce in the playoffs as soon as he gets someone that works as hard as he does in the o-zone to retreive the puck I have no doubt in my mind. You can yell from the rooftops and it wouldnt change my opinion

 

[Stephen]

The capspace that you get from dumping Marner is more valuable than the return you will get from trading Matthews.

Players like Matthews are very rare in the NHL. You can't find such players in every draft or every 2nd draft for that matter. Matthews' goal production rate is 2nd only to Ovi; Ovi is a generational goal scorer. That means Matthews is elite. You don't trade elite players.

IMO, a Matthews trade scenario is really a just a classic kick 'em while they're down, false dilemma presented as rational asset management.

The team we have if we traded Marner for X and spent his cap space on Y and built around Matthews is going to be stronger than the team we have if we trade Matthews and build around Marner.

But if the Leafs ever went nuclear on this core group because things don't get on track for them in terms of maturing as a true contender, I'd probably just trade all of them and have a pretty quick rebuild.

 

[PromisedLand]

IMO, a Matthews trade scenario is really a just a classic kick 'em while they're down, false dilemma presented as rational asset management.

The team we have if we traded Marner for X and spent his cap space on Y and built around Matthews is going to be stronger than the team we have if we trade Matthews and build around Marner.

But if the Leafs ever went nuclear on this core group because things don't get on track for them in terms of maturing as a true contender, I'd probably just trade all of them and have a pretty quick rebuild.

Yup pretty much what I think. They gotta dump Marner and build around Matthews or do a complete rebuild. They just gotta get Matthews to agree to an extension before the last year of his current contract begins.

 

[Stephen]

Yup pretty much what I think. They gotta dump Marner and build around Matthews or do a complete rebuild. They just gotta get Matthews to agree to an extension before the last year of his current contract begins.

Yes, exactly. Also, the middle of the roster needs a little work, so money might come loose at the Muzzin, Holl, Kerfoot, Ritchie, Mrazek before you even get to work on the Big 4.

The idea of cutting off the head is fine for shock value and everything, but from a demolition POV, moving Matthews ahead of Marner wouldn't be the way, IMO.

 

[PromisedLand]

Yes, exactly. Also, the middle of the roster needs a little work, so money might come loose at the Muzzin, Holl, Kerfoot, Ritchie, Mrazek before you even get to work on the Big 4.

The idea of cutting off the head is fine for shock value and everything, but from a demolition POV, moving Matthews ahead of Marner wouldn't be the way, IMO.

I'd add Mikheyev to that list too. I don't think he is coming back after the season that is an additional approx. 1.6 million. Ritchie at 2.5 is terrible hopefully someone bites on him

 

[BrannigansLaw]

One of the most pointless threads on this board.

Trading Matthews is a non-starter unless he wants out. Even if the Leafs bottomed out again it would take an extreme amount of luck to find a player of his caliber again. Look at the 1st overall picks since 2016. Not one of them is even close to the level of player Matthews is.

We can trade anyone else but we aren’t trading him.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

I dont even know how you make a trade for Matthews or what people offer.


How about you send him home and embrace a retool for the leafs. Thus is all about freeing cap to sign players and nothing to do with quality active players coming back.

To Coyotes: Matthews
To Tirana: Barret Hayton + all three 2022 1st rounders they have.

Toronto then has 4 first rounders and a boat load of cap space.

Two great shots at Wright as of today's standings

The most HF post I’ve seen in awhile. Trade a young franchise center for a bunch of 1st round picks.

 

[Iwishihadaspacebar]

To make it easy:

Do you have a player as good as Matthews?

If yes, it'll take them.
If no, it'll likely take your 2 best players.

Of all the players on their roster, he is the only one that is truly untouchable.

 

[Geardedandbearded]

Matthews is obviously a foundational piece. Everything equal, you build around him. Except it’s not equal. Who will take marner or Tavares? Look at their cap hits not them as players first. Then look at their level of play. Neither is going to have a demand from other teams. Matthews is the only one that another team will completely rebuild their salary structure for. This isn’t even getting into the fact that Matthews may leave. This may be rich coming from an oilers fan but his departure is on the wall IMO. Matthews is the only one it makes sense to trade if a retool is the goal IMO.

 

[Space Coyote]

Matthews is obviously a foundational piece. Everything equal, you build around him. Except it’s not equal. Who will take marner or Tavares? Look at their cap hits not them as players first. Then look at their level of play. Neither is going to have a demand from other teams. Matthews is the only one that another team will completely rebuild their salary structure for. This isn’t even getting into the fact that Matthews may leave. This may be rich coming from an oilers fan but his departure is on the wall IMO. Matthews is the only one it makes sense to trade if a retool is the goal IMO.

Any player can leave as a FA. Some players may also ask for trade. If the Oilers fail to progress in the playoffs again I wouldn't be surprised if McDavid asked to be moved.

 

[LordZapp]

Probably wise to trade him before you lose him for nothing. That five year contract is yikes.

 

[Space Coyote]

Probably wise to trade him before you lose him for nothing. That five year contract is yikes.

Didn't your captain singed the same five year contract? Trolled the Leafs for an entire year and resigned with Tampa for the next 8 years?

 

[LordZapp]

Didn't your captain singed the same five year contract? Trolled the Leafs for an entire year and resigned with Tampa for the next 8 years?

Yes, but it wasn't for 11m on a team that isn't doing any winning.

 

[ER89]

No.

 

[7even]

It's like they say, if you're giving up the best player in the trade, you're winning the trade.

 

[TheNumber4]

Leafs would be smart to trade him before everyone realizes he's lost his scoring touch after the wrist surgery. Has he SNIPED one goal since coming back yet?

 

[Mr Papagoergyo]

They need to figure out if he wants to stay in Toronto?
Other then that dont trade AM34.

Trade Marner: he cant drive a line on his own.
Doesnt have the body for playoffs.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Leafs would be smart to trade him before everyone realizes he's lost his scoring touch after the wrist surgery. Has he SNIPED one goal since coming back yet?

Yes, he has.

 

[TheNumber4]

Yes, he has.

1 goal on a wrap around, no? That doesn’t count. Still no snipes.

 

[Leaf Fans]

1 goal on a wrap around, no? That doesn’t count. Still no snipes.

Oh. You dont count that as a snipe.

 

[TheNumber4]

Oh. You dont count that as a snipe.

Does anyone?

 

[Leaf Fans]

Does anyone?

Of course. I am one of them.

 

[TheNumber4]

Of course. I am one of them.

Lol k well you keep enjoying your sniped wrap arounds. I don’t think there’s anyone else that’ll join you on that definition.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Lol k well you keep enjoying your sniped wrap arounds. I don’t think there’s anyone else that’ll join you on that definition.

So far only one person disagrees with my definition. I will enjoy the wrap arounds and any other goals as well. Thanks.

 

[TheNumber4]

So far only one person disagrees with my definition. I will enjoy the wrap arounds and any other goals as well. Thanks.

Next time a wrap around goes in tell everyone in the GDT “what a snipe that was” and see how it goes lol