Value of: The case for trading Auston Matthews

[bennylundholm]

You would not get near the haul for Marner as your would for Matthews.
If I were the Leafs, I would deal Matthews if you could pick up 2-3 quality players.
I'd even semi-blow it up by dealing away Matthews and a handful of players other than Marner and Nylander.

 

[Puckstuff]

I'd move him if the return made sense. Problem is Dubas botched the contract and with only 3 years left at a ridiculously high number his value is about half if say he had 5 years left at 9.5-10. Enormous difference.

 

[Puckstuff]

The biggest benefit to trading Matthews and Marner is that with the state of the team after big moves like that, Tavares would have to get real serious about waiving his NMC. With Tavares only owed 16.8 million over the last 3 years (5.6 million a year) he's a very valuable piece to a low cap team like Ottawa. They made need to force him out though so we'll need to fire Dubas and bring in an A type personality.

- Trade Matthews to Dallas for Hintz+Hakanpaa, 1st or to a different team with cap. With only 3 years left at a high number, getting max value in a trade for Matthews will be near impossible. What we're really trading for his cap space. Thanks dubas.

Trade Marner for Eichel.

Trade Tavares to Ottawa for Connor Brown. Toronto picks up the 7 million dollar signing bonus July 1.
Let Rielly go. - edit - just read the bad news.

Eichel, Nylander, Hintz, Robertson, Brodie, Muzzin, Holl, Liliegren, Sandin + 25 million in cap space. With that 25 million we're going to be able to go after the next Coleman, Hyman, McCaan type players through trade and free agency. Hertl and Forsberg are good targets.

The thing about being so bad, is I'm not sure how much we have to lose. This will become more evident over time and the longer we wait to make these trades the less valuable our core pieces become. The quicker people (and more important management) come to the truth about the situation the faster we can capitulate and move on.

 

[bernmeister]

Eichel and Power for Matthews

Eichel is damaged goods, that shortchanges Leafs.

Matthews to Buf is not good for Sabes b'c bottom line is he is likely to go to AZ after 3 seasons and you are handcuffed after 2.
If it were not for that, you could make a deal either w/Eich as is or assuming he is valued higher --- which I would not do as the trading partner without some concession to do so.

 

[Voodoo Child]

Number one centers - elite number one centers, are the hardest players to find.

And you sure as hell don't trade them because 'the 3rd and 4th lines are weak!'

You trade Marner, what does that look like?

Not a cent of retention...again, this is a 90 point player who's 24 years old. He's overpaid...by like 1.5, or about a replacement level player.

An okay player preferably a Dman, with a bad contract, 5-6/4 or less years.
A depth player making 1.5-2.5.
Your best prospect/your best young player
1st

I personally would have traded him as soon as his idiot father started shooting his mouth off during the contract talks.

 

[bernmeister]

Number one centers - elite number one centers, are the hardest players to find.

And you sure as hell don't trade them because 'the 3rd and 4th lines are weak!'

You trade Marner, what does that look like?

Not a cent of retention...again, this is a 90 point player who's 24 years old. He's overpaid...by like 1.5, or about a replacement level player.

An okay player preferably a Dman, with a bad contract, 5-6/4 or less years.
A depth player making 1.5-2.5.
Your best prospect/your best young player
1st

I personally would have traded him as soon as his idiot father started shooting his mouth off during the contract talks.

The only prob with this is you ignore the reality that this is not just a big hit of cap, it is structural cap, which you cannot divide among 2-3 players.

This means by definition your trading partner has to absorb that salary full pop
OR
you have to retain
OR
you have to take a bad contract back.

That is math and it does not lie.

 

[sittler rules!!!]

Trade their best player by far so they can give a hefty raise to a defenseman who doesn't defend. Brilliant plan.

That is not what he said at all.

 

[sittler rules!!!]

For those saying trade Marner instead - I addressed why it doesn't make sense. I'd like to hear a realistic trade that actually makes the Leafs better regarding a Marner trade. I have yet to hear one honestly.

There is no such trade. To move the Marner contract, you will have to take a lesser player.

 

[sittler rules!!!]

Eichel

LOL

 

[boredmale]

I think we finally solved this mystery



The answer is the guy who wrote the OP after he drank it all

 

[HockeyVirus]

This site just prays for Matthews to leave the Leafs so they can finally admit how good he is and openly cheer for him.

 

[He Is Knocking]

Matthews is not the type of player you get rid of and get better.

 

[waitin425]

I dont even know how you make a trade for Matthews or what people offer.


How about you send him home and embrace a retool for the leafs. Thus is all about freeing cap to sign players and nothing to do with quality active players coming back.

To Coyotes: Matthews
To Tirana: Barret Hayton + all three 2022 1st rounders they have.

Toronto then has 4 first rounders and a boat load of cap space.

Two great shots at Wright as of today's standings

 

[PromisedLand]

You would not get near the haul for Marner as your would for Matthews.
If I were the Leafs, I would deal Matthews if you could pick up 2-3 quality players.
I'd even semi-blow it up by dealing away Matthews and a handful of players other than Marner and Nylander.

Matthews is a franchise player, Marner is not. trading Marner gives Leafs the capspace as long as they don't F it up again by doing moronic deals

 

[bennylundholm]

Matthews is a franchise player, Marner is not. trading Marner gives Leafs the capspace as long as they don't F it up again by doing moronic deals

Except you ain't getting alot for Marner.
A much bigger return for Matthews to fill all the holes.

 

[PromisedLand]

Except you ain't getting alot for Marner.
A much bigger return for Matthews to fill all the holes.

The capspace that you get from dumping Marner is more valuable than the return you will get from trading Matthews.

Players like Matthews are very rare in the NHL. You can't find such players in every draft or every 2nd draft for that matter. Matthews' goal production rate is 2nd only to Ovi; Ovi is a generational goal scorer. That means Matthews is elite. You don't trade elite players.

 

[bennylundholm]

The capspace that you get from dumping Marner is more valuable than the return you will get from trading Matthews.

Players like Matthews are very rare in the NHL. You can't find such players in every draft or every 2nd draft for that matter. Matthews' goal production rate is 2nd only to Ovi; Ovi is a generational goal scorer. That means Matthews is elite. You don't trade elite players.

Except he has been very ordinary in the playoffs.
1 goal in 7 games last year.
2 goals in 5 games the year before.
A disappearing act when the going gets tough.

 

[PromisedLand]

Except he has been very ordinary in the playoffs.
1 goal in 7 games last year.
2 goals in 5 games the year before.
A disappearing act when the going gets tough.

His linemate was Marner; if he has a linemate that knows how to get the puck and plays heavy that would not be the case. Matthews played heavy in the playoffs. I watched teh series the "fancy" stats wouldn't tell you that.

 

[bennylundholm]

His linemate was Marner; if he has a linemate that knows how to get the puck and plays heavy that would not be the case. Matthews played heavy in the playoffs. I watched teh series the "fancy" stats wouldn't tell you that.

Possibly. Or, maybe after each excuse has been given, he is not a money player.

 

[Space Coyote]

You would not get near the haul for Marner as your would for Matthews.
If I were the Leafs, I would deal Matthews if you could pick up 2-3 quality players.
I'd even semi-blow it up by dealing away Matthews and a handful of players other than Marner and Nylander.

Who are these 2-3 quality players?

 

[PromisedLand]

Possibly. Or, maybe after each excuse has been given, he is not a money player.

Would you trade Ehlers/Connor for Matthews? of course you would I wouldn't; I would LMAO and hang up the phone.

Would you trade Ehlers/Connor for Marner? yea..... this is something I would do easily not sure Jets would do that.

Entire Jets line up was schooled by montreal should the jets shoot everyone to the moon? of course not you identify the pieces you have to hold.

Leafs will always hold Matthews, Marner is a disposable piece .

 

[bennylundholm]

Who are these 2-3 quality players?

Any decent players would do. Alot of holes on the Leafs currently being filled with bargain basement players.

 

[bennylundholm]

Would you trade Ehlers/Connor for Matthews? of course you would I wouldn't; I would LMAO and hang up the phone.

Would you trade Ehlers/Connor for Marner? yea..... this is something I would do easily not sure Jets would do that.

Entire Jets line up was schooled by montreal should the jets shoot everyone to the moon? of course not you identify the pieces you have to hold.

Leafs will always hold Matthews, Marner is a disposable piece .

Both contracts are terrible. The difference is the Jets are paying less than 8 for each while Toronto paying over 11. Result: not enough money to add quality players.

 

[PromisedLand]

Both contracts are terrible. The difference is the Jets are paying less than 8 for each while Toronto paying over 11. Result: not enough money to add quality players.

Thats why Marner will have to go.

Matthews is an ELITE center with potential to being a generational goal scorer. You don't trade elite players like Matthews away no matter what.

I wouldn't trade Matthews for both together Ehlers+Connor you can add Sheifele to that and I still would say no LOL i.e. your 2 to 3 "quality players"

 

[bennylundholm]

Thats why Marner will have to go.

Matthews is an ELITE center with potential to being a generational goal scorer. You don't trade elite players like Matthews away no matter what.

I wouldn't trade Matthews for both together Ehlers+Connor you can add Sheifele to that and I still would say no LOL i.e. your 2 to 3 "quality players"

I'd disagree.
Elite players lead teams in the playoffs when it matters most.
From what I've seen so far, Matthews has done little when playoffs start.
Alot of Leaf fans are saying Matthews and Marner cannot be called elite until they don't pull a disappearing act in the playoffs.
Of course, there still are many Leaf fans drinking the koolaid like yourself who believe Matthews is the real deal.