Value of: The case for trading Auston Matthews

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There's not much case, you'll never get FV for the guy. Unless he specifically goes to the GM in the last year and says he isnl taking his show on the road at the end of his contract, you just do what you can to re-sign him. I dont really see many realistic winning trades for a top 5-10 player.
 
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Lol, so one bad playoffs is a one dimensional player now? Hard to take seriously.
Let's be honest, Matthews has never been great in the playoffs. In 32 playoff games he's scored 24 points and is a -3. Only once, out of five playoff appearances, has Matthews scored a point-per-game (6 points in 5 games). He's also scored a total of 13 goals in 32 playoff games which equals 33 goals over a full 82 game season.

In addition to his disappointing numbers in the playoffs, we've seen Matthew drop his intensity, hustle, and hunger to win. Quite frankly, he's come across as someone who doesn't hate losing and he sure hasn't shown "another gear" come playoff time.

At this point, Matthews could score 60-65 goals during the regular season and if he underwhelms in the playoffs, he needs to be criticized for that. Comes with the close to $12 mil a year salary.
 
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TOGuy14

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Case for not trading for him.
He be going to the desert in 2 yrs when he becomes an UFA. No other team will give up much for 2 yrs of Matthews.
Why would Arizona offer up anything when they know he'll be coming home no charge.
It is funny because it would cost Arizona so much to sign Matthews that the franchise would probably fold on the first bonus payout and get moved to Quebec
 
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one2gamble

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Let's be honest, Matthews has never been great in the playoffs. In 32 playoff games he's scored 24 points and is a -3. Only once, out of five playoff appearances, has Matthews scored a point-per-game (6 points in 5 games). He's also scored a total of 13 goals in 32 playoff games which equals 33 goals over a full 82 game season.

In addition to his disappointing numbers in the playoffs, we've seen Matthew drop his intensity, hustle, and hunger to win. Quite frankly, he's come across as someone who doesn't hate losing and he sure hasn't shown "another gear" come playoff time.

At this point, Matthews could score 60-65 goals during the regular season and if he underwhelms in the playoffs, he needs to be criticized for that. Comes with the close to $12 mil a year salary.
Sounds like he fits right in with San Jose
 

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Let's be honest, Matthews has never been great in the playoffs. In 32 playoff games he's scored 24 points and is a -3. Only once, out of five playoff appearances, has Matthews scored a point-per-game (6 points in 5 games). He's also scored a total of 13 goals in 32 playoff games which equals 33 goals over a full 82 game season.

In addition to his disappointing numbers in the playoffs, we've seen Matthew drop his intensity, hustle, and hunger to win. Quite frankly, he's come across as someone who doesn't hate losing and he sure hasn't shown "another gear" come playoff time.

At this point, Matthews could score 60-65 goals during the regular season and if he underwhelms in the playoffs, he needs to be criticized for that. Comes with the close to $12 mil a year salary.

Hey "Mr. I'm a leafs fan that watches every single leafs game since the 70s and lives in Philly". Still waiting on some analysis from you ? So far nothing in regards to how they games were actually played out and zero analysis of any of Matthews plays over those games. Waiting to hear you describe or break down a single play from any of those games over the last 2 weeks. But then again I know you didn't actually watch any of them.

I'm sure you watched the 3-0 shutout in Philly last night though where Matthews set up 2 goals, any analysis on his game from that night ? Or you just gonna keep talking random stuff with no references to the points you're making ? A whole lot of talking and zero analysis/references from actual games to substantiate your claims.
 

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Only way I trade Matthews is if the Leafs go full rebuild mode and he shows no interest in re signing. With Wright possibly landing in Arizona, that might be a good place to start (with adds of course).
 

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Lol, so one bad playoffs is a one dimensional player now? Hard to take seriously.

Just like that soft weak one dimensional winger we had, I forget his name..used to wear #81 ? Helped his team win back to back cups and probably should've won a Conn Smythe as well ?
 

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Hey "Mr. I'm a leafs fan that watches every single leafs game since the 70s and lives in Philly". Still waiting on some analysis from you ? So far nothing in regards to how they games were actually played out and zero analysis of any of Matthews plays over those games. Waiting to hear you describe or break down a single play from any of those games over the last 2 weeks. But then again I know you didn't actually watch any of them.

I'm sure you watched the 3-0 shutout in Philly last night though where Matthews set up 2 goals, any analysis on his game from that night ? Or you just gonna keep talking random stuff with no references to the points you're making ? A whole lot of talking and zero analysis/references from actual games to substantiate your claims.
What in the world are you rambling about? I watch every Leafs game, I just absolutely disagree with your assessment and expectations of Auston Matthews, who mind you, is still currently my favorite player in the league.

Over the last week or so the Leafs have absolutely played better overall. Matthews has also played better, and his OT winner the other night was a thing of beauty. That said, I am still no where near impressed by his play and I expect more. The one thing I still don't see on a consistent basis is the ferocious puck-hounding and passion that he had his first two years in the league. To me, that is just as important as him scoring goals.

If we are going to compare Matthews to elite players like McDavid, Draisaitl, etc. he needs to show continued progress of offensive dominance and levels of elevation in his game. The only level we've seen him just was in the goal scoring department, last season. His shift-by-shift intensity is nothing like McDavid (or even early-Matthews) and I still don't see the burning desire in him that I once saw. That's my opinion and I am steadfast in it.

As for the regular season, I think as Leafs fans we are beyond that point now. We need to see results in the playoffs and this team take the next step. What scares me is still seeing the "lack of desire" with these guys, Matthews included. It's as if they still haven't realized they can't just win on talent alone. Because, come playoffs, they cannot... and they've proven that.
 

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Case for not trading for him.
He be going to the desert in 2 yrs when he becomes an UFA. No other team will give up much for 2 yrs of Matthews.
Why would Arizona offer up anything when they know he'll be coming home no charge.
Well first off. Seeing as how you know the future could you get me this weeks lotto numbers. And second. Do you see what teams give up for rentals. Some teams give up quite a bit. Matthews has 2 and half years left on his deal not to mention he’s the best scorer in the league. But I’m sure he won’t get much in return. :sarcasm:
 

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The other issue with the Matthews and Marner contracts were term. Only 2 out of the top 20 cap hit contracts are not for 7 or 8 years.....Matthews and Marner. So the Leafs gave them the high money AND caved in term too.

Disagree here.
Most of the contracts signed for 7/8 years in the top 20 are UFAs and will likely age poorly, I consider that caving to term too.

Cap % is also the only way to compare this accurately across different caps. Their contracts start to look a lot better in that context.
 

TheGroceryStick

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No case for trading him

If he walks , he walks ; not something to worry about now

If ,at the end of his contract, we haven't won anything....maybe we need a new direction too. If he's won it here, great... go where you wish (or stay here, ride off into the sunset as a Leaf great)

We want him here; and no need to worry recouping in the event he decides to walk.
 

Sweetpotato

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There isn't a case. Unless you get a brain dead return that fixes all the leafs problems in one you don't move him till he tells you he wants out of isn't re-signing.
 

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