Value of: The case for trading Auston Matthews

Mackiaveli

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I feel like ducks kings vegas and arizona all make a little sense.

Kings for obvious reasons, and kings are more likely to be able to facilitate a trade and resign him without him going to free agency.
Anaheim should be trending up at that point, would also give them an American 1-2 punch in matthews + zegras, not to mention zegras is pretty similar stylistically to marner.... so matthews has his play maker on the PP. Should have plenty of money at that point.
Arizona, home town team... should have a good crop of young players and adding a superstar in matthews and local boy would b great for marketing.

Vegas and san jose would be the dark horses for me... Vegas might still be looking for that top line center to take them to the next lvl... and san jose always seems to jump in at the oppertunity to pick up a big name player.

Matthews has 3 full years left - 3 years ago, the Predators, Jets, Wild, Ducks, Sharks and Kings had 117, 114, 101, 101, 100 and 98 points, respectively.

In three years, the NHL will look completely different but in a probably unpredictable way. Ottawa, Buffalo, Montreal and Detroit were all bottom feeders and still are, and those aforementioned teams were all great and are now all lottery teams (with the exception of Winnipeg who have still done little to nothing in the postseason)

if Matthews goes to free agency, he is going to pick somewhere that fits his priorities. Arizona is a place that makes a lot of sense for lifestyle, being close to home and for getting a big payday, but with them being relocated as an always looming threat, or maybe his aspirations to be a Stanley Cup champion one day, even Arizona isn't a surefire. What if Matthews goes there and they get shipped off to Quebec? What if they get Wright and Bedard somehow and don't want to spend 12+ million on Matthews?

LA makes sense if he wants to be in LA - but Doughty and Kopitar would be the first people to tell you that nobody cares about hockey in California. A huge reason Danault as an example wanted to sign there is because nobody really bothers hockey players - it's also the reason Toffoli wanted to sign in Montreal, because he said he wanted to be in a hockey market instead of walking down the street and nobody recognizes you. If Matthews wants to be a celebrity, Toronto is one of the best fits for him - NYR, Montreal, Toronto, Chicago are probably the four best markets to play in if you want to be in the spotlight.

I think the 5 year deal was smart as it gives him flexibility if things aren't going well. Generally speaking, I think trading Matthews is a fantastic idea but only to alleviate the top-heaviness of the team. I would keep Marner because you know he will remain loyal to the team as a hometown kid and he is an elite playmaker, you keep Nylander because he's the best bang for your buck and flourishing into an elite player, and you keep Moe and make him your next captain. Tavares can be a great transitional 1C if you can't move his contract, but in an ideal world the Leafs would dump both to open up 22m in cap.

Imagine something like Matthews for Lafreniere, Miller, Chytil and a 1st - you fill a few holes and can probably maintain all three of those contracts for the price of one. Eat 2m of JT's $ and move him to Chicago for Strome and A.Nylander + a pick - suddenly the room changes, you have a ton of new faces and talent, and your cap is WAY more manageable.
 
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You gave your opinion on why you think it doesn't make sense, but that does not make it factual. It's your opinion. It sounds like you're basically saying to trade Matthews because he would return more, which he surely would. However, along the same lines of thinking, he is also much harder to replace. So get more back in a deal to fill a bigger hole.

A Marner trade is difficult to evaluate in a vacuum because it would likely be connected to one or more separate moves - trades, signings, whatever. I've seen some interesting ideas thrown around (e.g., the Eichel one), and if you haven't heard any realistic trades for Marner, again that is your opinion but many feel differently.
why do people always talk about vacuum cleaners. Did you use to sell them or something?
 
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I'll run circles around you in regards to the Leafs -- how far do you want to go back? My takes are extremely inaccurate and outrageous because you don't like them. I was one of the only few who said (on the day of of UFA) that the Leafs overpaid for Tavares and it will come back to haunt them. Everyone else was giddy, throwing a party, and posting pajama pics. Fans see what they want to see. I've been watching the game since the 70s and the problems with the Leafs are clear as day to anyone paying attention. And, yes, the Leafs are my favorite team and I watch every game. Does that mean I can't live in the US and also be a fan of Phil Esposito?

How did u feel about the last 3 games ?
 

ole ole

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Case for not trading for him.
He be going to the desert in 2 yrs when he becomes an UFA. No other team will give up much for 2 yrs of Matthews.
Why would Arizona offer up anything when they know he'll be coming home no charge.
 

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Case for not trading for him.
He be going to the desert in 2 yrs when he becomes an UFA. No other team will give up much for 2 yrs of Matthews.
Why would Arizona offer up anything when they know he'll be coming home no charge.
He will re-sign with Toronto for a few years to bridge the gap to McDavid signing with the Leafs. Then he will likely go to LA or NYC rather than Arizona.
 

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He will re-sign with Toronto for a few years to bridge the gap to McDavid signing with the Leafs. Then he will likely go to LA or NYC rather than Arizona.
Why wait a few years? Everyone knows Mcdavid is signing in Toronto so that makes his value low, apparently. I'm sure we could get him now for some spare parts since nobody would want a couple years of him.
 
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Leaf Fans

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Why wait a few years? Everyone knows Mcdavid is signing in Toronto so that makes his value low, apparently. I'm sure we could get him now for some spare parts since nobody would want a couple years of him.
We still have Matthews, so it might be difficult to fit him in, but I guess Edmonton doesn't want to lose him for nothing.
 

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Please inform us ,What would another team give up for a player that's making 11 mil a season and knowing that he will be gone in 2 seasons.
Please enlighten us.
We have a player making 11 million with two years left, but no one knows if he will choose free agency in two years. It is more likely he will sign for a few more years to bridge the gap to McDavid signing with the Leafs.
 

ole ole

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Probably your entire franchise, honestly. Like I think Molson would physically sell the entire team to get AM34 for even only 2 years.

I don't think there is one franchise that would offer up half of what you expect for a 11 mil 2 yr rental including the Habs.
Just My Opinion.
 

Namikaze Minato

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I don't think there is one franchise that would offer up half of what you expect for a 11 mil 2 yr rental including the Habs.
Just My Opinion.
I think they all would offer insane amounts more than youre preteding for a 24 year old reigning rocket richard winner who they can convince to extend 1 year into his deal. But dont let reality get in the way of your hatred for all things Toronto.

And also your opinion is and always has been bias when it comes to anything Toronto, its more of a good hearty laugh to see you get so silly.
 

tapi

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It should be Matthews for Aho + 1st + 2nd.

The Canes get the goal scorer and exciting top player the owner has been waiting for, while the Leafs get an all-around guy and good futures to set up the Cup run in 4-5 years.
 

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I just wanted to pop in and say there is zero chance the Leafs trade him, nor should they. This is the type of franchise player that you sign and commit to 100%. They sink or they swim based on Matthews, and that’s how it goes.

there’s no chance you’d win any trade that sends away a 50-goal scorer in his prime. This is crazy talk.
 

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As a fan I'd prefer to watch Matthews vs what he's worth in a trade.

I'd love to see a cup, but it's the Leafs never gonna happen again, so I'd prefer to watch Matthews for a few years.
 

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I wouldn't move Tkachuk straight up for Marner. I'd want an add because of the cap difference. They are similar value players. I'd want a 2nd and 3rd added to Marner.
Well, apparently they're trading Tkchuk +++ for Eichel anyway, so there you go. No need to worry about a Marner deal.

I guess the Flames aren't too hopeful of signing Mattty anyway.
 

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Dream on. The Leafs aren't trading Matthews.
As they shouldn't. I don't know how likely he is to leave to Arizona in a few years, though (assuming the team even exists then). If there's any threat of that happening, I think the likelihood of him being traded will rise as it becomes clearer.
 

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Matthews has 3 full years left - 3 years ago, the Predators, Jets, Wild, Ducks, Sharks and Kings had 117, 114, 101, 101, 100 and 98 points, respectively.

In three years, the NHL will look completely different but in a probably unpredictable way. Ottawa, Buffalo, Montreal and Detroit were all bottom feeders and still are, and those aforementioned teams were all great and are now all lottery teams (with the exception of Winnipeg who have still done little to nothing in the postseason)

if Matthews goes to free agency, he is going to pick somewhere that fits his priorities. Arizona is a place that makes a lot of sense for lifestyle, being close to home and for getting a big payday, but with them being relocated as an always looming threat, or maybe his aspirations to be a Stanley Cup champion one day, even Arizona isn't a surefire. What if Matthews goes there and they get shipped off to Quebec? What if they get Wright and Bedard somehow and don't want to spend 12+ million on Matthews?

LA makes sense if he wants to be in LA - but Doughty and Kopitar would be the first people to tell you that nobody cares about hockey in California. A huge reason Danault as an example wanted to sign there is because nobody really bothers hockey players - it's also the reason Toffoli wanted to sign in Montreal, because he said he wanted to be in a hockey market instead of walking down the street and nobody recognizes you. If Matthews wants to be a celebrity, Toronto is one of the best fits for him - NYR, Montreal, Toronto, Chicago are probably the four best markets to play in if you want to be in the spotlight.

I think the 5 year deal was smart as it gives him flexibility if things aren't going well. Generally speaking, I think trading Matthews is a fantastic idea but only to alleviate the top-heaviness of the team. I would keep Marner because you know he will remain loyal to the team as a hometown kid and he is an elite playmaker, you keep Nylander because he's the best bang for your buck and flourishing into an elite player, and you keep Moe and make him your next captain. Tavares can be a great transitional 1C if you can't move his contract, but in an ideal world the Leafs would dump both to open up 22m in cap.

Imagine something like Matthews for Lafreniere, Miller, Chytil and a 1st - you fill a few holes and can probably maintain all three of those contracts for the price of one. Eat 2m of JT's $ and move him to Chicago for Strome and A.Nylander + a pick - suddenly the room changes, you have a ton of new faces and talent, and your cap is WAY more manageable.

the non bold is insightful and to some extent spot on.
I think we can all agree it depends on what he wants and how long he plays.

My guess is ultimately, he takes AZ b'c they will offer him partial ownership. Howev, if he doesn't go asap, will there be a 'yotes franchise in AZ to save?

If he says that's for my last contract, I want one short stint at a cup run, any of a small number of places work, from the current contenders hanging on to the emerging clubs who will be the next group of powers.

As to the bold...
I would be more comfortable with
LaF, KAM, Strome, Hajek + two 1sts
for
Matthews and four 2nds

IF IF IF there was thought he'd go beyond 2 years...

but
as it stands now, w/real risk he can walk, price has to come down

you have to figure if you get him immediately, now, you get this season and next and then you have to hope AZ pays you enough to get him the year early.

Big, huge gamble.
 

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My guess is ultimately, he takes AZ b'c they will offer him partial ownership. Howev, if he doesn't go asap, will there be a 'yotes franchise in AZ to save?

Arizona Coyotes, come for the 0-10 record, stay for the terrible investment oppotunity.
 

bernmeister

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Arizona Coyotes, come for the 0-10 record, stay for the terrible investment oppotunity.

That is a short term view.
Opportunities to purchase into sports franchises are not cheap and are rare at any price.

How bad does he want to try for a cup, and which team in year or 2 is best option, he thinks?

If not a big deal, he takes $ which he gets anywhere PLUS equity buy in.

If he wants cup, that is something else.
 

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