holdyoucloser2003
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With Matthews gone who is Leafs 1C? Tavares is damaged goods and on the wrong side of 30. Nylander is a decent player but can you win 3 rounds in the playoffs with him and Pajamas?
Value of: The case for trading Auston Matthews
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This is a fair point. Adding a legit 1C isn't easy, and Tavares isn't it IMO -- he's the perfect #2c for us, albeit overpaid. That said, the only way you trade Matthews is if you're looking to completely revamp the core, which means other moves need to follow -- kind of like when the Flyers traded Richards, Carter and others on the same day. Another piece that gets moved would need to include a very good center coming back.
But you make a good point. My take is more high-level: I've seen a big shift in attitude from Matthews and quite honestly, I think if the pressure continues to mount, he will be looking to leave after his deal expires. I think the Leafs need to take a good, long look at EVERYTHING, including what's up with Matthews.
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FlyerFire
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You gave your opinion on why you think it doesn't make sense, but that does not make it factual. It's your opinion. It sounds like you're basically saying to trade Matthews because he would return more, which he surely would. However, along the same lines of thinking, he is also much harder to replace. So get more back in a deal to fill a bigger hole.
A Marner trade is difficult to evaluate in a vacuum because it would likely be connected to one or more separate moves - trades, signings, whatever. I've seen some interesting ideas thrown around (e.g., the Eichel one), and if you haven't heard any realistic trades for Marner, again that is your opinion but many feel differently.
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RomanianLeafs
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Why? "I don't like what you're talking about, close it down!!!" How about you just skip past it and ignore it then? Or do the forums hinge on your approval? lol.
it's not a stupid thread . the leafs stand a real good chance of losing him for nothing . when the last year of his deal kicks in and matthews says he doesn't want to discuss contract negotiations until after the season is over because it'll be a distraction, that'll be a long year no ?
The Hanging Jowl
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If Dubas ever trades Matthews, I'll personally hunt him down and kick him in the nuts.
But since he will go to Arizona anyway, wouldn't it make sense for Toronto to get at least something?
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Yup, He will go January 13, 2022. Toronto will get a game against the Coyotes- that is something. After that Matthews will go to St Louis for a game against the Blues.
Always prefer free speech to the alternative which either is, or invites, censorship.
Competition of ideas.
You want to speak against the prop, go for it, that contributes to healthy debate.
Never shut down.
Advocate for a quick natural death of the thread that we, the electorate of posters, choose and accept.
tell us how you REALLY feel
astute
funny .......... not
AM will go where he wants.
That could still be with Leafs
or elsewhere.
But truth which can never be denied and must be recognized,
says
yes,
any club can sign him to max contract and theoretically can make moves to dump salary for cap balance
but
besides that he is a native son, the other thing peeps are not discussing is you can make the case that 'yotes can offer, or accept if demanded by Matthews, that ultimately he can buy into ownership
that is likely something no other club can offer.
I didn't give any facts slap nut, just pointed out you and your sister there were having a girly spat !!!
You quite clearly don't, cut the BS. Location Philly/Avatar Boston, somehow a leafs fan lol. Your takes are so inaccurate and outrageous, it's painfully obvious you don't watch them.
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I'll run circles around you in regards to the Leafs -- how far do you want to go back? My takes are extremely inaccurate and outrageous because you don't like them. I was one of the only few who said (on the day of of UFA) that the Leafs overpaid for Tavares and it will come back to haunt them. Everyone else was giddy, throwing a party, and posting pajama pics. Fans see what they want to see. I've been watching the game since the 70s and the problems with the Leafs are clear as day to anyone paying attention. And, yes, the Leafs are my favorite team and I watch every game. Does that mean I can't live in the US and also be a fan of Phil Esposito?
AlphaBravo
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The only situation where you trade Matthews is if he makes it absolutely clear that he won't resign with Toronto. Otherwise, that will be a horrible move. We haven't seen players like McDavid and Matthews come through the draft in many years. If you trade him, you won't get equivalent talent back for perhaps 10 years or so. The GM needs to figure out other ways to get depth.
- Jan 22, 2007
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Comparing Matthews to McDavid is a problem.
Matthews has a Calder and a Rocket on his resume. McDavid has 3 Art Rosses, 2 Harts and 3 Lindsays and appears to be the most offensively dominant player since peak Jaromoir Jagr. These guys aren't comparable. After Matthews rookie year, I thought they might be, but Matthews changed in ways while McDavid kept improving and improving... and is insanely focused, dedicated and consistent.
That said, you don't give Matthews away or just trade him on a whim. All I'm saying is something is up here and the Leafs needs to consider anything moving forward if the team falls short again. I just don't feel this front office will do anything, as they've made their beds with this young core.
Michael HOMERUNing
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Leafs made the playoffs once in the 12 years before Matthews was drafted, and every time since then. He's a franchise altering talent. Everyone, including Shanahan and Dubas, goes before he does, unless he wants to leave
The Podium
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What is this thread?
Matthews is going no where and it is absolutely silly to suggest that he will.
You guys are silly
Matthews is going no where and it is absolutely silly to suggest that he will.
You guys are silly
Michael HOMERUNing
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Tavares is 13th in goals and 21st in points since joining the Leafs. Among centers he's 8th and 12th. He's also 13th in faceoff percentage. He's still extremely hard to get the puck off of. You can say he's overpaid while admitting he's still a legitimate number 1 centerman
They should never trade Matthews. It’s just silly even if he walks you keep him until the end of his contract. The Leafs have no choice but to live and die by him.
what they should do is fix the wrong they made and trade Nylander and get Kapenen back.
what they should do is fix the wrong they made and trade Nylander and get Kapenen back.
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