Speculation: The Athletic-“So, it’s easy to imagine a scenario in which the Ducks move on from Zegras..."

[duckpuck]

I’ve never once talked about the value of Zegras and have exclusively talked about how the season is going for him this year and why the GM may consider moving him with several Ducks fans.
Maybe read the the thread first before jumping on a comment

Maybe you should read the thread which is about Zegras' potential trade/trade value - - not a bad 20 game "season".

You're apparently either: (i) posting in the wrong place; (ii) unable to understand that repeatedly bringing up a largely irrelevant 20 game period is not particularly on point; and/or (iii) intent on denigrating Zegras unreasonably. I'm going to go with all of the above.

 

[Sniperberg]

Zergass is such a knob. He is 169% the reason why things are going south this year, again!
That selfish- and cockyness is dividing the team so badly that half of them has decided to take sickleave.

Id honestly trade him for someone like Dylan McIlrath and a 8th round pick at this point. Worthless scrub of a player and a lockerroom cancer as well.

 

[HuGort]

Zegras

Washington 2024 1st (lottery protected), one of the 2026 2nds, Leonard

That's big offer. You sure you want to part with Leonard? Zegras needs to produce near 100 points because no defense or physical side to his game.

 

[DJN21]

Maybe you should read the thread which is about Zegras' potential trade/trade value - - not a bad 20 game "season".
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You're apparently either: (i) posting in the wrong place; (ii) unable to understand that repeatedly bringing up a largely irrelevant 20 game period is not particularly on point; and/or (iii) intent on denigrating Zegras unreasonably. I'm going to go with all of the above.

(iiii)

 

[forever1922]

That's big offer. You sure you want to part with Leonard? Zegras needs to produce near 100 points because no defense or physical side to his game.

Zegras has defense, his lines also usually do well 5on5. It's just that his size may limit his effectiveness defending on cycle, in the playoffs when the chips are down and you have a power center matching against him. Then again, if he beats you to transitions and maintains a cycle in your zone the weakness doesn't matter.

No, Zegras doesn't need to produce 100 points for unproven assets to be worth him. That is a big price for his current form however. Then again, what would be the incentive to move him anyway if not the price?

 

[nbwingsfan]

Maybe you should read the thread which is about Zegras' potential trade/trade value - - not a bad 20 game "season".

You're apparently either: (i) posting in the wrong place; (ii) unable to understand that repeatedly bringing up a largely irrelevant 20 game period is not particularly on point; and/or (iii) intent on denigrating Zegras unreasonably. I'm going to go with all of the above.

Once again, have been talking to many ducks fans about why the GM may be inclined to trade him and his play THIS season in response to fans saying he’s been fine this year.

It’s not that difficult to understand

 

[John Mandalorian]

Ya there’s obviously moves that would make sense moving zegras… but the stuff being offered isn’t anything I’d even remotely consider.

If we move zegras it’s to go after a player we feel makes the team better long term.

Not for some half assed package of scraps from Montreal fans

What is the position they'd be looking for? Verbeek seems to want defensively conscious players but you can get that with grinders. One would think there would need to be some high end skill? Would they be interested in wings?

 

[Gliff]

Once again, have been talking to many ducks fans about why the GM may be inclined to trade him and his play THIS season in response to fans saying he’s been fine this year.

It’s not that difficult to understand

He has been fine this season.

 

[nbwingsfan]

He has been fine this season.

As has been said earlier, 7pts in 20 games for an offensive weapon is about as far from fine as you can get

 

[Gliff]

As has been said earlier, 7pts in 20 games for an offensive weapon is about as far from fine as you can get

Ya and you don’t see Ducks fans screaming about how bad he has been so you? Ever wonder why? Are we all delusional?

He started the year playing well with Leo but extremely snake bitten. He was playing really well considering he missed training camp and was switching positions every 3 games. He got benched in 1 third period because of a bad turnover.

Then he got injured and missed a month. Then came back and played great and started getting the points. Then broke his ankle.

Watch the games.

 

[Random schmoe]

That's big offer. You sure you want to part with Leonard? Zegras needs to produce near 100 points because no defense or physical side to his game.

For the record, Gurglesons isn't a Caps fan, they're a Penguins fan, though better than most Pens fans.

I don't see the Caps doing this. All appearances are that they are focused on rebuilding their prospect pipeline, preparing to try and stay competitive after Ovechkin retires. Trading their best prospect and a 1st round pick would run counter to that strategy.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

What is the position they'd be looking for? Verbeek seems to want defensively conscious players but you can get that with grinders. One would think there would need to be some high end skill? Would they be interested in wings?

I agree and hope pv sees it that way…. We have enough defensive conscious players and grinders, we need that skill type.

I’m on the we don’t move zegras wagon…. His defensive game has changed (thought he was the best of our young forwards defensively this year). He’s done the work to improve his flaws, give him a chance to continue improving because he’s exactly what we need.

 

[Gaud]

Ha ill admit that seeing this thread has me re-evaluating my thoughts on Zegras. I had him as a future superstar #1C for the ducks, who was more confident than cocky and whose defensive issues would eventually balance themselves out.

Now he sounds more like a cocky punk who is toxic for a locker room and will never lead anything to the cup. Is it really that bad?

I am asking because the Athletic basically put Mtl's name up first for a possible destination, largely in part due to the reconstruction there and the Zegras-Caufield conneciton.

 

[FiveTacos]

As has been said earlier, 7pts in 20 games for an offensive weapon is about as far from fine as you can get

Well then how about a bet? Next time Zegras plays at least 70 games you think he'll have fewer than 30 points, would you take that bet? Real money.

 

[tomd]

As has been said earlier, 7pts in 20 games for an offensive weapon is about as far from fine as you can get

How many points did Dawson Mercer have in the first 20 games this season?

 

[nbwingsfan]

Well then how about a bet? Next time Zegras plays at least 70 games you think he'll have fewer than 30 points, would you take that bet? Real money.

I would like for you to show me where I said this is his norm or I think he’s a 30pt player please?

In fact, I can show you where I said the opposite.

What I did say, is that this season is objectively a bad season for him, and they happen, but a GM may see a bit of concern in his struggles in a new system.

How many points did Dawson Mercer have in the first 20 games this season?

Not many, and was justifiably being judge for it. He’s also only at 0.5ppg on the season so far which is also not good for him so I’m not sure this is the great point you’re trying to make

 

[tomd]

I would like for you to show me where I said this is his norm or I think he’s a 30pt player please?

In fact, I can show you where I said the opposite.

What I did say, is that this season is objectively a bad season for him, and they happen, but a GM may see a bit of concern in his struggles in a new system.


Not many, and was justifiably being judge for it. He’s also only at 0.5ppg on the season so far which is also not good for him so I’m not sure this is the great point you’re trying to make

The point is, do you think his current trade value should be based upon his performance so far this year? Or do you take a broader look at what he did last year and what he is capable of in the next 5 years? I think if you're being honest you'll admit that the latter is the best way to judge his value. Same with Zegras...

 

[nbwingsfan]

The point is, do you think his current trade value should be based upon his performance so far this year? Or do you take a broader look at what he did last year and what he is capable of in the next 5 years? I think if you're being honest you'll admit that the latter is the best way to judge his value. Same with Zegras...

I’m not saying his trade value is low, and never have.

I’ve just responded to posters saying there’s no way they would trade him and this is some made up rumour and that it’s not even a poor season for him.

As I mentioned earlier, the Seguin situation/trade from Boston is an example of a very good young player being traded after a poor season and questionable defensive efforts on a team that demands a different type of game

You can also point to that trade as to why it’s probably short sighted to trade Zegras as that didn’t workout for Boston at all, it’s just an example that these young guys who an aggressive GM may not see as a fit so get traded

 

[FiveTacos]

I would like for you to show me where I said this is his norm or I think he’s a 30pt player please?

In fact, I can show you where I said the opposite.

So you don't believe his 2 points in his first 12 games is representative of who he is going forward? Then why would any GM?

Most anyone would say that Zegras is worth more than Drysdale. As reflected in their respective contract negotiations last summer. Yet Drysdale despite missing 100 games in little more than a year still netted a bigger return than some of the proposals here for Zegras.

Even if a guy doesn't fit a particular team, it doesn't suddenly mean they're going to get traded at a discount, right?

 

[nbwingsfan]

So you don't believe his 2 points in his first 12 games is representative of who he is going forward? Then why would any GM?

Most anyone would say that Zegras is worth more than Drysdale. As reflected in their respective contract negotiations last summer. Yet Drysdale despite missing 100 games in little more than a year still netted a bigger return than some of the proposals here for Zegras.

Even if a guy doesn't fit a particular team, it doesn't suddenly mean they're going to get traded at a discount, right?

His 7pts in 20 games struggling to adjust to a new system and may play a game that his GM doesn’t like… as I’ve stated multiple times.

I agree the proposals around here for him have been mostly a joke. No one’s getting him for some 1st and C level prospect/3rd liner.

As a Wings fan, take your pick of our prospects and any player not name Seider/Cat/Raymond/Larkin (because that just makes the move pointless for us).

We have enough heavy two way guys, we need star secondary scoring

 

[lwvs84]

Ha ill admit that seeing this thread has me re-evaluating my thoughts on Zegras. I had him as a future superstar #1C for the ducks, who was more confident than cocky and whose defensive issues would eventually balance themselves out.

Now he sounds more like a cocky punk who is toxic for a locker room and will never lead anything to the cup. Is it really that bad?

I am asking because the Athletic basically put Mtl's name up first for a possible destination, largely in part due to the reconstruction there and the Zegras-Caufield conneciton.

I don't think either one is going to be true. He's going to be a low end 1C/high end 2C. He's always going to be a little confident/cocky (your definition will depend on if you like him or hate him). His defense has been noticeably better this year, it is going to be a process after starting his career under Eakins. At his best, I think his offense will be overrated (because of the flashy plays) and people will expect more points than he puts up, but his defense will be underrated because of the last few years and people just not liking him. He'll never be elite defensively, but I think he'll be average at least.

How good he is will end up with what kind of offensive system a team runs. Since the league is a lot more fluid now, being able to play in the middle with the puck on offense and have someone else do the primary heavy lifting on defense (especially handling bigger players) will maximize his ability. He's probably not going to be a top 2 C on the Ducks with Carlsson and McTavish, though Mac does have the shot where he could play C on defense and go to his off wing on offense, let Z run the play and set up for a big shot.

 

[FiveTacos]

As a Wings fan, take your pick of our prospects and any player not name Seider/Cat/Raymond/Larkin (because that just makes the move pointless for us).

We have enough heavy two way guys, we need star secondary scoring

The Ducks are still building both primary and secondary scoring. And I'm still not sold on McTavish as a C long term. Zegras may very well still be their 2c of the future. There's no urgency to make that decision now, either.

The team hasn't really had it's young guns in the lineup together all year. Hard to judge fit at this point, and seeing as they're going nowhere this season they can wait and see. The one thing we do know from those first 12 games is that playing LW with Carlsson makes for great breakouts, possession and passing, but not a ton of finish. And changing position every couple games is probably not the best thing for a young player's production either.

 

[quackquackquack]

LOL how is this thread still alive? Its nothing more than message board fodder. The Ducks x Zegras have shown no interest in moving on from each other.

 

[wintersej]

I’m not saying his trade value is low, and never have.

I’ve just responded to posters saying there’s no way they would trade him and this is some made up rumour and that it’s not even a poor season for him.

As I mentioned earlier, the Seguin situation/trade from Boston is an example of a very good young player being traded after a poor season and questionable defensive efforts on a team that demands a different type of game

You can also point to that trade as to why it’s probably short sighted to trade Zegras as that didn’t workout for Boston at all, it’s just an example that these young guys who an aggressive GM may not see as a fit so get traded

I don't think Boston moving Seguin (or Thornton before him) was the wrong move. Identifying the core you think you can win with is important. In Seguin's case none of the prospects worked out (Bruins overrated Morrow) and the center piece in Eriksson went from a top 10 5 on 5 producer with a great two way game to a poopy head at 28.

I don't think Anaheim moving on from Zegras is a bad idea at all given how well they have hit with their other young centers. Zegras as a 60 point winger in a couple years has waaaay less value than Zegras as a 22 year old 60 point center with potential to be more if he rounds out his game. If the team doesn't believe in the player, then selling high is more than reasonable. But, they would have to be selling at a value they think is high. And what that is... who knows.

 

[FiveTacos]

LOL how is this thread still alive? Its nothing more than message board fodder. The Ducks x Zegras have shown no interest in moving on from each other.

Also should note that for all the Zegras haters going on about his numbers over 20 games ... the team is 9-10-1 with him, 6-18 without. They're clearly better with him in the lineup, significantly.