Rumor: The All Encompassing Trevor Zegras Thread

[McEsenpi]

It's a terrible offer.

Would you give up Caufield for that?

And Zegras value is probably more than Caufield : he showed more, produced more and he can play center and wing.

Newhook, winnipeg first and barron is shit.

 

[Archijerej]

And Zegras value is probably more than Caufield : he showed more, produced more and he can play center and wing.

Especially in the playoffs.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

It's a terrible offer.

Would you give up Caufield for that?

I would not trade Zegras or Caufield. If for some reason Verbeek doesn't like Zegras then Newhook, a defenseman and Winnipeg's 1st is close. Newhook is a similar player to Zegras with almost as much upside. I wouldn't add Habs 1st to the offer. Winnipeg's and a d is as far as I would go - Kovacevic, Barron, Harris level d.

And Zegras value is probably more than Caufield : he showed more, produced more and he can play center and wing.

Newhook, winnipeg first and barron is shit.

Ridiculous. Zegras is NOT worth more than Caufileld. I would rate them as equal.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Why wouldn't they?

Maybe because goals are worth more than assists. But I'm ok if Anaheim is not looking to move Zegras. No need for us to try to overpay to pry him loose.

I'm pretty sure Anaheim laughs its ass off at Barron/Newhook/WPG 1st.

Indeed they might. So we move on. This rumour mill trade opportunity is likely a mirage.

 

[1909]

Maybe Hughes should sign Mantha as a free agent next July instead of giving the moon to Anaheim for Zegras. . 18 goals so far. Maybe he would look good on the 2nd line with Dach and Newhook.

 

[sampollock]

Maybe Hughes should sign Mantha as a free agent next July instead of giving the moon to Anaheim for Zegras. . 18 goals so far. Maybe he would look good on the 2nd line with Dach and Newhook.

Older and not as talented.

 

[1909]

Older and not as talented.

Of course. But no assets to give in return. Just cash. And he will be 30 only next December.

I'd rather sign Marchesseault over Mantha, but he is 5 years older, and I doubt he would sign in MTL.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Zegras isn’t a Pat “little ball of hate” Verbeek type player just as Jaime Drysdale wasn’t , but I could definitely see Verbeek wanting to get his hands on Jr Iginla this draft… a player who seems to be rocketing up draft position

Ducks fan coming in peace,

I don’t think drysdale was being shopped or not a PV style player… I think it was a scenario where cutter gauthier was a player we really liked. There was talks Anaheim tried to move up in the draft, and that the target was Gauthier.

I imagine we offered 2nd + luneau/zellweger but Philly wanted someone that could play now…. With byram supposedly already on the board for gauthier, was going to take Mintyukov or drysdale…. And Mintyukov is and should be a nonstarter in any trade.

I agree about iginla, I think pv is going to want him pretty bad. Won’t be shocked if we don’t win lottery we trade down a little to snag him(teams will want to move up for shot at lindstrom, Demidov, or there choice of dmen)

 

[SwiftyHab]

Ducks fan coming in peace,

I don’t think drysdale was being shopped or not a PV style player… I think it was a scenario where cutter gauthier was a player we really liked. There was talks Anaheim tried to move up in the draft, and that the target was Gauthier.

I imagine we offered 2nd + luneau/zellweger but Philly wanted someone that could play now…. With byram supposedly already on the board for gauthier, was going to take Mintyukov or drysdale…. And Mintyukov is and should be a nonstarter in any trade.

I agree about iginla, I think pv is going to want him pretty bad. Won’t be shocked if we don’t win lottery we trade down a little to snag him(teams will want to move up for shot at lindstrom, Demidov, or there choice of dmen)

Habs fan also coming in peace.

What pieces do you think you guys need? is it a top 6 winger and a top 4 D?

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Maybe because goals are worth more than assists. But I'm ok if Anaheim is not looking to move Zegras. No need for us to try to overpay to pry him loose.


Indeed they might. So we move on. This rumour mill trade opportunity is likely a mirage.

They wouldn't laugh but they may say they aren't interested in Newhook as the key player. If there is something about Zegras Verbeek doesn't like he may see the same quality in Newhook. In any event Newhook should be pretty much untouchable.

 

[SwiftyHab]

The one piece i think Anaheim could use is Matheson. A stablizing D probably at the peak of his value right now. Maybe a package with him a a 1st

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Habs fan also coming in peace.

What pieces do you think you guys need? is it a top 6 winger and a top 4 D?

I think if zegras was hypothetically available(which I maintain he isn’t) and pv just listened to offers because it’s part of his job and technically zegras is expendable at the right cost.

We’d be aiming at a high end RHD prospect or an equally/better talented winger with a different skill set. If there is legit issues between Anaheim and zegras, then I imagine it might be at the draft for a highish draft pick package (prob post lottery so picks are known).

 

[SwiftyHab]

I think if zegras was hypothetically available(which I maintain he isn’t) and pv just listened to offers because it’s part of his job and technically zegras is expendable at the right cost.

We’d be aiming at a high end RHD prospect or an equally/better talented winger with a different skill set. If there is legit issues between Anaheim and zegras, then I imagine it might be at the draft for a highish draft pick package (prob post lottery so picks are known).

So theoretically, if he was available, a package that involves 2 recent 1st rounder picks in forward prospect Mesar (top 6 potential), RHD prospect Barron (Top 4 D potential), and a 1st round pick would be considered by pv?

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

So theoretically, if he was available, a package that involves 2 recent 1st rounder picks in forward prospect Mesar (top 6 potential), RHD prospect Barron (Top 4 D potential), and a 1st round pick would be considered by pv?

I think if PV was to move zegras and Montreal was pitching it would be Reinbacher slaf or your 1st. I assume the 1st you have listed is Winnipeg’s not your own. And I get that’s prob too much of an ask from Montreal perspective, but again I don’t think he’s realistically available, so it’s going to be costly if he is moved.

Ducks are getting to a point where we have too many assets/prospects, so idk that quantity really gets it done.

 

[yianik]

We don't have our future top 3D figured out and whether Dach is our top 6C of the future is an open question for me. So trading away significant assets , and they would be significant, for a high skill but soft WINGER, doesn't make a lot of sense to me even if the guy is more Kane than Drouin.

So I'm not sold on Zegras at the high price we appear to have to pay, like Reinbacher or our 1st this year.

 

[Sorinth]

And Zegras value is probably more than Caufield : he showed more, produced more and he can play center and wing.

Newhook, winnipeg first and barron is shit.

Sorry but your out to lunch if you think Zegras has more value Caufield. They have basically the same ppg but Caufield has more goals which are more valuable then assists. Caufield doesn't sacrifice defence to get his points like Zegras does, Caufield doesn't put his team on the PK anywhere near as much as Zegras does. Hell Caufield even has a better faceoff % then Zegras does. And there's no attitude problem.

And this is coming from someone who thinks we should make a competitive offer for Zegras.

 

[Vachon23]

Sorry but your out to lunch if you think Zegras has more value Caufield. They have basically the same ppg but Caufield has more goals which are more valuable then assists. Caufield doesn't sacrifice defence to get his points like Zegras does, Caufield doesn't put his team on the PK anywhere near as much as Zegras does. Hell Caufield even has a better faceoff % then Zegras does. And there's no attitude problem.

And this is coming from someone who thinks we should make a competitive offer for Zegras.

They have the same value

One is a better play driver/creator the other one is a better goal scorer

Saying that Caufield is better defensively but a worth nothing.. both are bad defensively even if Caufield is less awful. It’s like saying Zegras is more physical

 

[HuGo Sham]

I think if PV was to move zegras and Montreal was pitching it would be Reinbacher slaf or your 1st. I assume the 1st you have listed is Winnipeg’s not your own. And I get that’s prob too much of an ask from Montreal perspective, but again I don’t think he’s realistically available, so it’s going to be costly if he is moved.

Ducks are getting to a point where we have too many assets/prospects, so idk that quantity really gets it done.

Umm no to Slaf, it's a lateral move then...and we need to add not subtract at forward.
Reinbacher is possible I guess, as is our first if it's out of the top 7/8.
I assume we'd have to then add another first - either winnipeg's or Calgary's

 

[Zilo44]

I’d gladly take Zegras if we fleece Anaheim. Other than that…

 

[Sorinth]

They have the same value

One is a better play driver/creator the other one is a better goal scorer

Saying that Caufield is better defensively but a worth nothing.. both are bad defensively even if Caufield is less awful. It’s like saying Zegras is more physical

They really don't, not only does Zegras' attitude/character issues hurt his value (Even if they are overblown/not true it's still the perception which impacts his trade value) Caufield has been showing this season that he can be positive defensively and he can be a playmaker and not purely a goal scorer. He's also showing leadership qualities and has a playoff resume showing him stepping up when it matters the most and when his size should've been the biggest hinderance. And on top of that Caufield's ppg has steadily improved every season whereas Zegras hasn't.

Also this season Caufield is out hitting Zegras with 2.37 vs 1.38 hits per 60 minutes so saying he's more physical isn't even true.

 

[Vachon23]

They really don't, not only does Zegras' attitude/character issues hurt his value (Even if they are overblown/not true it's still the perception which impacts his trade value) Caufield has been showing this season that he can be positive defensively and he can be a playmaker and not purely a goal scorer. He's also showing leadership qualities and has a playoff resume showing him stepping up when it matters the most and when his size should've been the biggest hinderance. And on top of that Caufield's ppg has steadily improved every season whereas Zegras hasn't.

Also this season Caufield is out hitting Zegras with 2.37 vs 1.38 hits per 60 minutes so saying he's more physical isn't even true.

And Zegras have prove that he can put 60
Pts/season and he’s bigger so less injury prone to injuries.

Both have + and - but at the end of the day, they are similar caliber. You can prefer one or the other but that’s by personal preference

 

[TheBuriedHab]

I think if PV was to move zegras and Montreal was pitching it would be Reinbacher slaf or your 1st. I assume the 1st you have listed is Winnipeg’s not your own. And I get that’s prob too much of an ask from Montreal perspective, but again I don’t think he’s realistically available, so it’s going to be costly if he is moved.

Ducks are getting to a point where we have too many assets/prospects, so idk that quantity really gets it done.

I think if the Habs pick falls between 6-10 overall they gladly offer it up for Zegras 1 for 1. Whether that's enough for Anaheim idk.

 

[Sorinth]

And Zegras have prove that he can put 60
Pts/season and he’s bigger so less injury prone to injuries.

Both have + and - but at the end of the day, they are similar caliber. You can prefer one or the other but that’s by personal preference

Bigger doesn't mean less prone to injuries. And it's a weird thing to say given that Zegras is right now injured and Caufield has basically had 1 injury in his pro-career.

 

[SwiftyHab]

I think if PV was to move zegras and Montreal was pitching it would be Reinbacher slaf or your 1st. I assume the 1st you have listed is Winnipeg’s not your own. And I get that’s prob too much of an ask from Montreal perspective, but again I don’t think he’s realistically available, so it’s going to be costly if he is moved.

Ducks are getting to a point where we have too many assets/prospects, so idk that quantity really gets it done.

Think we need a third team to fleece to make this work

 

[Vachon23]

Bigger doesn't mean less prone to injuries. And it's a weird thing to say given that Zegras is right now injured and Caufield has basically had 1 injury in his pro-career.

Smaller player are more injury prone that’s fact

Like I said, you can value Caufield more that’s totally fine but at the end of the day they have a similar Camus and it’s a great way to know what Zegras could cost