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This 8-minute fan film is very impressive, both technically and in its ability to evoke nostalgia and emotion in a way that modern Trek is incapable of.
 
Osprey said:
This 8-minute fan film is very impressive, both technically and in its ability to evoke nostalgia and emotion in a way that modern Trek is incapable of.
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Not really a fan film as it was sanctioned by star trek, the Nimoy family and Shatner had been talking about it for 2 years

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archangel2 said:
Not really a fan film as it was sanctioned by star trek, the Nimoy family and Shatner had been talking about it for 2 years
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Yeah, I learned about that after I posted it (and before it was given its own thread). It definitely makes it more special than I originally assumed. I even wondered if Shatner and the Nimoy family would object, so it's nice hearing that they were involved.
 
Just got a free Paramount subscription in the last few months, been wanting to start the original series but I only see the remastered version on Paramount. I would have rather seen how the shows actually aired but don't see the unmastered version on there.

Do you think there's that big of a difference between the two?
 
Satans Hockey said:
Just got a free Paramount subscription in the last few months, been wanting to start the original series but I only see the remastered version on Paramount. I would have rather seen how the shows actually aired but don't see the unmastered version on there.

Do you think there's that big of a difference between the two?
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The differences are mainly in the space shots, which were re-done in CGI. I hate that they did that, but at least there are only a few such shots per episode and last only a few seconds each.

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Osprey said:
The differences are mainly in the space shots, which were re-done in CGI. I hate that they did that, but at least there are only a few such shots per episode and last only a few seconds each.

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Appreciate it! I'll probably just try to track down the original versions. I've meaning to dive into the Star Trek world for years now. I don't know why Paramount doesn't just give you the option to watch either.
 
Jumptheshark said:
Then so is Brave New Worlds and several times Spock talked about missing his sister
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That's fine. I don't mind SNW and it has some good ideas, but it also can't help itself with some very ridiculous stories, having to redo classic TOS, and why do they need to bring all the TOS characters in? Be self-contained and create new characters.
 
Satans Hockey said:
Appreciate it! I'll probably just try to track down the original versions. I've meaning to dive into the Star Trek world for years now. I don't know why Paramount doesn't just give you the option to watch either.
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The only changes are those orbital or space shots being done in CGI and cleaning up some effects shots to be more consistent or not be so obvious now that they're being viewed in HD

I don't think it's worth finding original broadcast versions. The CG space stuff is generally done in a way that makes it still feel appropriate to the original 60s aesthetic and just addresses the fact that a lot of those early effects shots resulted in muddy, boring planets that were badly composited in the background or had trouble showing ship models doing anything beyond the most basic movement. Otherwise I think the only other sort of common changes were things like removing visible wires from "floating" objects and fixing badly blended effects overlays.

This isn't a Star Wars situation where Lucas inserted a bunch of CGI crap that altered shots or changed the composition of scenes. It's just cosmetic touch-ups to stuff that was already there and I don't think it distracts from the episodes at all. Given the choice between watching the show with an already-obtained Paramount+ account or having to go find the mid 2000s/early 2010s Blu-Rays that had the option to switch between original effects and the remaster and pay a premium to buy them, I think the extra cost isn't worth the minimal differences.
 
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Then so is Brave New Worlds and several times Spock talked about missing his sister
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The thing I saw says that SNW is likely still considered canon. Just because Discovery no longer exists doesn't mean that versions of its events can't have existed in the main timeline in some capacity. Just not exactly as portrayed in Discovery.
 
The Nemesis said:
The thing I saw says that SNW is likely still considered canon. Just because Discovery no longer exists doesn't mean that versions of its events can't have existed in the main timeline in some capacity. Just not exactly as portrayed in Discovery.
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SNW is ok at times when it's not trying to wink at the audience or redo old episodes.

There's various things like Kirk always being around the Enterprise, Scotty joining so early, Uhura being promoted in one year and then being an Ensign forever, Gorn "first contact", Khan's timeline change, Spock's wife, Spock and Chapel's "romance" so early, Jose Tyler missing, Jenna and not Gary Mitchell, Sam Kirk being a hipster, and the crew who are going to meet Khan a decade later having no idea they've been hanging out with his descendant forever.

So yeah, a lot of poor writing and "thrills".
 
HFsNumber1Heel said:
SNW is ok at times when it's not trying to wink at the audience or redo old episodes.

There's various things like Kirk always being around the Enterprise, Scotty joining so early, Uhura being promoted in one year and then being an Ensign forever, Gorn "first contact", Khan's timeline change, Spock's wife, Spock and Chapel's "romance" so early, Jose Tyler missing, Jenna and not Gary Mitchell, Sam Kirk being a hipster, and the crew who are going to meet Khan a decade later having no idea they've been hanging out with his descendant forever.

So yeah, a lot of poor writing and "thrills".
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A lot of those are non-issues or things that had no established history or backstory to contradict what the show chooses to do.

The only ones I agree are kind of annoying are a) forcing Kirk into the story so early as a sort of recurring character. I would've been fine with one small arc of him being there for 1-3 episodes, but the fact that he seems primed to recur more is awkward. b) La'an Noonian-Singh, who literally could've been anyone with a connection to the Eugenics Wars but they went with the most blatantly obvious one in spite of the problems it causes and c) Spock meeting T'Pring in spite of Amok Time estabishing that they had not seen each other since childhood.

The rest of it is easily explainable or ignoreable. Like I don't get the Uhura one. She won't be an ensign forever. She was a lieutenant in TOS. Her getting promoted to ensign from the final stages of her cadet tenue and then not moving up in rank for a few years is not that weird.
 
The Nemesis said:
A lot of those are non-issues or things that had no established history or backstory to contradict what the show chooses to do.

The only ones I agree are kind of annoying are a) forcing Kirk into the story so early as a sort of recurring character. I would've been fine with one small arc of him being there for 1-3 episodes, but the fact that he seems primed to recur more is awkward. b) La'an Noonian-Singh, who literally could've been anyone with a connection to the Eugenics Wars but they went with the most blatantly obvious one in spite of the problems it causes and c) Spock meeting T'Pring in spite of Amok Time estabishing that they had not seen each other since childhood.

The rest of it is easily explainable or ignoreable. Like I don't get the Uhura one. She won't be an ensign forever. She was a lieutenant in TOS. Her getting promoted to ensign from the final stages of her cadet tenue and then not moving up in rank for a few years is not that weird.
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The three are pretty big issues.

Here's the deal with Uhura; Mariner literally told her she was this very important person in the future, we know she's a linguistic and comms expert, and much later in he career, she was Ensign Picard's first commanding officer.

She gets promoted from cadet to Ensign in one year and then there's 13 years that go by before TOS which has a five year mission and she's only a Lt. Cmdr. after that mission. So it takes her almost two decades to go from Ensign to Lt. Commander and then she's a commander after five years (the 13 years in between TMP and WOK). It's very inconsistent. At least after Undiscovered Country she becomes a Captain and does that for a long time.
 
Jumptheshark said:
Hard to believe the last actual star trek movie was 9 years ago there is no real news on there being another one. They are up to their 15 script or something
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Interest in the series has been waning. It needs to be a good script but also budget and expectations need to be realistic. Last one did about $444 mill worldwide. Probably best to not need it to make $500 mill to break even.
 
StreetHawk said:
Interest in the series has been waning. It needs to be a good script but also budget and expectations need to be realistic. Last one did about $444 mill worldwide. Probably best to not need it to make $500 mill to break even.
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Crazy thing about the last movie was how much was reshot

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This character was added in the 2nd group of reshoots and for me she was the best thing in the movie.
A few years ago Nicholas Meyer offered to help write a script and he said "The new people have their own plans and their own voices". He is working on an audio program called "Ceti Alpha V project," that has been in development for 3 years.

You are correct about the budget, all the actors from the reboot time line all want to do it but they also all want to get paid
 
A lot of movies need to take a page out of Chris Nolan who gets top actors at a discount. Oppenheimer I think the top actor only got like $6 mill. Maybe build it up as a backend where the actors share in profits of the film. But that may be difficult to do.

If you basically need double the box office of the production and marketing cost to break even, then your numbers have to be realistic of what the box office is going to bring in. And Star Trek isn’t as popular as it once was so need to factor that in now.
 
StreetHawk said:
A lot of movies need to take a page out of Chris Nolan who gets top actors at a discount. Oppenheimer I think the top actor only got like $6 mill. Maybe build it up as a backend where the actors share in profits of the film. But that may be difficult to do.

If you basically need double the box office of the production and marketing cost to break even, then your numbers have to be realistic of what the box office is going to bring in. And Star Trek isn’t as popular as it once was so need to factor that in now.
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Nolan gets them at a discount because the actors know they are in for something special, one way or another. In the case of Oppenheimer they knew there would be a good chance of awards and Nolan gives a larger back end(meaning that they get £££ if the movie makes money. Example is what Josh Brolin recently talked about. For his Marvel movies he got no back end money but for American Gangster he got $600k)
 
I'm embarrassed to admit that I watched it tonight. It's really bad. It's the cringey writing and general un-Trekness of Discovery paired with the fast-paced popcorn action of the reboot movies. At least it was only 90 minutes, so it ended before I lost too many brain cells.
 
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