TV: The All - Encompassing Star Trek Thread. Debate Long + Prosper

[LeafalCrusader]

Enterprise is looking better and better.

 

[Blender]

Honestly, almost anything that has ever involved Section 31 has been pretty bad, even in DS9.

At least in DS9 it was a secretive organization that didn't want to be seen or noticed and acted with subtlety. This Section 31 show is centered around a cannibalistic genocidal warlord who is now being played for laughs and sympathy.

 

[NyQuil]

I don't think Gene would really recognize any of this.

 

[Seedtype]

I guess I have to thank Star Trek: Into Darkness. If I hadn't realize that Kurtzman was such a hack I would've wasted so much money and time on this era of Star Trek.

I still think the universe has a lot of potential, and I heard it hasn't been all bad... but yeah. No regrets, heh.

 

[Canadiens Ghost]

Strange New Worlds is okay and I actually like Lower Decks but...

Could it be possible that Section 31 will be even worse than STD? I think so.
This ain't Star Trek anymore... and I won't be watching.

 

[Osprey]

 

[The Macho King]

I don't think Gene would really recognize any of this.

Gene kind of sucked so who cares.

Edit: Not to say anything made since 2009 is particularly good. The first of the nuTrek was... okay and I really dig SNW, but the rest has been trash. That being said, I just don't really want to lionize "what Gene would want" because ST is bigger than him.

 

[NyQuil]

Gene kind of sucked so who cares.

He came up with a progressive, idealistic vision of the future that still resonates decades later.

These latest offerings are just generic science-fiction crap.

 

[The Macho King]

He came up with a progressive, idealistic vision of the future that still resonates decades later.

These latest offerings are just generic science-fiction crap.

Made an edit because I realized it was a drive by without context. But the new ST sucking and "what Gene would want" are kind of two different discussions.

 

[archangel2]

I don't think Gene would really recognize any of this.

They tossed away the Star Trek Bible that DC Fontana wrote about what Gene's Trek was about the moment Bad Robot came on Board

 

[NyQuil]

The tossed away the Star Trek Bible that DC Fontana wrote about what Gene's Trek was about the moment Bad Robot came on Board

I can understand wanting to branch out and try some new things, DS9 being a pretty audacious example, but what I’m seeing now is completely unrecognizable.

 

[Commander Clueless]

Strange New Worlds is okay and I actually like Lower Decks but...

Could it be possible that Section 31 will be even worse than STD? I think so.
This ain't Star Trek anymore... and I won't be watching.

I'll second the vote for Lower Decks. Fun comedy with a ton of inside jokes that doesn't take itself seriously and yet shows off a deep love for the franchise.

Not everyone's cup of tea but it's a fun self parody in my books.

Other than that, there's been some good and some bad, but mostly just a lot of generic meh that seems more disappointing to me as someone who, if I'm being honest, just wanted more TNG/DS9/VOY. I know I'm old but this just ain't my jam.

 

[johnjm22]

I despise Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks.

Prodigy is the only P+ Trek that I think is okay.

 

[johnjm22]

Strange New Sci Fi

If truth is the first casualty of war, then perhaps good fiction is the first casualty of culture war.

quillette.com

"Strange New Worlds is different. There’s less emphasis on story, more on being the right kind of show. Most of the screen time is devoted to fan service and contrived personal issues; what little remains for plot is rushed and simplistic, almost an afterthought, with shallow concepts and tacked-on progressive themes. The crew are less like individuals than demographic avatars (non-toxic male leader, trauma survivor), whose most profound quality is being really really excited to be on Star Trek."

This article is from last year, but I think it does a great job of articulating the problems with SNW.

 

[Blender]

I can understand wanting to branch out and try some new things, DS9 being a pretty audacious example, but what I’m seeing now is completely unrecognizable.

DS9 was darker and grittier than TNG or TOS and tackled issues even those shows wouldn't touch, but it worked because there was still the underlying themes of Star Trek.

 

[The Macho King]

DS9 was darker and grittier than TNG or TOS and tackled issues even those shows wouldn't touch, but it worked because there was still the underlying themes of Star Trek.

IDK if anyone is familiar with the Culture series, but DS9 feels like an example of that. What goes on at the borders of a utopia type of discussion.

Obviously the Dominion War and specifically In the Pale Moonlight really accentuate the moral greyness of that.

 

[Osprey]

It just occurred to me that I haven't watched any new Star Trek in two years, not since Picard S2 and Strange New Worlds S1. I just don't have the motivation anymore. In contrast, despite how equally critical I am of Star Wars, I've continued to watch each new show and season. For some reason, I can manage to laugh at how far Star Wars has fallen, but how far Star Trek has isn't funny. Maybe it's because it's only sad to lose great fiction, but depressing to lose a great future.

 

[4thline]

Enterprise is looking better and better.

Enterprise's only flaw was getting transporter tech too soon. The S1-S2 Hiccups were just finding it's feet. 3 and 4 were awesome, and 5-7 and the Foundation of the Federation had so much promise

 

[StreetHawk]

It just occurred to me that I haven't watched any Star Trek in two years, since Picard S2 and Strange New Worlds S1. I just don't have the motivation. In contrast, despite how equally critical I am of Star Wars, I've continued to watch every new show and season. For some reason, I can laugh at how far Star Wars has fallen, but how far Star Trek has is more painful to watch. Maybe it's because it's only sad to lose great fiction, but depressing to lose a great future.

Surprised they didn't go to time periods after the end of Voyager. All but the animated ones went to a prior timeline, save for the time jump of Discovery.

 

[johnjm22]

With Lower Decks and Discovery coming to an end, this is what's on deck for Star Trek:

-A few more seasons of SNW & Prodigy?
-Section 31 Movie
-Starfleet Academy
-Parks & Rec Style Sitcom
-Simon Kinberg Produced Reboot Prequel movie

Pretty much all of this sounds terrible.

 

[HolyGhost]

Not sure if people were paying attention to star trek day. But in some of the stuff that came out, they teased that they may do a series based upon the Lost era. The end of Star Trek generations to the start of Star Trek the next generations

 

[SJSharksfan39]

Not sure if people were paying attention to star trek day. But in some of the stuff that came out, they teased that they may do a series based upon the Lost era. The end of Star Trek generations to the start of Star Trek the next generations

I know of the Lower Decks first look and the Take the Chair campaign, but what else came out yesterday. It seemed like slim pickings.

 

[johnjm22]

Not sure if people were paying attention to star trek day. But in some of the stuff that came out, they threatened that they may do a series based upon the Lost era. The end of Star Trek generations to the start of Star Trek the next generations

Fixed it for you.

 

[Osprey]

It's a little surprising that they haven't already made a show in that era between TOS and TNG. It'd allow them to mine the lore from both shows and DS9 (for nearly unlimited story ideas and references), set it on the Enterprise C under the captaincy of Rachel Garrett (both a woman and a recognizable character name) and show how the Federation and Klingon Empire became allies (perhaps because the Romulans became a threat to both). I'm not suggesting such a show, since I have no faith that they'd do it well, but it seems like the kind of project that they would've been interested in by now.

 

[Guardian17]