Speculation: The All Encompassing Edmonton Oilers Thread

ChaoticOrange

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To be clear, all I did in this thread was ask the question “does this make both teams better”?
your original proposal is worth thinking about. I'd still say no, but it's not terrible.

Removing Aho and debating Slavin for McDavid straight up (which you didn't do, but others did) changes things from a polite no to... a much less polite no.
 
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If Oilers were to inquire Philly about:

Carter Hart ($4M)
Morgan Frost ($2.1M)
Travis Sanheim ($6.25M)
2nd round pick 2024
3rd round draft pick 2024

Total: $12.35M

What would the Oilers be willing to give-up?

Would this be a possibility?

Draisatl ($8.5M)
Skinner ($2.6M)
Desharnais ($0.75M)
1st round draft pick 2024

Total: $11.85M

*there might need to be another minor player swap to be cap compliant.
 

ChaoticOrange

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If Oilers were to inquire Philly about:

Carter Hart ($4M)
Morgan Frost ($2.1M)
Travis Sanheim ($6.25M)
2nd round pick 2024
3rd round draft pick 2024

Total: $12.35M

What would the Oilers be willing to give-up?

Would this be a possibility?

Draisatl ($8.5M)
Skinner ($2.6M)
Desharnais ($0.75M)
1st round draft pick 2024

Total: $11.85M

*there might need to be another minor player swap to be cap compliant.
...no. it would not be a possibility. Overloads the left side of our D and punches a gigantic hole in our forwards. First is on the wrong side of the equation. The value is not there and the pieces aren't right. Edmonton needs RD, not LD.
 
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It is definitely time for a big move for edmonton (neutral fan):

Draisital (instead of McD)
Bouchard

for

Aho
Pesce
S Morrow
Lemieux

Cap works. A lot to give up for Edmonton, but they need a different mix or risk losing everything. Changes the team dynamics. Aho not as special as Drai but still very very good player. Pesce is injured and currently not playing- he would have to be willing to sign but he would settle the Edmonton D down for sure!

Drai on a very good contract is an upgrade on Aho for Carolina. Bouchard a very very nice piece for a young offensive D who would thrive with a better structure and new direction. Carolina could use him and has the left side players to play him with the right partner and give him a spot to succeed, whereas although points are coming, he doesnt have the right partner in Edmonton for now.

It is a hockey trade that works for Cap and makes both teams better... With Morrow giving Edmonton a future right D to replace Bouchard. Lemieux gives edmonton a chance for some gritty upside as an additional future forward who is not being used.

My attempt at pissing off both franchises with something that makes more sense rather than McD moving for that package above:)
 

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...no. it would not be a possibility. Overloads the left side of our D and punches a gigantic hole in our forwards. First is on the wrong side of the equation. The value is not there and the pieces aren't right. Edmonton needs RD, not LD.

I think Oilers should first start to look at blueliners and goalies who can actually play in the NHL, then look at the side or if they are left/right handed for refinement...
 

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I think Oilers should first start to look at blueliners and goalies who can actually play in the NHL, then look at the side or if they are left/right handed for refinement...
Nurse is good, just overpaid. Ekholm missed all of camp with an injury and hasn't gotten back to his usual standard yet. Trading Draisaitl in order to allot a full quarter of our cap space to left handed defencemen would be bad asset management. Not to mention that Frost is so deep in the doghouse that he might never get out.

I don't think Philly has the pieces to pull off a trade for Draisaitl that makes sense from our POV.
 

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Point one: Slavin is as far ahead of other defenseman defensively as McDavid is of other forwards. it's worth noting that in head to head matchups, Slavin has dominated against McDavid, and is essentially the only defenseman in the league who has.

Defensive metrics are just utterly terrible across the board, most of them based on shot attempts, like the ones that claim McDavid is an average defensive player because the ratio of offensive chances he creates to defensive chances he gives up is decent. That means he's creating enough offense to outscore his defensive impact, not that he's good defensively. Slavin has also suffered in some of those metrics because he's not generating offensively, leading to Dom famously and hilariously claiming that Slavin was being carried defensively by Dougie Hamilton.

Point two: Offense is not more any valuable than defense. Giving up fewer goals than you score is how you win the game. Scoring goals and preventing them have equal value. You, and the league, have always played a much higher value on offense, because hey, it's sexy. That is an emotional response, not a rational one. Edmonton is losing games and has likely already bombed themselves out of the playoffs because they do not value defense. There should be a lesson there.

To me, this is just a really simple abstract question: Would you rather have the best offensive player in the league or the best defensive
A team can keep McDavid and make other moves to get a d-man so it this trade makes little sense to begin with. No one would trade McDavid in this deal.
 
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ChaoticOrange

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you guys are arguing about what this would do to the Flyers defense when, if you could get Draisatl this damn cheap, that would be an absolute afterthought.

you're adding Gauthier and a 1st to that package to even keep the phone line warm.
I did say "value is not there" haha.

I understand that we're very bad right now but the entire mains are full of the exact kind of low-value panic moves I'm praying we do not make.
 
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This could go into the worst takes on HF of all time. ALL TIME.Lock this in the vault and toss away the key.

Yesterday when someone proposed something with McAvoy and Draisaitl, one of the valid objectionions was that McAvoy is too much of what is the teams strength. Same thing here. Carolina still might have enough of what their identity is but it’s hard to fault someone for being concerned they lose too much and become like what the Oilers are now.
 
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Point one: Slavin is as far ahead of other defenseman defensively as McDavid is of other forwards. it's worth noting that in head to head matchups, Slavin has dominated against McDavid, and is essentially the only defenseman in the league who has.

Defensive metrics are just utterly terrible across the board, most of them based on shot attempts, like the ones that claim McDavid is an average defensive player because the ratio of offensive chances he creates to defensive chances he gives up is decent. That means he's creating enough offense to outscore his defensive impact, not that he's good defensively. Slavin has also suffered in some of those metrics because he's not generating offensively, leading to Dom famously and hilariously claiming that Slavin was being carried defensively by Dougie Hamilton.

Point two: Offense is not more any valuable than defense. Giving up fewer goals than you score is how you win the game. Scoring goals and preventing them have equal value. You, and the league, have always played a much higher value on offense, because hey, it's sexy. That is an emotional response, not a rational one. Edmonton is losing games and has likely already bombed themselves out of the playoffs because they do not value defense. There should be a lesson there.

To me, this is just a really simple abstract question: Would you rather have the best offensive player in the league or the best defensive player?
"This is the worst post/argument/thread I've ever seen" gets thrown around a lot here as a simple argumentative gambit, but your takes in this thread are completely, bizarrely wrong. Absolutely no GM of any hockey team that has ever existed wouldn't trade Slavin for McDavid. McDavid has carried the Oilers through at least half of every season for the last several years. He'd instantly make any team far better.

Incidentally I'm a Canucks fan with no attachment whatsoever to the Oilers who doesn't care about the Canes one way or another.
 
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Every team in the league would beat that offer for McDavid.
There isn't a single team in the NHL with the assets needed to acquire Slavin.

Any trade to acquire Slavin would leave the team's asset cupboard so barren and lineup so weak that you would expect the franchise to fold entirely.

However, Slavin counters that. Opponents simply cannot score goals. You win the Stanley Cup. And the next one. And the one after that. Seats are packed on a nightly basis. Dynasty.
 

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"This is the worst post/argument/thread I've ever seen" gets thrown around a lot here as a simple argumentative gambit, but your takes in this thread are completely, bizarrely wrong. Absolutely no GM of any hockey team that has ever existed wouldn't trade Slavin for McDavid. McDavid has carried the Oilers through at least half of every season for the last several years. He'd instantly make any team far better.

Incidentally I'm a Canucks fan with no attachment whatsoever to the Oilers who doesn't care about the Canes one way or another.
This stretch if nothing else has shown how valuable he is and how much McDavid can raise a teams level when he is at his best. This same roster has won 49 and 50 games for the past 2 seasons. With him not at his best they are basically one of the worst teams in the league.
 

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"This is the worst post/argument/thread I've ever seen" gets thrown around a lot here as a simple argumentative gambit, but your takes in this thread are completely, bizarrely wrong. Absolutely no GM of any hockey team that has ever existed wouldn't trade Slavin for McDavid. McDavid has carried the Oilers through at least half of every season for the last several years. He'd instantly make any team far better.

Incidentally I'm a Canucks fan with no attachment whatsoever to the Oilers who doesn't care about the Canes one way or another.
Slavin would immediately make the Oilers competent defensively

But he also plays a style that isn't at all valued by HFB so of course nobody gives a shit about him
 

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