Speculation: The All Encompassing Edmonton Oilers Thread

[VanillaCoke]

Fire Holland asap

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

anything hockey related coming from ESPN should be highly questioned as legitimate.

Damal does analytics or trying to draw conclusions based on RAPM? Ryan McDonough and Miller in the top 10 is questionable.

Both good but not top 10 defenders

 

[Old Boys Club]

All this thread needs to become the standard Oilers mainboard experience is that Spurgeon for Draisaitl guy to come in and post 3 pages of explanation that makes no sense.

 

[razor ray]

This is about 2 weeks too late.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Seems silly to have 18 different Oilers threads on the first page here, but here we are.

Can we just have one giant thread for all trades involving the Oilers for now?

What!!!! and deny posters the right to run down all the different oiler players in different threads? They may feel this unjustly restricts their rants

 

[Nucks2001]

No we are not over valuing McDavids value.

here is an article addressing THE BEST SHUTDOWN d-men in the league--it is from last season

Ranking the NHL’s best shutdown defensemen

In an era where scoring is booming, elite shutdown defenders are worth their weight in gold. Who are the NHL's best?

theathletic.com

Top D men from earlier this year

The NHL's best defensemen: Players, coaches, execs vote for the top 10

Where do Cale Makar, Roman Josi and Erik Karlsson land on the list? Here's what those inside the game think.

www.espn.co.uk

Lol do you actually watch Slavin or hockey for that matter? You would know that Slavin is the best shutdown guy in the league if you did. You don’t need some article from the Athletic that cherry picks advanced stats to know that. Also, your top 10 list has guys like Erik Karlsson and Dougie Hamilton. I would take Slavin over both and where are Hughes and Morrisey? Also your own top 10 list from “NHL Executives” states that Slavin is “widely considered the best defensive defenceman in the league.” Yet, you yourself state that he isn’t.

 

[DickSmehlik]

If you're starting a McDavid trade thread, don't bother unless it includes a massive haul of picks and prospects.

If they are trading McDavid, they are hitting the rest button IMO.

 

[ole ole]

you know it's bad when Habs fans that despise the Oilers and revel in their misery think your Oilers take is awful

It isn't awful. It's literally the worst thing i've ever seen on this board and that says a lot.

 

[MM917]

I don’t disagree that the price would be insane because from a PR perspective, you simply don’t trade a McDavid for anything less than another McDavid. Look at how the Gretzky trade turned out… the Oilers simply cannot go back to their fanbase with a sequel to that type of deal. So the easy answer is “McDavid won’t be traded, period”.

Strip away the fan/media politics and thinking of it as a pure hockey trade, I’m interested in knowing from the room here, does this deal make the Oilers a better hockey team than they are right now? Does it also make the Canes better?

It definitely doesn't make the Oilers a better hockey team. The only thing they have going for it at this point in McDavids ability to take over games to overcome the lack of talent around him.

Slavin alone does not fix the defense, the trade does nothing to address their lack of a goaltender. The Oiler need more than one or even two pieces to fix what is wrong with them which is why triyng a new coach or getting a new goalie the two most common suggestions don't work. Likewise with this deal adding a defenseman doesn't solve the problems either.

Maybe you could make the argument if you replace McDavid with Draisaitl that could be a deal considering but for me this (and likely no trade) makes no sense with McDavid in it.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Lol do you actually watch Slavin or hockey for that matter? You would know that Slavin is the best shutdown guy in the league if you did. You don’t need some article from the Athletic that cherry picks advanced stats to know that. Also, your top 10 list has guys like Erik Karlsson and Dougie Hamilton. I would take Slavin over both and where are Hughes and Morrisey? Also your own top 10 list from “NHL Executives” states that Slavin is “widely considered the best defensive defenceman in the league.” Yet, you yourself state that he isn’t.

One of the best ---the boston guy is considered the best

 

[The Real JT]

You'd be remembered league-wide forever for that, and not favourably. Like a Mike Milbury type.

I appreciate and support your input. Any post impugning Trader Mike’s GM abilities gets an automatic like from me.

And may your first child be a masculine child.

 

[frontsfan67]

I’ve lost braincells reading this. McDavids never getting traded. If they were to ever trade a guy it would be draisaitl

 

[Jacob]

The NHL should step in and run the team as a conservatorship.

 

[Stickpucker]

It isn't awful. It's literally the worst thing i've ever seen on this board and that says a lot.

Were you here for Ryder + Halak + 2nd?

 

[ole ole]

Were you here for Ryder + Halak + 2nd?

Nothing compares to .... I wouldn't trade Slavin straight up for McDavid. NOTHING.

 

[BB88]

Look at the standings. What's that offensive superstar doing for you?

Defense wins championships, and Slavin is every bit as good at erasing goals as McDavid is at creating them.

You trade Slavin for McDavid and Aho for the best Dman you can get

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Edmonton should trade its 2nd to Montreal for the Habs 3rd. Shake things up a bit.

 

[tarheelhockey]

huh, getting goalied hey, almost like the best forward on the planet might be able to help that. Ah well, at least you've got Slavin amirite

To be clear, all I did in this thread was ask the question “does this make both teams better”?

 

[Double Dion]

Carolina would be insane to make that trade. Aho alone likely has a similar effect on winning to McDavid. Then they are throwing in the best shutdown D that can also move the puck in the league for free.

 

[rocketdan9]

1st trade
To Oilers: Ullmark, Geekie, Merkulov
To Bruins: Hyman, McLeod
_________________________________________________________
Other Bruins trade proposals

2nd trade
To Canucks: McLeod, Lysell
To Bruins: Blueger, Raty,

3rd trade
To Blackhawks: Forbort
To Bruins: Joey Anderson
_________________________________________________________

- Bruins lineup

Marchand Zacha Pasta
Hyman Poitras Debrusk
JVR Coyle Frederic
Lucic Beecher Lauko

Lohrei McAvoy
Lindholm Carlo
Grz Shattenkirk

Swayman
Bussi

 

[I am Bettman]

2nd and 3rd trades aren’t necessary imo, just needless lateral moves. Remove McLeod and Geekie from the first deal and it’s good.

 

[Mrfenn92]

doesn’t seem that good for Boston. At least the first trade.

 

[MM917]

Brutal for Boston, the first trade

 

[Boondock]

1st trade
To Oilers: Ullmark, Geekie, Merkulov
To Bruins: Hyman, McLeod
_________________________________________________________
Other Bruins trade proposals

2nd trade
To Canucks: McLeod, Lysell
To Bruins: Blueger, Raty,

3rd trade
To Blackhawks: Forbort
To Bruins: Joey Anderson
_________________________________________________________

- Bruins lineup

Marchand Zacha Pasta
Hyman Poitras Debrusk
JVR Coyle Frederic
Lucic Beecher Lauko

Lohrei McAvoy
Lindholm Carlo
Grz Shattenkirk

Swayman
Bussi

As a canuck fan I would accept trade #2 without any hesitation which makes me think its a bit lop-sided for Vancouver. I enjoyed watching Lysell in junior here in Vancouver 2021-22 so I'm high on him. McLeod and Blueger are kind of a wash.

 

[ElPrimeTime]

So that Drai/Spurgeon trade offer got me thinking and pondering if there was a way for the Oilers to actually get Spurgeon, without Drai of course in a drastic win-now type move.

3 Team Deal:
To Edmonton: Jared Spurgeon, Marc-Andre Fleury (50% retention), Patrick Maroon (50% retention)
To Minnesota: Evan Bouchard, Xavier Bourgault, Matvei Petrov, Mattias Janmark, Petr Mrazek, 2024 1st round pick (EDM), 2024 2nd round pick (EDM)
To Chicago: Jack Campbell, Vincent Desharnais, Carter Savoie/Raphael Lavoie, 2025 1st round pick (EDM)

Rationale:
- Edmonton gets their top pairing RHD, starting G for the season and a solid veteran for the bottom six, both Fleury and Maroon are UFAs at the end of the year.
- Minnesota gets Bouchard, two of the Oilers top prospects, 2024 1st and a 2024 2nd. Mrazek and Janmark replace Fleury and Maroon and are free agents at the end of the year
- Chicago picks up a 2025 1st, one of the Oilers better prospects, a young RHD and no cap difference for the season swapping Campbell with Mrazek. Campbell's buy out at the end of the year isn't terrible either with savings in the next 3 seasons and a $1.5M cap hit for 3 seasons

Obviously there are NMCs involved with the Wild players, but hopefully they can be convinced to waive. Spurgeon is from Edmonton, Maroon seemed to enjoy his time here and Fleury would get to be the starter.

Oilers Lines:

Kane - McDavid - McLeod
Holloway - Drai - Foegele
Hyman - Nuge - Gagner
Maroon - Ryan - Brown

Nurse - Spurgeon
Ekholm - Broberg
Kulak - Ceci

Fleury
Skinner