The "22" Overall Pick Thread

[eco's bones]

In reality, it’s probably a little too far out to speculate right now, since we’re still waiting to find out where these conditional picks are going to fall. And with Arizona, Stepan had term when they traded for him, but they also traded for Goligoski’s rights before FA and convinced him to sign there before testing the market, Kreider would’ve had the most goals on that team by a wide margin (mostly due to their injuries), but with Kreider and those same injuries to him and their players, they’re a playoff team this year. Maybe they think a full year and Stepan doing some convincing will get him to re-up there, maybe not, but it might not be that far fetched for a team really trying to take that next step, and if he doesn’t want to resign, they have a guy that’ll be in demand at the deadline.

And now that I’m thinking about it, it would be a similar sort of thing to Ferland and Carolina this season

That's true--kind of chickens that haven't quite hatched yet.

If I'm Edmonton I'm thinking Krebs (an Alberta guy with a non-stop motor and high IQ) or Zegras. These guys are almost certainly gone by 14. I'd much rather cut to the chase and not use another team as a middle man--the more teams involved---the greater chance something goes wrong or it falls through and maybe falls through half way there which might leave you somewhere you don't want to be.

As for Stepan--I don't think he's quite the same player he was when he was with us. Something like this would happen maybe a day or two before or on draft day and personally if I'm Kreider I would be leaning strongly towards free agency. Pick your team--make it a winner and get as much cash and term as you can. That's what I would do--what he would do might be different.

 

[eco's bones]

The last significant jump I can think of was in 2008. The Kings dealt the 17th and 28th picks to Anaheim for #12. So I think 13 or 14 and the Jets pick -- assuming they get knocked out by the Blues -- is probably around the right value to get to #8. If the Jets pick stays around 22 it might be a little light and something else would have to be added. 14 & 22 is probably too little, but 14 and 19 might do it.

The question is whether or not the Oilers want to move back that far. Ideally the Rangers can do it without taking back a bad contract or anything

It might--it might not. I mean if we're willing to give those pieces to get another top 10--that says we value a player we can pick there more than two others we could pick just a little later. Our potential target team might think the same as us.

 

[Draft Guru]

I'd put money on us moving up. Ideally in the top 10, but at least into the 12-14 range. It all depends on how badly they like somebody who's still on the board. We have the ammunition to make a deal and I really think Gorton will be aggressive this draft.

Honestly the first thing I would do is relentlessly call Colorado and figure out what it would take to acquire that #4 pick. Obviously as the draft gets closer we'll know exactly what picks we have to dangle, but as a playoff team with their best players just hitting that 23-24 year old sweet spot they may be interested in "advancing" their rebuild a bit rather than wait on another 18 year old. Kreider would be of interest to them, as could Georgiev. It would take a big package, but if we could come out of this draft with Kakko at #2 and Cozens at #4 we'd be sitting real pretty for the next decade.

 

[n8]

IF Winnepeg is booted early and we know we are picking at #22, this is essentially "name your top 20 and pick any of them that drop because someone else made a reach pick"
So players I don't see any chance of us getting at #22 in a not really ranked list
Hughes, Kakko, Cozens, Turcotte, Dach, Zegras, Krebs, Boldy, Podkolzin, Byram, Broberg, Soderstrom, York, Seider - these players may not all go in the top 13 but I feel like they'll all be gone by 20.

So my remaining list (and some of these are players are also likely to be gone by 20 but could still drop)
Caufield, Newhook, Kaliyev, Harley, Suzuki, Heinola

 

[True Blue]

That's is my opinion. I have never thought Edmonton was a landing place for Kreider.

You are not wrong. People are presuming that Edmonton goes all in to appease McDavid. McDavid is not going anywhere for a while.

 

[True Blue]

Andersson is still young, but he looks like a bust so far.

Dude, he's 20 having his first season in North America. Can we please have a little perspective?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Andersson is still young, but he looks like a bust so far.

But he's playing in the NHL at his age unlike Giroux, Barzal, Scheifele, Couture, Pavelski, Stone, Hoffman, Schenn and many others.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

will probably need to trade up with it to get somebody very good.

 

[Good Intentions]

But he's playing in the NHL at his age unlike Giroux, Barzal, Scheifele, Couture, Pavelski, Stone, Hoffman, Schenn and many others.[/QUOTE
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So did Manny Malhotra.

If Lias’ supposedly high character is anything like Malhotra’s, I suspect that may become a vital aspect in keeping him in the league.

Malhotra’s character, Namestnikov’s game, that’s what he looks like to me barring any significant improvement . Keeping an open mind, but I would be shocked if the skating drastically improves or the offense comes.

At this point, I’d give the pick a D because of the spot. Sorry.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

So did Manny Malhotra.

If Lias’ supposedly high character is anything like Malhotra’s, I suspect that may become a vital aspect in keeping him in the league.

Malhotra’s character, Namestnikov’s game, that’s what he looks like to me barring any significant improvement . Keeping an open mind, but I would be shocked if the skating drastically improves or the offense comes.

At this point, I’d give the pick a D because of the spot. Sorry.

Lias isn't eligible to play junior hockey and tear it up against 16 year olds, like those guys I mentioned. It's too early to call him a bust.

If he does not have an NHL career, it will be because of his (lack of) development over the next few years. Not because he only has a handful of goals in 45 games this season.

 

[n8]

take it to the Lias thread

 

[eco's bones]

I'd put money on us moving up. Ideally in the top 10, but at least into the 12-14 range. It all depends on how badly they like somebody who's still on the board. We have the ammunition to make a deal and I really think Gorton will be aggressive this draft.

Honestly the first thing I would do is relentlessly call Colorado and figure out what it would take to acquire that #4 pick. Obviously as the draft gets closer we'll know exactly what picks we have to dangle, but as a playoff team with their best players just hitting that 23-24 year old sweet spot they may be interested in "advancing" their rebuild a bit rather than wait on another 18 year old. Kreider would be of interest to them, as could Georgiev. It would take a big package, but if we could come out of this draft with Kakko at #2 and Cozens at #4 we'd be sitting real pretty for the next decade.

What if the goalie the Avalanche wanted was Shestyorkin instead? It's an idea--I think Kreider more likely to re-sign with Colorado than Arizona. Playing with MacKinnon, Rantanen, Landeskog and Barrie pretty much beats what Arizona has.

 

[eco's bones]

I started doing a mock yesterday but ended after 14 because there were just too many possibilities for Montreal at 15. It went like this:

NJD 1. Hughes
Ran 2. Kakko
Chi 3. Bowen
Colo 4. Cozens
LAK 5. Dach
Det 6. Turcotte
Buf 7. Boldy
Edm8. Krebs
Ana 9. Zegras
Van10. Newhook--go with the BCHL kid.
Phil 11. Podkolzin--he falls--the above teams don't want to wait two years or more to get their player.
Min 12. Soderstrom
Fla 13. Knight--their goaltending picture now and for the future isn't pretty.
Ariz 14. Broberg

At 15 Montreal has a number of shooters they might look at Dorofeyev, Caufield, Kaliyev, Brink--they have Suzuki's brother already in the fold, they might go with the Quebec kid Lavoie--and there is Seider a big right handed d-man or York. I couldn't make up my mind what they'd do.

 

[Good Intentions]

Lias isn't eligible to play junior hockey and tear it up against 16 year olds, like those guys I mentioned. It's too early to call him a bust.

If he does not have an NHL career, it will be because of his (lack of) development over the next few years. Not because he only has a handful of goals in 45 games this season.

Certainly, it can still work out.

Curious. In a redraft, where would you have him?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Certainly, it can still work out.

Curious. In a redraft, where would you have him?

Around 10-12.

Anyway, let's get back on topic. The WPG 1st round pick. I hope they go for forwards with their selections in the 1st round

 

[Kovalev27]

Depending on which forward falls I think gorton will be ready to pull the trigger to move up if the guy he wants is there in the 9 to 15 range

 

[True Blue]

will probably need to trade up with it to get somebody very good.

Someone like say, Kakko?

# WeNeverGetaGoodDraftPick

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Around 10-12.

Anyway, let's get back on topic. The WPG 1st round pick. I hope they go for forwards with their selections in the 1st round

you like Hoglander?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

you like Hoglander?

Meh. Not a bad pick, but not the one I'd go with, I think Albin Eriksson is the better Swede in that range. But I would go with Dorofeyev with the WPG pick. I've said it all season

 

[broadwayblue]

What if the goalie the Avalanche wanted was Shestyorkin instead? It's an idea--I think Kreider more likely to re-sign with Colorado than Arizona. Playing with MacKinnon, Rantanen, Landeskog and Barrie pretty much beats what Arizona has.

Shestyorkin is someone I really don't want to trade. I know you have to give to get, and if that means we can't get the #4 pick then so be it. If the target is Cozens, there is still a shot at landing him at 5 or 6. I'd prefer to move Kreider for a later top 10 pick (7, 8 or 9) and draft Zegras or Turcotte. That would be a great pair to build around, and we'd still have a potential top flight starting goalie in Shestyorkin to develop.

 

[Draft Guru]

Shestyorkin is someone I really don't want to trade. I know you have to give to get, and if that means we can't get the #4 pick then so be it. If the target is Cozens, there is still a shot at landing him at 5 or 6. I'd prefer to move Kreider for a later top 10 pick (7, 8 or 9) and draft Zegras or Turcotte. That would be a great pair to build around, and we'd still have a potential top flight starting goalie in Shestyorkin to develop.

I wouldn't want to deal Shestyorkin either. I don't think the Rangers would ever consider it until they see him with a solid sample size of NHL games under his belt. All signs point to him being the real deal. It'd be way too risky to trade him right now.

I'm targeting Colorado at 4 for Cozens because 1) I don't think he falls past Colorado (assuming Chicago takes the D-man) and 2) I don't see any way the Kings or Red Wings deal their pick at 5 or 6.

But this is assuming the Rangers are as high on Cozens as I am.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I wouldn't want to deal Shestyorkin either. I don't think the Rangers would ever consider it until they see him with a solid sample size of NHL games under his belt. All signs point to him being the real deal. It'd be way too risky to trade him right now.

I'm targeting Colorado at 4 for Cozens because 1) I don't think he falls past Colorado (assuming Chicago takes the D-man) and 2) I don't see any way the Kings or Red Wings deal their pick at 5 or 6.

But this is assuming the Rangers are as high on Cozens as I am.

Yep. ESPECIALLY if Makar steps right in to help Colorado beat Calgary, and they surprise to go far in the POs. Does Sakic want to hold on to the 4 to pick a kid who may be ready to contribute at a high level in 3-4 more years? Or would he rather take Kreider-plus to go for it next year (especially if he can get Kreids to extend) to build upon this year's success? I think there's a good chance there's something to be done there. The question, of course, is what the "plus" would be...

 

[eco's bones]

I wouldn't want to deal Shestyorkin either. I don't think the Rangers would ever consider it until they see him with a solid sample size of NHL games under his belt. All signs point to him being the real deal. It'd be way too risky to trade him right now.

I'm targeting Colorado at 4 for Cozens because 1) I don't think he falls past Colorado (assuming Chicago takes the D-man) and 2) I don't see any way the Kings or Red Wings deal their pick at 5 or 6.

But this is assuming the Rangers are as high on Cozens as I am.

All signs point to Georgiev being the real deal too. Just saying Alex and Igor are the same size--same age. Georgiev's been here two years already and he absolutely stole several games this year. I'm not sure that Shestyorkin has ever seen the kind of bombings that Georgiev has faced either. Personally though if I'm trading both of Kreider/Georgiev or Kreider/Shestyorkin for the 4OA I'd like to see Colorado add something pretty decent to that pick.

 

[Joey Bones]

Why is this a thread? There is already a discussion on this in the draft thread....

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Why is this a thread? There is already a discussion on this in the draft thread....

I am just disappointed there isn't a thread on the Columbus 4th rounder