The "22" Overall Pick Thread

[bl02]

They're going to use this pick to get into the top 10.

Trading with who? Edmonton?

 

[Ghost of jas]

Trading with who? Edmonton?

I don't think they're a match for Edmonton. I think Kreider goes to Arizona. and then 14 and this pick plus something else goes to a team that's not Edmonton.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Kaliyev if he is still there for me.

 

[Leetch3]

I don't think they're a match for Edmonton. I think Kreider goes to Arizona. and then 14 and this pick plus something else goes to a team that's not Edmonton.

You are such a tease

 

[Ghost of jas]

You are such a tease

That's is my opinion. I have never thought Edmonton was a landing place for Kreider.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

That's is my opinion. I have never thought Edmonton was a landing place for Kreider.

Edmonton could be an option if Kreider is dealt for a pick in the teens straight up, and then say that pick and Winnipeg’s are packaged to get into the top 10. Edmonton might also be able to use Vesey, not that he’d have any big trade value

 

[Ghost of jas]

Edmonton could be an option if Kreider is dealt for a pick in the teens straight up, and then say that pick and Winnipeg’s are packaged to get into the top 10. Edmonton might also be able to use Vesey, not that he’d have any big trade value

Do you give up Buchnevich or Andersson with one of the picks, and does that satisfy Edmonton. I keep going back to both Detroit and LA being very interested in Andersson in 2017.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Do you give up Buchnevich or Andersson with one of the picks, and does that satisfy Edmonton. I keep going back to both Detroit and LA being very interested in Andersson in 2017.

Andersson is a tougher pill to swallow (I know not for some around here) but I’d reeeeeally give it some thought if Detroit or LA was willing to do say 5/6OA for Andersson+a first in the teens

 

[Kocur Dill]

Honestly, I don't care about the position the Rangers take. At this point they need help everywhere. You take the best player period regardless of position. If they have 5 superior RW's as prospects, than good on them. No matter how you slice it, not every prospect turns out how you expect.

That being said, I sure hope there will be a center that slips through the cracks to where ever this pick is in the draft order or the Rangers can use it as currency to trade up and maybe get a top center prospect Zegras/Turcotte or someone of that ilk that may possibly be available in the 9-12 area. Probably wishful thinking on my part.

RW and RD always seem to be the most in demand positions. If we load up on RW, that gives us an asset to trade for an established need once we are in playoff competition.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

We're finally seeing the potential from Buch, let's not trade him!

 

[Kovalev27]

Wait there’s a big difference between Andersson and Buchnevich. I wouldn’t want to give up Buchy. Andersson id do in a heartbeat.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

Andersson is still young, but he looks like a bust so far.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Wait there’s a big difference between Andersson and Buchnevich. I wouldn’t want to give up Buchy. Andersson id do in a heartbeat.

We know

Andersson is still young, but he looks like a bust so far.

No he doesn’t

 

[Lone Ranger]

Andersson is still young, but he looks like a bust so far.

He doesn't look like a bust. He looks like a 20 year old learning to compete against the best players in the world. It can take time.

 

[Trxjw]

I'd be a bit surprised if the Rangers made the Jets pick. Just feels like it's in a spot where moving up makes the most sense, or maybe packaging it to get a good young player back.

 

[JCProdigy]

I'd be a bit surprised if the Rangers made the Jets pick. Just feels like it's in a spot where moving up makes the most sense, or maybe packaging it to get a good young player back.

I'm the opposite. I'd be surprised if the Rangers traded up with that pick. Not because they wouldn't want to, but because it's not necessarily easy to find somebody to agree to trade with.

For every reason the Rangers would want to trade up, there is a reason the other team would not want to trade down. Of course, we will see in the end but I'm just trying to give a public service announcement so ppl aren't so disappointed when they don't move up.

 

[Off Sides]

Do you give up Buchnevich or Andersson with one of the picks, and does that satisfy Edmonton. I keep going back to both Detroit and LA being very interested in Andersson in 2017.

No to either player, but I'd give up a later 1st along with Kreider to move up, and take back short term cap hit(s) which about equal his hit so they are basically getting Kreider for only a small cap hit above those dumps.

Very much depends on who is left on the board at time of trade. Yet a Center or LW with a ceiling of top line, then yes.

Does not have to be Edmonton or any specific team, just whoever has the pick where that C or LW ceiling is there.

This draft could break right, or not. Kreider's clause would play a part too if not nullify the whole idea.

And yes I think that is an overpay, yet I'm not trying to win that deal one for one vacuum, trying to make things line up so the stockpiling has better odds.

 

[Trxjw]

I'm the opposite. I'd be surprised if the Rangers traded up with that pick. Not because they wouldn't want to, but because it's not necessarily easy to find somebody to agree to trade with.

For every reason the Rangers would want to trade up, there is a reason the other team would not want to trade down. Of course, we will see in the end but I'm just trying to give a public service announcement so ppl aren't so disappointed when they don't move up.

You're absolutely right about that. It's hard to trade up. However, I think a lot of it depends on the draft and the assets at your disposal. This is another draft where everything outside of the top-10 or 12 is sort of all over the place depending on who you talk to. Additionally, the Rangers have 3 2nd round picks at their disposal as it stands right now and have made a lot of draft picks over the last two years. They've shown a willingness to cash in a pick to get up and take their guy.

But again, you're correct. It's not an easy thing to move up.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I'm the opposite. I'd be surprised if the Rangers traded up with that pick. Not because they wouldn't want to, but because it's not necessarily easy to find somebody to agree to trade with.

For every reason the Rangers would want to trade up, there is a reason the other team would not want to trade down. Of course, we will see in the end but I'm just trying to give a public service announcement so ppl aren't so disappointed when they don't move up.

Plenty of reasons. There are a number of teams in the top 7-15 who didn’t think they were gonna be in the lottery, are desperate to make the playoffs, and know that any players they would take in that spot isn’t going to help them get there next year.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Plenty of reasons. There are a number of teams in the top 7-15 who didn’t think they were gonna be in the lottery, are desperate to make the playoffs, and know that any players they would take in that spot isn’t going to help them get there next year.

I am of the opinion that the Rangers will do what ever they can to get back into the top 10.

... But when was the last time a team actually traded out off the top 10 when it didn't involve an NHL player?

 

[BroadwayStorm]

Now that we are going to get a top end offensive prospect at 2 I am not nearly as upset about the Andersson pick and it is much easier for me to be patient with him and I know I am not the only one. I would not trade him now. You still need glue guys and players who are winners and by all accounts he is captain material and one of those tough sobs that are hard to play against. Now he can focus more on developing his all around game instead of focusing on scoring which is frustrating him. I would not trade him now. Plus even if we did his trade value may have lowered. I feel there is more value in keeping Andersson than adding him as a throw in in another deal just to get another center.

That being said, I would much prefer drafting a sniper or another defenseman with that WPG pick. I am not worried about trading up for a top ten pick. The only way that is happening is with this pick and Kreider + being thrown around. And why waste assets? We are not there yet.

 

[bl02]

What happened to Suzuki? remember reading about him about going really high in this draft

 

[eco's bones]

Edmonton could be an option if Kreider is dealt for a pick in the teens straight up, and then say that pick and Winnipeg’s are packaged to get into the top 10. Edmonton might also be able to use Vesey, not that he’d have any big trade value

The 20 and the 14 for the 8. Maybe--but I don't know if Edmonton does that if they're really solid on their guy. To me there's a dropoff around 10 or 11. The other thing--does Arizona take Kreider for their 14th knowing that he's going into his contract year? I'm thinking they'd want some kind of guarantee. If you look at Stepan he had years left on his contract.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

The 20 and the 14 for the 8. Maybe--but I don't know if Edmonton does that if they're really solid on their guy. To me there's a dropoff around 10 or 11. The other thing--does Arizona take Kreider for their 14th knowing that he's going into his contract year? I'm thinking they'd want some kind of guarantee. If you look at Stepan he had years left on his contract.

In reality, it’s probably a little too far out to speculate right now, since we’re still waiting to find out where these conditional picks are going to fall. And with Arizona, Stepan had term when they traded for him, but they also traded for Goligoski’s rights before FA and convinced him to sign there before testing the market, Kreider would’ve had the most goals on that team by a wide margin (mostly due to their injuries), but with Kreider and those same injuries to him and their players, they’re a playoff team this year. Maybe they think a full year and Stepan doing some convincing will get him to re-up there, maybe not, but it might not be that far fetched for a team really trying to take that next step, and if he doesn’t want to resign, they have a guy that’ll be in demand at the deadline.

And now that I’m thinking about it, it would be a similar sort of thing to Ferland and Carolina this season

 

[Trxjw]

The last significant jump I can think of was in 2008. The Kings dealt the 17th and 28th picks to Anaheim for #12. So I think 13 or 14 and the Jets pick -- assuming they get knocked out by the Blues -- is probably around the right value to get to #8. If the Jets pick stays around 22 it might be a little light and something else would have to be added. 14 & 22 is probably too little, but 14 and 19 might do it.

The question is whether or not the Oilers want to move back that far. Ideally the Rangers can do it without taking back a bad contract or anything