The 2024 TRADE DEADLINE Thread

[LongTimeDRWF]

Yzerman is the kind of guy to wait for someone to blink. I wouldn't be surprised if he was waiting for someone like Armstrong to panic at 2:30 and he'll happily let the deadline pass if that doesn't happen.

As he should, with the low prices it makes little sense to sell, unless it is a spare D, if he comes across a deal too good to resist, then he'll be all over it.

The key item this year is the team is good enough to not be a hard seller, the rebuild progresses, maybe not as fast as some folks would like, but making the playoffs this year is a solid step forward in the process, even if they miss and still have a 95 point season, it is huge stride forward.

I think they still have a great chance (>80%) to get into the dance this year, without external adds.

Bring up a three from GR before season end, depending on Ed's potential bonus for winning the Calder, maybe call him up with 3 games left in season (I think 4 more regular season games will make him ineligible), the Wings really need to have some AlJo time to see what they got, so call him up first.

The Griffins are still pretty loaded even if SY calls up Bergers (do this today if not traded), AlJo and eventually Ed if they are going to be regulars next year.

That still leaves one call up spot open.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

This is a poor reason to make a move.

If the wings fail to make the playoffs, it’s because they didn’t play well enough. The optics argument doesn’t hold water.

It’s not extreme confidence, it’s more that make a deal to make a deal isn’t helpful and the odds of making a super impactful deal are slim to none because the Wings want to let the players they’ve acquired by being patient to grow with the team instead of dumping them in a deal.

They’re not at the point where adding a Glendening level guy does a f***in thing for them and they’re also not at a point where it is very logical to throw Ed, AlJo, etc into a bigger trade unless the guy is the exact right fit.

To be fair...I said making a forced move is the wrong call

 

[SirloinUB]

This is a poor reason to make a move.

If the wings fail to make the playoffs, it’s because they didn’t play well enough. The optics argument doesn’t hold water.

It’s not extreme confidence, it’s more that make a deal to make a deal isn’t helpful and the odds of making a super impactful deal are slim to none because the Wings want to let the players they’ve acquired by being patient to grow with the team instead of dumping them in a deal.

They’re not at the point where adding a Glendening level guy does a f***in thing for them and they’re also not at a point where it is very logical to throw Ed, AlJo, etc into a bigger trade unless the guy is the exact right fit.

There is real value in giving the team a "boost" and it doesn't necessarily have to be the biggest names out there. Smartly, adding an asset would give the dressing room and coaching staff a vote of confidence. That's not nothing and can positively contribute to organizational momentum.

I would agree that somebody like Glendening doesn't really achieve that though.

 

[FMichael]

He'd be a good fit but I don't think it would be that cheap. Probably cost a 1st.

One "cheap" name I keep coming back to is Jason Zucker. He is not an yzerman type but he has consistently put up solid puck possession numbers and scored 27 goals. He would add some skill puck possession and playmaking to the bottom/Middle 6. The downside is he another diminutive winger without great defence or physciallity.

Full cap would probably cost us a 3rd or 4th round pick.

Trade something like a 1st Wallinder Berggren and Petry/Holl for Parayako

Kane Larkin DBC
Perron Compher Ray
Zucker Veleno/Copp Sprong
Fischer Veleno/Copp Ras

Walman Seider
Chairot Parayko
Maatta Ghost
Holl/Petry

To me this (or something similar) strikes the balance of giving the team a boost but keeping the focus on the future. Id love Buchnevich or Vatrano but they will cost significantly more than someone like Zucker.


Someone else brought up Foligno. I like that idea as well. Definitely more of an Yzerman type. Maybe get him and Zucker for a couple of mid round picks. Fischer could be the 13th forward.

Re Foligno: that feels like a Toronto move

No thank you.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

There is real value in giving the team a "boost" and it doesn't necessarily have to be the biggest names out there. Smartly, adding an asset would give the dressing room and coaching staff a vote of confidence. That's not nothing and can positively contribute to organizational momentum.

I would agree that somebody like Glendening doesn't really achieve that though.

I don't think anyone is saying don't make a move. I think people are just acknowledging it takes two to tango and you can't just force a trade for a player you want. I would like to to see a real hockey move today that helps now and in the future, but I also recognize it won't be the end of the world if that transaction does not materialize.

 

[Air Budd Dwyer]

I’m completely fine with Yzerman standing pat this year. There isn’t a move he can make that’s going to push this team over the top into a cup contender. I’d even be ok with him selling a couple guys, like Ghost or maybe Perron, depending what he can get back.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

He'd be a good fit but I don't think it would be that cheap. Probably cost a 1st.

Yeah, it's wishful thinking.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

Force bad trades so we can all complain. That's what we really want right?!

 

[Hawaiibros]

Hearing Raymond could be on the move to edm in a package for drai. Not close to being done, but discussions are being made.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Force bad trades so we can all complain. That's what we really want right?!

I can not express this more vehemently... that is the complete opposite of what everyone is saying

 

[Henkka]

Was quite surprised, how low he has fallen.

 

[SirloinUB]

Re Foligno: that feels like a Toronto move

No thank you.

A Toronto move is trading a 1st + for him.

Foligno would be a much better version of Kostin. For the right price I think its a great add. I wouldn't want to give up more than a 3rd or 4th.

 

[saska sault]

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Was quite surprised, how low he has fallen.

A guy that can give up that much on any team, should be a huge red flag regardless of his talent. Brindamour seems like the kind of coach who would hate this guy.

 

[FMichael]

A Toronto move is trading a 1st + for him.

Foligno would be a much better version of Kostin. For the right price I think its a great add. I wouldn't want to give up more than a 3rd or 4th.

Well you do have a point regarding Kostin...And we currently have a former Maple Leaf Holl on the roster

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Was quite surprised, how low he has fallen.

A guy that can give up that much on any team, should be a huge red flag regardless of his talent. Brindamour seems like the kind of coach who would hate this guy.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

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Was quite surprised, how low he has fallen.

I would have given a third for him...

 

[Henkka]

Hearing Raymond could be on the move to edm in a package for drai. Not close to being done, but discussions are being made.

WTF ?

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

WTF ?

Low effort trolling.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

Hearing Raymond could be on the move to edm in a package for drai. Not close to being done, but discussions are being made.

Yzerman would never overpay for a lesser player like Drai...

 

[FMichael]

Hearing Raymond could be on the move to edm in a package for drai. Not close to being done, but discussions are being made.

 

[Ricelund]

Toffoli to Winnipeg

 

[Henkka]

Toffoli to Winnipeg

Okay.

So CAR and WPG did fill their cap with secondary options.

Now it's time for Buchnevich to Detroit.

 

[Perfect Human]

Last year the team didn’t do enough to keep their buddies around. I think that is the only difference this year to last in regard to the TDL. This year the team has done enough to not sell, but that doesn’t mean they did enough to buy

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

Three options:
Buying is sexy. Selling is conservative. Standing pat is boring.

 

[Detroit Knights]

The two Blues guys are interesting to me as neither would be a rental. Buch is signed for another year and would add an aspect to our top 6 that is currently missing. He could also temp in for Larkin in the center position. Parayko gives up a RD that we could pair either with Ed or Chiarot next year to really help stabilize our D.

Stevie would have to move out salary to make this happen though. Fabbri and either Holl or Maata would 100% have to go.

But next year that'd give us something like:

DBC-Larkin-Kane
Buch-Compher-Ray
Ras-Copp-Fischer
Kostin-Kasper-UFA

Seider-Walman
Parayko-Ed
Chiarot-Petry
Aljo

I'm assuming Sprong, Fabbri, Veleno, Berggren, Maata, and Holl would be traded or not resigned. Sprong I want back but I feel like his is going to want too much.

That defense is pretty damn good.

 

[Dotter]

Given how well the team has played this year after almost a decade of irrelevancy, if Sy stands pat and the team fails to make the playoffs, you think that could send the wrong message not only to the players in the locker room but across the league?

Optics are huge in business..

No need to make a forced move that much is obvious..

I'm just not sure that standing pat looks like extreme coinfidence as opposed to mailing it in.

Nope. Yzerman gave the team the tools to win. At some point the boys on the ice who lace them up have to take accountability for failing. They have shown they can play. They haven't shown they can play consistently.

Accountability is what these players need, not optics.