The 2024-2025 Roster Thread

[Jacob582]

What line is that?

For a conditioning he can
Peterka lost waiver exemption, Quinn still has it. So he can get sent down.

You mean Kulich? I don't believe Quinn is exempt from waivers.

 

[Djp]

You mean Kulich? I don't believe Quinn is exempt from waivers.

For ELCs signed at 18 it’s 3 yrs of the ELC unless they hit 160 g as a skater. Peterka just went over 160, Quinn is around 112.

 

[old kummelweck]

Peterka lost waiver exemption, Quinn still has it. So he can get sent down.

Woah. This would be a huge wake-up call. I wonder if they would do it? If they truly are working in a system of accountability and reward, he should be sent down.

 

[Ace]

McLeod has the same xGF% as Cozens. If he's passing an eye test it's because he's scored some timely goals, and is generally getting difficult deployment.

1. The deployment part matters a lot. McLeod is getting much harder zone starts than Cozens. Having the same xGF% as a guy being set up with far easier starts it isn’t a victory lap for the player failing to do better with it. Cozens gets to start in position to score…and doesn’t. And isn’t expected to more than a guy starting on the other side of the rink against the top competition. That’s a bad number for cozens. Not proof he’s doing well. At the very least…it’s an incredible number for McLeod. Either way it isn’t a “look how good Cozens has been, actually” number.

2. No one said he hasn’t had chances. They’ve said, accurately, his stick is where those chances go to die. Every single one this year, and he was leading the team in SOG as of a couple games ago, has been a wasted opportunity. Finishing matters. I don’t give a solitary f*** how often the center on this team with the softest deployment is supposed to score when he doesn’t score any. I care a lot when that person never does. Outside of his magical shooting percentage in a contract year…Cozens isn’t a finisher. Hasn’t been. Isn’t. And until people normalize that that year was the outlier and not every other one is who he actually is…we are just spinning our wheels. They paid him for what he isn’t. Sucks. Can’t keep throwing good time after bad money

3. He’s a f***ing winger.

 

[dortt]

at what point does Power get moved to the #1 PP and displace Dahlin to the #2?

 

[Dreakon13]

I'd kinda like to see some combination of Benson-Cozens-Kulich ... I dunno who if either are playing on their off wing, but I feel like Benson and Kulich could win enough puck battles and make enough happen to get Cozens going.

I wouldn't want to break any other lines up, and both Cozens and Quinn need to sit for a little while but I'll take my chances with Cozens for the moment since he's at least getting shots off sometimes lol

 

[Zman5778]

at what point does Power get moved to the #1 PP and displace Dahlin to the #2?

Exactly never.

 

[dortt]

Exactly never.

even if Power keeps up nearly a point per game pace and Dahlin struggles?

Do we want a real team or just our favorites to get the ice time?

 

[Chainshot]

at what point does Power get moved to the #1 PP and displace Dahlin to the #2?

I mean, they were running both Dahlin and Power on PP1 and Byram on PP2 for a time.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

1. The deployment part matters a lot. McLeod is getting much harder zone starts than Cozens. Having the same xGF% as a guy being set up with far easier starts it isn’t a victory lap for the player failing to do better with it. Cozens gets to start in position to score…and doesn’t. And isn’t expected to more than a guy starting on the other side of the rink against the top competition. That’s a bad number for cozens. Not proof he’s doing well. At the very least…it’s an incredible number for McLeod. Either way it isn’t a “look how good Cozens has been, actually” number.

2. No one said he hasn’t had chances. They’ve said, accurately, his stick is where those chances go to die. Every single one this year, and he was leading the team in SOG as of a couple games ago, has been a wasted opportunity. Finishing matters. I don’t give a solitary f*** how often the center on this team with the softest deployment is supposed to score when he doesn’t score any. I care a lot when that person never does. Outside of his magical shooting percentage in a contract year…Cozens isn’t a finisher. Hasn’t been. Isn’t. And until people normalize that that year was the outlier and not every other one is who he actually is…we are just spinning our wheels. They paid him for what he isn’t. Sucks. Can’t keep throwing good time after bad money

3. He’s a f***ing winger.

So my original post wasn't designed as a defense of Cozens so much as it points out people are exceedingly happy with McLeod because he's scored some timely goals on low percentage shots.

 

[Ace]

So my original post wasn't designed as a defense of Cozens so much as it points out people are exceedingly happy with McLeod because he's scored some timely goals on low percentage shots.

It still discounts that he’s doing it against harder competition with much a harder deployment. If he was in Cozens spot…he’d have an increased expected goals just due to usage. Not shooting 0% isn’t a negative.

 

[MOGlLNY]

“Cozens is snakebit” has been said multiple times a season the last 3 seasons. Guy just can’t finish

 

[DapperCam]

“Cozens is snakebit” has been said multiple times a season the last 3 seasons. Guy just can’t finish

He has stone hands, and I don't think that will ever change. But he has a nice shot. He needs to figure out a way to use his shot to score.

 

[GellMann]

1. The deployment part matters a lot. McLeod is getting much harder zone starts than Cozens. Having the same xGF% as a guy being set up with far easier starts it isn’t a victory lap for the player failing to do better with it. Cozens gets to start in position to score…and doesn’t. And isn’t expected to more than a guy starting on the other side of the rink against the top competition. That’s a bad number for cozens. Not proof he’s doing well. At the very least…it’s an incredible number for McLeod. Either way it isn’t a “look how good Cozens has been, actually” number.

2. No one said he hasn’t had chances. They’ve said, accurately, his stick is where those chances go to die. Every single one this year, and he was leading the team in SOG as of a couple games ago, has been a wasted opportunity. Finishing matters. I don’t give a solitary f*** how often the center on this team with the softest deployment is supposed to score when he doesn’t score any. I care a lot when that person never does. Outside of his magical shooting percentage in a contract year…Cozens isn’t a finisher. Hasn’t been. Isn’t. And until people normalize that that year was the outlier and not every other one is who he actually is…we are just spinning our wheels. They paid him for what he isn’t. Sucks. Can’t keep throwing good time after bad money

3. He’s a f***ing winger.

doesn't the final xgf% number get spit out by a regression that accounts for zone starts and quality of opponent, among many other things?

My main issue with its use here is that its predictive value is at its best once the sample size has reached ~half a season, the number means half as much after 8 games as it will in january

I could be wrong on either of these things, i last read papers on xgf% in like 2018

McLeod is 5x the player Cozens is right now for us

 

[elchud]

Maybe we can do like football and just decline penalties