The 2024-2025 Roster Thread

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Yeah there is an issue I think deeper than just individual skill. They don't play together as a team.

They did in 2022 and you can see the difference. I thought Lindy would coach the "bad habits" out of them but it hasn't happened. A lot of it does seem phycological. It feels like the talent is there to be a good team but they don't play together as a team.

Its probably why our good players move on from Buffalo and have great seasons. Its also why I wouldn't give up on certain players yet. We would be selling Cozens for pennies on the dollar and he will probably be the next guy to win the cup. Its a mess on the ice here while other teams have their shit together.

Didn't they have a motivational speaker back in 05-06? Maybe they need to bring one back? Tony Robbins?
Not all players will be that good. You don't have to sell for a penny, but you have to do something. You can't just play with the same lineup and wait for a miracle until these players find their game, we don't have time.
 
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Not all players will be that good. You don't have to sell for a penny, but you have to do something. You can't just play with the same lineup and wait for a miracle until these players find their game, we don't have time.
When New Jersey won the cup playing the neutral zone trap they didn't have a great team. They had an average team and everyone bought into the system. Brodeur had a .902 save percentage so it wasn't just him.

No I am not saying Buffalo is New Jersey but that average players playing a good system can win. This team has above average players. Whats going on here and why is it an ongoing issue.

Make changes to the players and it will be the same garbage on the ice is what I am saying. Its more than just individual players.
 
Maybe Ruff is the wrong coach for this group. Maybe someone with a style like Tortorella would have been better.

When you assemble a team whose main qualification is "Do they want to be here" and not winning this is the on ice product you get.
 
Well either they are unteachable or our defensive coach sucks, maybe both.
No real consequences because there is not adequate depth and they seemingly do not hold one another accountable...

~ 24 is not playing well defensively per the coach. Making bad reads etc.
~ 26 has cost them points with selfish penalties (furthest thing from the problem, but...)
~ 4 and 25 struggling with man in front of the net repeatedly (this is just compete)

~ 23, 22 and 10 are the notable scratches and it did not jar the team so...
 
When New Jersey won the cup playing the neutral zone trap they didn't have a great team. They had an average team and everyone bought into the system. Brodeur had a .902 save percentage so it wasn't just him.

No I am not saying Buffalo is New Jersey but that average players playing a good system can win. This team has above average players. Whats going on here and why is it an ongoing issue.

Make changes to the players and it will be the same garbage on the ice is what I am saying. Its more than just individual players.
I just don't remember those times. But players can be a problem too.
Maybe Ruff is the wrong coach for this group. Maybe someone with a style like Tortorella would have been better.

When you assemble a team whose main qualification is "Do they want to be here" and not winning this is the on ice product you get.
Not sure if Ruff is the problem but he is not responsible for PK and defense and PP seems to be mostly handled by Appert. And our roster looks bad to me, you have a decent bottom 6 but a bad top 6. Defense is not built correctly at all.

Take away the GM and shake things up. Cozens got a 7 million contract and stopped playing well. Quinn was probably plagued by injuries or something. Peterka was hot and then turned cold and stopped playing and producing. Take away some kids, add more guys like Zucker.

No real consequences because there is not adequate depth and they seemingly do not hold one another accountable...

~ 24 is not playing well defensively per the coach. Making bad reads etc.
~ 26 has cost them points with selfish penalties (furthest thing from the problem, but...)
~ 4 and 25 struggling with man in front of the net repeatedly (this is just compete)

~ 23, 22 and 10 are the notable scratches and it did not jar the team so...
I think it's much deeper and everyone has their own situation.
 
It's not the fourth liners who are the problem. They should put Quinn on IR with cryptorchidism.
One plus with Quinn is Adams hasn't handed him a long term contract yet.

That was a disaster waiting to happen. Quinn is playing himself into bridge deal for 2m a season instead for the 5x5 contract that Adams was just itching to hand out.
 
One plus with Quinn is Adams hasn't handed him a contract yet.

That was a disaster waiting to happen. Quinn is playing himself into bridge deal for 2m a season instead for the 5x5 contract that Adams was just itching to hand out.

Quinn has played himself into a QO.

Peterka might be looking at a bridge.
 
I think there's a LOT of implications by asking that question -- some may be true or have more influence, some may be less true or have less influence. Such as:

1a.) Sabres' development system is sub-par
1b.) Sabres' organization and/or coaches do not know how to get the best out of players
2.) There is more pressure on the players to end the streak than the general public is aware of (some of that may be self-applied), and some/many young players fold under that pressure or at the very least do not perform well under said pressure (As an aside to that, I think it should be noted that few older/veteran players play well after leaving Buffalo....it's mainly the younger guys that flourish upon leaving)
3.) The front office hasn't been capable of surrounding the youth with the correct vets or the correct type of vets
4.) The front office/organization hasn't been patient enough with the young kids before "giving up" on them
5.) The front office/organization has identified the players they want to build around and have chosen poorly

I do NOT think that players are intentionally playing poorly to get to where the palm trees are. I just don't think that many NHL players have that type of thing in their DNA. Sure, maybe one or two tanked it to get out of here (Berglund, I'm looking at you.....with a side-eye to Taylor Hall)....but I certainly don't think it's a common occurence.
I just wonder if Fiedman was hinting at something without actually saying it.
 
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So... What was Freidman implying yesterday when he asked why do players play better when they leave Buffalo ?

That they tank it here to get out to the palm trees ? If so, that would be unethical if not criminal.

Better systems, coaches, organizations ?

???

He was essentially pointing out the organizational dysfunction from the top down.

The reason why players succeed when they leave here is they are surrounded by better talent, better coaching, better management. Its the same reason why every year when a Dynasty era Patriots player would leave the pats for big money, they wouldn't be as good elsewhere.

Individual success on a team game never occurs in a vacuum.
 
It's not the fourth liners who are the problem. They should put Quinn on IR with cryptorchidism.
I had to look that up 😆
There is seems to be an epidemic of some sorts tough which just seems to affect the sabres roster
I suspect it trickles upside down
 
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I fully expect guys like Quinn and Cozens to be potentially traded if KA or a replacement GM wake up, and then for both players to hit a resurgence and reach their potential elsewhere, because that seems to be the common theme with this team.

But regardless this team needs some surgery to shake things up. I highly doubt Kevyn Adams has it in him to do that. But Benson and Dahlin would be my only untouchables, and even with Dahlin, idk. Ruff has shown that the issue isn't just coaching, its the players, and the culture needs to be changed by making hockey trades and moving some of these guys. Make some waves. But a rebuild should not be in the cards, I don't think this fanbase can stomach another one so soon.
 
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They need to make some trades .

Tkachuk + 2 round pick for 2025 1 round pick, Cozens, Kulich, Samuelsson
Only way Tkachuk is traded to Buffalo is if the return is Tage (the only high value asset we actually have when you consider the contract AND talent level), and comes with a 1st round pick as well.
 
ASSUMING that we aren't on his 10-team list, I don't see how Connor Muprhy isn't a Sabre, like, tomorrow. He's certainly an upgrade on Jokiharju/Bryson etc and I don't think he'd be cost prohibitive.

Maybe also Nick Foligno but I don't know where he fits on the roster.
 
What heppens first?
1) Kevyn Adams is fired
2) Lindy Ruff is fired or resigns
3) Sabres make a major trade
 

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