The 2022 Hockey Hall Of Fame

[sr edler]

I might have posted this sometime before on this board, but my only strong memory of Mike Gartner in the 90s is him scoring 4 goals in the All-Star game and winning a car. Outside of that, very few memories. He was also cross-checked in the back by Bryan Marchment on a breakaway in a game against Hartford, right into the goal cage, I think Gartner had high-sticked Marchment in the face and it was in retaliation. Pierre McGuire was coaching the Whalers and was furious on the bench.

I'm too young to have seen him in the 80s.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

Olympic best-on-best gold, 1,000+ NHL points each (compiling factor if you want), overall more team success (two consecutive Presidents' Trophies plus a SCFs appearance). Even a World Championship. Henrik won two straight 1st team all-star nods against prime Crosby and Stamkos.

For what it's worth, I don't think D. Sedin as a player was that much better than Näslund, but he didn't have as big of a loser aura. Näslund was part of that (in)famous Belarus fiasco in Salt Lake City where he was a complete ghost outside of a pointless round robin game against Germany, and some embarrassing playoff duds too (Minny) in the NHL. When the Sedins lost in the playoffs it was often in hard fought series against very strong teams who then went on to win the Cup (Chicago, LA).

Also, the whole hockey world talked about the Sedins for a few years in the early 2010s, like Madonna around True Blue when she challenged MJ and Prince for the pop star crown. No one really cared about Näslund outside of the Northwest Division.

you’re playing my music here, edler

 

[JimmySpaetzle]

Why are the Sedins viewed as locks to get in first ballot? They have just over 1000 career points, never won a cup, and yes they won a hart or art Ross one year, but there’s so many other guys on that list with similar accolades that aren’t in yet. Is it because they’re twins? I fully agree that they deserve to be in at some point, but not sure why everyone has them as locks to be first ballot HOF

 

[jigglysquishy]

Why are the Sedins viewed as locks to get in first ballot? They have just over 1000 career points, never won a cup, and yes they won a hart or art Ross one year, but there’s so many other guys on that list with similar accolades that aren’t in yet.

Is there? The Sedins would be the first ever Art Ross winners to not get into the Hall. Jamie Benn would join that category too.

I don't know why we talk about first ballot. It's not a real thing in hockey. Whereas in baseball it's like a real thing that is recorded and voted on with in mind.

 

[JimmySpaetzle]

Is there? The Sedins would be the first ever Art Ross winners to not get into the Hall. Jamie Benn would join that category too.

I don't know why we talk about first ballot. It's not a real thing in hockey. Whereas in baseball it's like a real thing that is recorded and voted on with in mind.

Lecavalier has a Rocket Richard and almost 1000 career points, and a gold medal with team Canada. And yet nobody even thinks he’s getting into the Hall period

 

[K Fleur]

Lecavalier has a Rocket Richard and almost 1000 career points, and a gold medal with team Canada. And yet nobody even thinks he’s getting into the Hall period

Important to distinguish that Lecavalier has a World Cup gold medal not an Olympic gold medal.


I don’t think the Sedin’s would make my HOF but I also think it’s important to remember them. I doubt anybody alive right now ever sees another pair of twins with hockey careers like theirs.

 

[MXD]

Why are the Sedins viewed as locks to get in first ballot? They have just over 1000 career points, never won a cup, and yes they won a hart or art Ross one year, but there’s so many other guys on that list with similar accolades that aren’t in yet. Is it because they’re twins? I fully agree that they deserve to be in at some point, but not sure why everyone has them as locks to be first ballot HOF

Because they're obviously going in as a pair and because this year's crop is nothing special with only one player being clearly better than them (... and a netminder to boot) and only one other player with a case remotely similar to them (Zetterberg).

For the record, the 2023 crop is even worse, with again only one player CLEARLY better than him (Lundqvist) and then it's a toss up between Dustin Byfuglien and Andrei Markov for the second best. I don't care about Crawford in the slightest.

 

[JimmySpaetzle]

Important to distinguish that Lecavalier has a World Cup gold medal not an Olympic gold medal.


I don’t think the Sedin’s would make my HOF but I also think it’s important to remember them. I doubt anybody alive right now ever sees another pair of twins with hockey careers like theirs.

No I totally agree that they should get in at some point, I just don’t know why they’re viewed as being automatic locks

 

[tarheelhockey]

Why are the Sedins viewed as locks to get in first ballot? They have just over 1000 career points, never won a cup, and yes they won a hart or art Ross one year, but there’s so many other guys on that list with similar accolades that aren’t in yet. Is it because they’re twins? I fully agree that they deserve to be in at some point, but not sure why everyone has them as locks to be first ballot HOF

I just can't imagine anyone living through that era and not thinking of the Sedins as two of the league's top stars. It's like the debate over Brad Marchand lately. Imagine people saying Brad Marchand is questionable as a HOF'er, that's crazy to me.

Also, keep in mind that the Sedins played their early 20s in the Dead Puck Era, and then missed 1.5 seasons to lockouts. Given their scoring rates, those considerations alone would put them closer to 1200-1300 point players. The highest scoring non-HOFers are Roenick (1216) and Turgeon (1327), and those guys don't have anything like Hart/Ross cred in their favor.

 

[EpochLink]

I just can't imagine anyone living through that era and not thinking of the Sedins as two of the league's top stars. It's like the debate over Brad Marchand lately. Imagine people saying Brad Marchand is questionable as a HOF'er, that's crazy to me.

Also, keep in mind that the Sedins played their early 20s in the Dead Puck Era, and then missed 1.5 seasons to lockouts. Given their scoring rates, those considerations alone would put them closer to 1200-1300 point players. The highest scoring non-HOFers are Roenick (1216) and Turgeon (1327), and those guys don't have anything like Hart/Ross cred in their favor.

The 05-06 season was the year the Sedins fully shown their potential, they surpassed the top line of Bertuzzi/Morrison/Naslund by mid season and never looked back. If by chance the 04-05 season did happen they would've surpassed that top line a year earlier.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

like selanne, the sedins needed the lockout

physically and mentally, they left boys and came back men. i don’t know that that happens if there had been an NHL season and they had to slog through another year with the pressure of trying not to be maybe the biggest draft busts ever (because there were two of them).

 

[Giotrapani91]

Because they're obviously going in as a pair and because this year's crop is nothing special with only one player being clearly better than them (... and a netminder to boot) and only one other player with a case remotely similar to them (Zetterberg).

For the record, the 2023 crop is even worse, with again only one player CLEARLY better than him (Lundqvist) and then it's a toss up between Dustin Byfuglien and Andrei Markov for the second best. I don't care about Crawford in the slightest.

Lundqvist and marleau aren’t eligible until 2024.

 

[reckoning]

Yet he somehow made the list of 100 greatest Leafs even though that was in the back end of his career, but what would those people know about hockey?

He was 13 spots below Darcy Tucker and only 10 spots ahead of Tie Domi, so how prestigious was it? Not that it should be a huge factor in assessing a players worth, but there were a lot of underwhelming players on the bottom half of that list.

 

[Kyle McMahon]

Tonelli has the best case of the guys listed here and in the post you were responding too as he was the MVP at a CC and the leading ES scorer on the dynasty NYI Islander teams.

Not Bossy or Trottier but Tonelli, bet most people would guess that eh?

People talk about the depth that TB has but those NYI teams had guys like Tonelli, Bourne, Nystrom.....

I wouldn't totally rule out Tonelli, he'd be in the same vein as Mahovlich. The committee dug deeper than most imagined they would with the Oilers dynasty (Lowe), might be time for them to do the same with the Islanders.

 

[wetcoast]

I wouldn't totally rule out Tonelli, he'd be in the same vein as Mahovlich. The committee dug deeper than most imagined they would with the Oilers dynasty (Lowe), might be time for them to do the same with the Islanders.

Do you mean Frank or Pete here?

 

[ES]

Lundqvist and marleau aren’t eligible until 2024.

Marleau yes but Lundqvist played his last game in 2020 so he should be eligible. We've seen Pronger and Hossa being inducted while still being on active contract.

 

[Kyle McMahon]

Do you mean Frank or Pete here?

Pete of course. I don't think anyone has ever considered Frank a borderline HOFer.

 

[wetcoast]

Pete of course. I don't think anyone has ever considered Frank a borderline HOFer.

I was 99% sure but Tonelli has a way better resume than Pete.

 

[Hobnobs]

Lundquist

 

[Giotrapani91]

Marleau yes but Lundqvist played his last game in 2020 so he should be eligible. We've seen Pronger and Hossa being inducted while still being on active contract.

Maybe they’ll make a pass but I’d be shocked if they didn’t I don’t see them inducting two goalies this year, or next year. So if Bobby Lou or Roberto luongo that’s his nickname Bobby Lou if he goes in they’ll prolly wait until 2024 or 2025.

 

[trentmccleary]

Today is the HHOF's announcement day.
On top of my list for induction are Alfredsson and Barrasso. Neither will be inducted.
I've resigned myself to believing that the committee is made up of fanboi's who merely count awards, cups and raw data. Which is why they seem intent on inducting every 1980-95 scorer who ever won a cup.

Alfredsson, IMO, is better than the forwards available. He was better, longer, both ways than they were.
However, his history of injuries affected his ability to challenge for awards, so he won't have enough shiny things to attract the committee.

Barrasso is the opposite. Based on the way the committee votes, they should have already inducted him because he has all of the shiny things.

My prediction is that they induct the Sedins, Luongo and some bafflingly stupid pick from the 1980's.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

My prediction is that they induct the Sedins, Luongo and some bafflingly stupid pick from the 1980's.

at this point it could be someone completely out of left field like randy carlyle and i wouldn’t be surprised

 

[MS]

The thing about the Sedins is that they're more than just counting numbers and awards (and they should be in on that basis anyway).

They gave the sport something it had never seen before and likely never will again. They changed the game, and some of the stuff they pioneered - especially the slap-pass - is now commonplace. They took the cycle to an art form. They were unique and special and even if their careers don't look that different on paper from Patrik Elias, they were more than that and meant more than that to the sport.

 

[Hawkey Town 18]

Who I would vote in myself this year:
Mikhailov, Zetterberg, Elias, Alfredsson

Who I think will get voted in this year:
Zetterberg, H. Sedin, D. Sedin, either Alfredsson or Luongo as the 4th, both have a story line (all Swedish class or the 3 Canucks class)

 

[unknown33]

Prediction:
Sedins, Luongo and some random undeserving forward