The 2022 Hockey Hall Of Fame

[buffalowing88]

Lot of good insights into the case for Keenan here. I agree with the sentiment that if Quinn/Burns are in, he should be in.

Also, what is the case for a Sedin brother over Alfredsson? Just the personal accolades?

I loathe Alfredsson but he was was a more impactful player than either of them, imo. His per games are better, his playoff record is better (marginally), and his intangibles are more impressive.

 

[Giotrapani91]

HOCKEY HALL OF FAME

2022 INDUCTION ELIGIBLE PLAYERS

HHOF | 2022 Induction Eligible Players

The annual meeting of the Selection Committee will be held on June 27 to select and announce the 2022 Hockey Hall of Fame inductees. The selection announcement will be made live on June 27 on TSN (time TBC).

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The annual meeting of the Selection Committee will be held on June 27 to select and announce the 2022 Hockey Hall of Fame inductees.

The selection announcement will be made live on June 27 on TSN (time TBC).

The Hockey Hall of Fame Selection Committee consists of 18 individuals appointed by the Board of Directors, whose mandate is to nominate and elect candidates as Honoured Members in the Player, Builder and Referee/Linesman categories. Player and Referee/Linesman candidates must have concluded their respective playing or officiating careers for a minimum of three playing seasons.

FIRST-YEAR ELIGIBLE NHL PLAYERS FOR INDUCTION 2022

Includes those first-year eligible in 2021 and 2022 as no Class of 2021 was named

Note: The below list includes only first-year eligible goaltenders that either played a minimum of 400 NHL regular season games, won over 200 NHL games, or recorded 25 or more NHL shutouts. The forwards and defenders listed either played a minimum of 1,000 NHL regular season games, or recorded a minimum of 300 goals, 400 assists or 700 points.

List does NOT include all players eligible for Induction in 2022

STATISTICAL LIST OF NON-HONOURED MEMBERS

The following lists do NOT include all players eligible for Induction in 2022.

The forwards and defencemen listed below either registered at least 400 NHL goals, 700 assists (500 for defencemen), 1,000 NHL points, or won at least six Stanley Cup titles, two Canada/World Cup titles, or are members of the "Triple Gold Club" (winners of the World Championship, Olympic Gold, and the Stanley Cup).

The goaltenders listed either played a minimum of 500 NHL regular season games, won over 250 NHL games, or recorded 50-or-more shutouts in the NHL.

The following list includes eligible players who have either registered at least 100 points in Senior World Championship play or received two-or-more Tournament Directorate Awards.

The following list includes eligible players who have either registered at least 50 points in IIHF Women's World Championship play, been named tournament Most Valuable Player or received two-or-more Tournament Directorate Awards.

First-year eligible players are noted by *.


MEDIA PREDICTIONS FOR THE 2022 HOCKEY HALL OF FAME

NHL - Hockey Hall of Fame Class of 2022 could include Sedin brothers
Forwards played 17 seasons with Canucks; Luongo, Zetterberg among those to be considered

Hockey Hall of Fame Class of 2022 could include Sedin brothers | NHL.com

Forwards played 17 seasons with Canucks; Luongo, Zetterberg among those to be considered

www.nhl.com

NBC - Hockey Hall of Fame: Who will make up the Class of 2022?

Hockey Hall of Fame: Who will make up the Class of 2022?

The 18-person Selection Committee will vote on the 2022 class on Monday.

nhl.nbcsports.com

The Score - Looking ahead to the 2022 Hockey Hall of Fame ballot: Who will get the call?

Looking ahead to the 2022 Hockey Hall of Fame ballot: Who will get the call?

With the 2020 Hall of Fame induction weekend in the rearview mirror, it’s time to look ahead to players on the 2022 ballot. Remember, there was no 2021 class due to the COVID-19 pandemic, so the 2022 class will feature two years' worth of first-timers.It's important to note a player will only...

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The Hockey Writers - Hockey Hall of Fame: Who Becomes Eligible in 2022?

Hockey Hall of Fame: Who Becomes Eligible in 2022? - The Hockey Writers Hockey History Latest News, Analysis & More

Spearheaded by Roberto Luongo and Caroline Ouellette, the class of new eligibles for the 2022 Hockey Hall of Fame looks to be very solid.

thehockeywriters.com

Daily Face-off - Looking at candidates for the 2022 Hockey Hall of Fame class

Looking at candidates for the 2022 Hockey Hall of Fame class

Now that the class of 2020 has been inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame, we look at who may...

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ESPN - Way-too-early picks for the 2022 Hockey Hall of Fame class

Way-too-early picks for the 2022 Hockey Hall of Fame class

Who should be among the enshrined next year? We rank the top 10, and serve up thoughts on other intriguing candidates.

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BUILDER CATEGORY

Red Berenson
Herb Carnegie
Viktor Tikhonov
Ken Hitchcock
Mike Keenan
Bryan Murray
Marguerite Norris

PLAYER CATEGORY

Henrik Sedin
Daniel Sedin
Roberto Luongo
Henrik Zetterberg
Vincent Lecavalier
Brad Richards
Jere Lehtinen

Chris Osgood
Markus Naslund
Daniel Alfredsson
Sergei Gonchar
Milan Hejduk
Patrik Elias
Shane Doan
Rick Nash
Dan Boyle
Tim Thomas

Boris Mikhailov
Kent Nilsson
Gary Suter
Steve Larmer
Theo Fleury
Alexander Mogilny
Keith Tkachuk
Pierre Turgeon
Jeremy Roenick
Rod Brind'Amour
Tom Barrasso
Curtis Joseph

WOMEN'S HOCKEY

Meghan Duggan
Caroline Ouellette
Jennifer Botterill
Karyn Bye-Dietz
Natalie Darwitz
Maria Rooth
Riikka Sallinen

I honestly wouldn’t mind if Jere lehtinen got inducted I mean he won three selke trophies. And was a great defensive forward.

 

[MS]

Late to the party on Keenan, but he's one of the tougher cases out there to figure out.

On pure coaching merit, he belongs. And not on the borderline, either - as one of the top coaches in the HHOF.

He was the best coach in the NHL for a decade from 1984-1994. He changed the game as the driving force behind the short-shift revolution. He won at absolutely every level - CHL, college, AHL, NHL, KHL, international play. No coach in hockey history has had more success at such varied levels.

If he was hit by a bus in 1994, he would have gone into the HHOF the next year.

But he was a jerk. And then the second half of his career happened, and it went so badly/strangely precisely because he was a jerk, and empowered millionaire athletes in the UFA era didn't take the same way to his methods as kids making $150k in 1985.

Part of the HHOF criteria is character and conduct, and Keenan fails miserably on those fronts. So I don't really know what you do with him.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

I honestly wouldn’t mind if Jere lehtinen got inducted I mean he won three selke trophies. And was a great defensive forward.

An inferior player in Guy Carbonneau already got in why not Lehtinen? HHOF has no standards anyway considering some of the players who've been inducted. Some of these guys who've gotten in aren't even Hall of Very Good caliber (Carbonneau, Duff, Lowe, Housley etc), Patrick Marleau will be the next Hall of Somewhat Decent player to get in.

 

[NordiquesForeva]

Late to the party on Keenan, but he's one of the tougher cases out there to figure out.

On pure coaching merit, he belongs. And not on the borderline, either - as one of the top coaches in the HHOF.

He was the best coach in the NHL for a decade from 1984-1994. He changed the game as the driving force behind the short-shift revolution. He won at absolutely every level - CHL, college, AHL, NHL, KHL, international play. No coach in hockey history has had more success at such varied levels.

If he was hit by a bus in 1994, he would have gone into the HHOF the next year.

But he was a jerk. And then the second half of his career happened, and it went so badly/strangely precisely because he was a jerk, and empowered millionaire athletes in the UFA era didn't take the same way to his methods as kids making $150k in 1985.

Part of the HHOF criteria is character and conduct, and Keenan fails miserably on those fronts. So I don't really know what you do with him.

I'd put him in, although I didn't like the way his teams played and I didn't like his coaching methods. Keenan would perhaps fail the "character and conduct" criteria, but only in the context of him being a coach. I could certainly be wrong, but I haven't heard of any stories or information about his personal life off the ice that would lead me to question whether he's been anything other than an exemplary citizen and person, so that shouldn't keep him out. Many players speak very highly of him, so you can probably chalk up the highly questionable/disagreeable coaching methods he employed to tactical decisions he made in the context of the era and sport at the time (tactical decisions that were, of course, highly successful for a period). And some of it may have been simply performative, too (like the anecdote about when he winked at Mark Messier before raining holy hell down on the Rangers locker room).

I didn't like him, and I also thought he was a jerk, but the results speak for themselves imo.

 

[MS]

I'd put him in, although I didn't like the way his teams played and I didn't like his coaching methods. Keenan would perhaps fail the "character and conduct" criteria, but only in the context of him being a coach. I could certainly be wrong, but I haven't heard of any stories or information about his personal life off the ice that would lead me to question whether he's been anything other than an exemplary citizen and person, so that shouldn't keep him out. Many players speak very highly of him, so you can probably chalk up the highly questionable/disagreeable coaching methods he employed to tactical decisions he made in the context of the era and sport at the time (tactical decisions that were, of course, highly successful for a period). And some of it may have been simply performative, too (like the anecdote about when he winked at Mark Messier before raining holy hell down on the Rangers locker room).

I didn't like him, and I also thought he was a jerk, but the results speak for themselves imo.

I mostly agree.

Most of what he did wasn't too far out of the Scotty Bowman playbook and Bowman is obviously revered.

He did do stuff that crossed some lines, though. Grant Ledyard taking leave because his wife was diagnosed with cancer and returning to find out that Keenan had thrown out his gear and told the rest of the team he quit on them stands out.

 

[NordiquesForeva]

I mostly agree.

Most of what he did wasn't too far out of the Scotty Bowman playbook and Bowman is obviously revered.

He did do stuff that crossed some lines, though. Grant Ledyard taking leave because his wife was diagnosed with cancer and returning to find out that Keenan had thrown out his gear and told the rest of the team he quit on them stands out.

Awful. I hadn't heard of that one.

 

[Pominville Knows]

We just need a Henrik Alfredsson and a Daniel Zetterberg to round out the class.

Daniel has indeed a brother named Henric.
Not much of a player but it would bolsten the theme here.

 

[Kyle McMahon]

What about that the one selection that the HOF throws at us that:
1) No one is talking about.
2) Has no real business being in the Hall.
3) Selected to make it seem like the insiders know more than anyone else in hockey circles.
4) Was no better than the 6th best player on a really good team with at least one Cup.

I predicted Lowe last time. Carbonneau and Duff would also fit into this category in recent years. I'll say Brian Rafalski, John Tonelli, or Ken Hodge.

My Best-Carey

I think this has become my favorite part of the announcement. Might as well embrace it at this point.

I'll throw out Pete Mahovlich. Would anyone have really batted an eye if he was inducted 25 years ago, in lieu of Bob Gainey perhaps? This is a name that you used to see get some buzz, particularly when the Summit Series was still in the collective consciousness of the establishment media. Seems to have become a bit of a forgotten man from those great 70s Habs teams over the last 15 years or so. There are worse players in the HOF...

 

[Giotrapani91]

An inferior player in Guy Carbonneau already got in why not Lehtinen? HHOF has no standards anyway considering some of the players who've been inducted. Some of these guys who've gotten in aren't even Hall of Very Good caliber (Carbonneau, Duff, Lowe, Housley etc), Patrick Marleau will be the next Hall of Somewhat Decent player to get in.

Marleau had a decent career though him and lundqvist will go in first ballot in 2024 henrik lundqvist cuz he’s 6th all time on the all time win list for goalies & marleau had 1197 points, and was the face of the sharks From 2004 to 09. Jumbo was the face of the team from 2010 to 2019, And when jumbo left for toronto, marleau became one the 3 faces of the sharks along with burns & couture, than when he retired couture & burns became the 2 faces for the sharks. And Patty marleau is 50th on the all time points list. Patrick Kane will surpass him & brindamour who should’ve been in the hall of fame years ago, next year If kane has another 60 plus season he’ll pass 5 players. Including marleau, brindamour, ciccarrelli, damphousse, Nicholls, Clarke, JR, Larry Murphy, & Jean beliveau. 4 of which are hall of famers, if moves into 43rd all time in points

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

Marleau had a decent career though him and lundqvist will go in first ballot in 2024 henrik lundqvist cuz he’s 6th all time on the all time win list for goalies & marleau had 1197 points, and was the face of the sharks From 2004 to 09. Jumbo was the face of the team from 2010 to 2019, And when jumbo left for toronto, marleau became one the 3 faces of the sharks along with burns & couture, than when he retired couture & burns became the 2 faces for the sharks. And Patty marleau is 50th on the all time points list. Patrick Kane will surpass him & brindamour who should’ve been in the hall of fame years ago, next year If kane has another 60 plus season he’ll pass 5 players. Including marleau, brindamour, ciccarrelli, damphousse, Nicholls, Clarke, JR, Larry Murphy, & Jean beliveau. 4 of which are hall of famers, if moves into 43rd all time in points

Bro I don't care if he's the face of the Sharks or the compiler points he got he just wasn't a very good player. He's a somewhat decent player, nothing more. He's not even as good as most of the other compilers in the HHOF like Cicarelli and Gartner. Him getting in first ballot would be a slap to the face of every first ballot hall of famer ever.

 

[The Panther]

Serious Question: What did each Sedin brother do that Markus Naslund or Vincent Lecavalier didn't?

 

[Giotrapani91]

Bro I don't care if he's the face of the Sharks or the compiler points he got he just wasn't a very good player. He's a somewhat decent player, nothing more. He's not even as good as most of the other compilers in the HHOF like Cicarelli and Gartner. Him getting in first ballot would be a slap to the face of every first ballot hall of famer ever.

I’d have to disagree he was Mr. shark for the sharks him and Doug Wilson are he only ones I give that title to Wilson cuz he was the first captain & marleau cuz he was drafted by San Jose and was just a great player I get where your coming from
Though, however he did score 566 goals & broke Gordie Howe’s games played streak which will help his case.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

I’d have to disagree he was Mr. shark for the sharks him and Doug Wilson are he only ones I give that title to Wilson cuz he was the first captain & marleau cuz he was drafted by San Jose and was just a great player I get where your coming from
Though, however he did score 566 goals & broke Gordie Howe’s games played streak which will help his case.

Again who the f*** cares about being "Mr Shark"? why don't we induct Shane Doan while we're at it for being "Mr Coyote"? Games played is a meme reason to induct a player into the hall of fame it doesn't mean you were good all it means is you played a lot of games. Marleau hitting 566 in more games makes him worse than the other compilers who don't belong in the Hall like Andreychuk/Gartner/Nieuwendyk and co.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

Serious Question: What did each Sedin brother do that Markus Naslund or Vincent Lecavalier didn't?

Mainly the Rosses and Hart/Lindsay (although I do think we kinda lump those awards into one person just by instinct which increases their reputation). I'd sooner see Markus Naslund in the Hall of Fame than the likes of Marleau/Carbonneau/Duff/Nieuwendyk/Andreychuk, at least Naslund was at one point considered one of the best players in the world.

 

[The Panther]

Mainly the Rosses and Hart/Lindsay (although I do think we kinda lump those awards into one person just by instinct which increases their reputation). I'd sooner see Markus Naslund in the Hall of Fame than the likes of Marleau/Carbonneau/Duff/Nieuwendyk/Andreychuk, at least Naslund was at one point considered one of the best players in the world.

Each Sedin brother didn't win "Rosses", though. Remember -- the Sedins are two different players. The Hall of Fame doesn't co-induct multiple players together.

Henrik won the Art Ross and Hart once, and was twice a 1st team All Star. He never won the Pearson award.

Daniel won the Art Ross and Pearson once, but he never won the Hart. He was also a two-time season-end All Star (once 1st).

Markus Naslund didn't win the Hart or Art Ross (though he probably would have won both in 2003 if not for that late-season injury). He did win the Pearson, which Henrik didn't. He was also a three-time 1st-team All Star, which clearly beats Daniel (and also at face value beats Henrik, although he was a center which is tougher).

None of them are playoff studs by any stretch, but each was basically equal.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

Each Sedin brother didn't win "Rosses", though. Remember -- the Sedins are two different players. The Hall of Fame doesn't co-induct multiple players together.

Henrik won the Art Ross and Hart once, and was twice a 1st team All Star. He never won the Pearson award.

Daniel won the Art Ross and Pearson once, but he never won the Hart. He was also a two-time season-end All Star (once 1st).

Markus Naslund didn't win the Hart or Art Ross (though he probably would have won both in 2003 if not for that late-season injury). He did win the Pearson, which Henrik didn't. He was also a three-time 1st-team All Star, which clearly beats Daniel (and also at face value beats Henrik, although he was a center which is tougher).

None of them are playoff studs by any stretch, but each was basically equal.

Yeah I know I agree with you, the Sedins aren't that much stronger than Naslund, who did lead 2000-2004 era in scoring and had a few Art Ross runner-ups/Hart finalist appearances. But I think mentally most ppl just instinctively group the Sedins into one player even though they shouldn't (I know I do it all the time). If it were up to me though the twins aren't the guys I kick out I'm kicking out the "Hall of Somewhat Decent" players like Marleau/Carbonneau/Andreychuk/Duff.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

Bro I don't care if he's the face of the Sharks or the compiler points he got he just wasn't a very good player. He's a somewhat decent player, nothing more. He's not even as good as most of the other compilers in the HHOF like Cicarelli and Gartner. Him getting in first ballot would be a slap to the face of every first ballot hall of famer ever.

gartner and marleau are very similar

both are/will be completely undeserving first ballot hall of famers who got in for trivia

both are known for being on good teams that routinely disappointed in the playoffs

excellent skaters with a good shot who were reinvented as role players on best team canadas for those two skills, at the expense of far better overall players who didn't skate and shoot as well


but i think marleau was the better player. he could play all three forward positions, was better defensively, and even though he had a rep as a poor playoff guy, up to 2006, he actually had a very good playoff record. 2002-2006, on some chokey sharks teams, he was known as the only clutch one.


marleau:

4th, 6th, 11th, 11th in goals

14th, 15th, 16th, 19th in pts


gartner

5th, 9th, 9th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 14th, 17th, 19th, 19th in goals

10th, 17th in pts


but yeah, neither is a hall of famer

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

gartner and marleau are very similar

both are/will be completely undeserving first ballot hall of famers who got in for trivia

both are known for being on good teams that routinely disappointed in the playoffs

excellent skaters with a good shot who were reinvented as role players on best team canadas for those two skills, at the expense of far better overall players who didn't skate and shoot as well


but i think marleau was the better player. he could play all three forward positions, was better defensively, and even though he had a rep as a poor playoff guy, up to 2006, he actually had a very good playoff record. 2002-2006, on some chokey sharks teams, he was known as the only clutch one.


marleau:

4th, 6th, 11th, 11th in goals

14th, 15th, 16th, 19th in pts


gartner

5th, 9th, 9th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 14th, 17th, 19th, 19th in goals

10th, 17th in pts


but yeah, neither is a hall of famer

I mean Marleau wasn't considered a choker back then b/c he was a 25 goal 50 point player who was outpacing that in the playoffs which isn't exactly impressive. I also don't recall him ever being considered anything special defensively. Mid 2000s Selke voting was kind of a meme (Rod Brind'Amour actually won Selkes lmfao). Also if you look at his career playoff stats it's pretty much just right in line with his career regular season production. He's just a 50-60 point kind of guy, a First Ballot Hall of Somewhat Solid player, nothing more. I think it's entirely possible Marleau never has a single PPG season in the NHL had the Sharks not picked up Thornton in 2006.

Oh and yeah Gartner probs shouldn't be in the HHOF either but I'm willing to at least put him in the HOVG which I'm not willing to do for Marleau. Probs b/c I wasn't alive long enough to watch most of Gartner's career and never got to experience his warts first hand.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

I mean Marleau wasn't considered a choker back then b/c he was a 25 goal 50 point player who was outpacing that in the playoffs which isn't exactly impressive. I also don't recall him ever being considered anything special defensively. Mid 2000s Selke voting was kind of a meme (Rod Brind'Amour actually won Selkes lmfao). Also if you look at his career playoff stats it's pretty much just right in line with his career regular season production. He's just a 50-60 point kind of guy, a First Ballot Hall of Somewhat Solid player, nothing more. I think it's entirely possible Marleau never has a single PPG season in the NHL had the Sharks not picked up Thornton in 2006.

Oh and yeah Gartner probs shouldn't be in the HHOF either but I'm willing to at least put him in the HOVG which I'm not willing to do for Marleau. Probs b/c I wasn't alive long enough to watch most of Gartner's career and never got to experience his warts first hand.

that’s probably correct. gartner was a whole lot of nothing, but really fast. but to people who didn’t experience him in real time, 700 is a really really big number.

and i mean i’m not saying marleau was ryan kesler or anything, he was just less one dimensional than mike gartner. which is kind of like saying a guy is less one dimensional than phil kessel.

that said, everyone and their mother scored 80 pts in 2006. as the number one center marleau had 10 goals, 23 pts in the 23 games before the thornton trade, on a line with cheechoo amd marco sturm. 24 goals, 63 pts in the other 59 games centering rookie milan michalek and rookie steve bernier, plus time with jojo on the pp.

 

[Albatros]

Gartner has the most 30-goal seasons in league history. Three more than Gretzky despite a shorter career. Some accuse him of being a "compiler", but either way such longevity and constant high-level performance has to count for something.

 

[The Panther]

I'm generally against less than elite players being in the Hall, but I'm (probably) happy to make an exception for Mike Gartner.

Here's the thing: There is no 'X' number of goals or points or Cups that should guarantee anyone an entry in the Hall of Fame. But when you score 700+ NHL goals (and it's even 600+ "adjusted"), and you're really consistent for a really long time, and you're a well-liked / respected player by peers, and you've won the Canada Cup, and you played for some quite good team over the years, I think that's pretty much an "in" regardless.

He's still 8th all time in career goals, and was maybe 5th or 6th all-time when he retired? Pretty hard to explain to someone who's a casual fan of hockey that a well-respected, clean player who's 5th all time in goals isn't a Hall of Famer.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

Serious Question: What did each Sedin brother do that Markus Naslund or Vincent Lecavalier didn't?

I mean, the Art Ross and Hart Trophy (Henrik) for starters.

 

[The Panther]

I mean, the Art Ross and Hart Trophy (Henrik) for starters.

Okay, for starters. And... beyond that? I see nothing.

(Naslund would have won the Art Ross in 2003 if not for his fateful collision with Steve Moore. NHL peers still voted Naslund the best player in the NHL that season.)

 

[Staniowski]

Gartner was a no-doubter for the Hall. Beyond his 700 goals - which makes him an automatic, Gartner was a very prominent player in the 1980s, even beyond what his yearly scoring would indicate. He was very well-known and most people watching then, would expect him to be a HHOFer.

He was, of course, famous for both his speed and his goal-scoring.