GDT: The 2020 TDL Thread: Part II

[TheBloodyNine]

Right or wrong they wanted to see what’s the market is for Kreider too and needed to negotiate down to $6.5 m that takes time.

I for a second don’t believe that Gorton, Drury and Davidson we’re sitting on their asses and missed a good deal or an opportunity to finish negotiations with Kreider earlier.

What deal or opportunity would that be?

 

[NYSPORTS]

Maybe they got the player they wanted in the end? Why jeopardize that with some stupid self inflicted deadline?

read they got all the players they wanted in the McDonough/Miller deal too.

 

[Edge]

What you’re describing is why I feel optimistic going forward. When I say the window opens next year, it’s not because I think the ‘rebuild’ is completely done, or that the Rangers are Cup contenders. But, the only big piece I see missing is the LHD that anchors that side. I think Gorton has accumulated enough assets to get that piece. It may or may not be next season, but I think Gorton’s equipped to get it. And, bringing back Kreider allows Chytil, Kakko and possibly Kravtsov to remain insulated.

Personally, I think getting that piece may cost at least one of the names you mentioned, and there's a decent chance it's going to have to wait a little bit for salary to free up.

 

[ohbaby]

this is definitely a below market value deal. Kreider could easily get $7.5MX7 on the market with the way he's been playing. I'd bet 12 spring rolls that Kreids is the one that called his agent and said, do the deal early this morning.

At this price, he was a steal. Ok, no one likes 7 years, but we can't complain on the price per year. To get him with just a million or so more than Skjei or Staal is incredible.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

read they got all the players they wanted in the McDonough/Miller deal too.

So if you think they messed those trades what gives you reason to think they wouldn’t screw up the Kreider trade?

 

[Avery16]

Should leave Howden and Gauthier in Hartford, play McKegg and Beleskey instead.

 

[NYSPORTS]

So if you think they messed those trades what gives you reason to think they wouldn’t screw up the Kreider trade?

I think they did screw it up and we’re left with having to resign him

 

[NYRangers0723]

I think they did screw it up and we’re left with having to resign him

They aren’t “stuck” they wanted to resign him. If they didn’t they would have taken the best offer even if it wasn’t what they fully wanted

 

[bleeding blue]

read they got all the players they wanted in the McDonough/Miller deal too.

you do realize these trades have a bit of gambling to them right? Some trades wind up good some not as good? I think Gorton has done an excellent job. This team is young, incredibly watchable which they haven’t been for years, and one of the best prospect pools in the league. He’s had some misses but a lot of hits too. In my opinion he couldn’t get value he judged was better than the value that a re signed kreider would provide.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I think they did screw it up and we’re left with having to resign him

Would Jost + Late 1st have had you Celebrating? Honest question. I would have been disappointed in that.

 

[NYRangers0723]

Would Jost + Late 1st have had you Celebrating? Honest question. I would have been disappointed in that

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Me too. I guess better than nothing but wouldn’t do much for me

 

[ZiGOODejad]

People wanted to not pay Kreider. They think that magically we can save so much cap for something far superior. This is our team. What did they expect to spend the cap on? He wasn’t the best trade target for no reason. This guy brings something to the table that is very hard to find. No point in complaining about his contract today. Wait until he actually sucks to do that.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Would Jost + Late 1st have had you Celebrating? Honest question. I would have been disappointed in that.

no, but I never expected Sakic to do much. The asking price was so high they all but eliminated Boston and likely others. I think they killed their own market

 

[NYSPORTS]

People wanted to not pay Kreider. They think that magically we can save so much cap for something far superior. This is our team. What did they expect to spend the cap on? He wasn’t the best trade target for no reason. This guy brings something to the table that is very hard to find. No point in complaining about his contract today. Wait until he actually sucks to do that.

it’s a rebuild so there’s isn’t anything magical about it. The Rangers are going to have about 8-10 prospects all in line for raises at the same time. Spending that money now is a recipe for disaster IMO.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I think it gave them confidence that the team is starting to move in the right direction as a whole rather than strugglign while a few star players run up some points. That probably made them more confident in the idea of extending Kreider.

If the team looked like crap and they were at the bottom of the standings I think they more strongly consider selling and not offering that contract. BUt they see a positive trend and want to keep the team headed that direction

100%. And if not for that fact, a lot of us who had the re-signing as a "meh" would've been in the "dislike" or "hate" category.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

no, but I never expected Sakic to do much. The asking price was so high they all but eliminated Boston and likely others. I think they killed their own market

Would Danton Heinen and a 1st did it for you then?

The point I’m trying to make is that the big time prospects from teams just were not there for Kreider. St. Louis wasn’t giving us Kostin or Kyrou either. So barring those big name prospects, what’s a realistic deal for Kreider that you think was out there that would have had you saying “wow, GREAT return!”

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Who do we think Peter is going to pick guys?

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

In the moment impulse posting aside (which I am prone to, sorry / not sorry) I fear that Kreider’s deal is going to be a boat anchor in 3-4 years. It is what it is, don’t know what to say other than I disagree with the decision. It has much less to do with the return...yes I would have preferred a low offer that doesn’t end w a 7 year contract.

I will say the Skjei trade with no money coming back alleviates some of the near term $ concerns. So kudos to JG there even if the value isn’t outstanding (I do think it is at least pretty good). Yes they will need to replace an LD but that has historically been an easy position to find on the market and if the plan is (and I hope it is) to have Trouba-ADA-Fox locked in for a while they can carry some suboptimal pieces at LD. I would rather my LDs be cheap and “good” than expensive and “better” with that right side.

 

[NYRangers0723]

it’s a rebuild so there’s isn’t anything magical about it. The Rangers are going to have about 8-10 prospects all in line for raises at the same time. Spending that money now is a recipe for disaster IMO.

disagree. First off prospects are unpredictable who knows who will works. Usually only a couple need significant raises. Plus the Rangers are t a bottom feeder anymore I mean they still want to try and Get in this year. It really wasn’t a bad contract overall. Sure we would have loved one less year but he took less money

 

[mas0764]

Would Danton Heinen and a 1st did it for you then?

The point I’m trying to make is that the big time prospects from teams just were not there for Kreider. St. Louis wasn’t giving us Kostin or Kyrou either. So barring those big name prospects, what’s a realistic deal for Kreider that you think was out there that would have had you saying “wow, GREAT return!”

No one knows what the returns offered for Kreider were, other than it likely was not Newhook.

They resigned him. There's no report of offers the Rangers turned down. So you don't really know any of the above.

 

[Edge]

To be clear, I definitely do not think the Rangers were without a choice when it came to signing Kreider.

I think there were deals to be had --- good deals to be had.

Lost in a lot of chatter about what the Rangers did, and whether people fully agree with it, is the aspect that Kreider might have also come down a total of $5.25 million to remain a Ranger as well.

And there's also a good possibility that Buch, not Skjei is the one getting moved if not for some dumbf*** making a U-turn.

 

[NYSPORTS]

you do realize these trades have a bit of gambling to them right? Some trades wind up good some not as good? I think Gorton has done an excellent job. This team is young, incredibly watchable which they haven’t been for years, and one of the best prospect pools in the league. He’s had some misses but a lot of hits too. In my opinion he couldn’t get value he judged was better than the value that a re signed kreider would provide.

Com’on, please. All the drafts are a crap shoot, not all trades work, blah, blah, blah. My gosh, 24 months ago they announced a rebuild and they basically ended it today without any depth at center and few wings. They went older and more expensive so we all know what’s on deck . . . have to win with Kreider, Panarin and Zibby in their prime. So trade offf kids for more vets and then pay the kids. Same Old Rangers. Stuck to a rebuild for 2 years

 

[bleeding blue]

no, but I never expected Sakic to do much. The asking price was so high they all but eliminated Boston and likely others. I think they killed their own market

so you think because they set value they wanted for kreider that they didn’t even listen to lesser offers? That they killed the market? I think it’s good negotiation to set a high price...I’m sure they talked to all interested parties and got their best offers. In the end the value wasn’t what they wanted.

 

[NYSPORTS]

so you think because they set value they wanted for kreider that they didn’t even listen to lesser offers? That they killed the market? I think it’s good negotiation to set a high price...I’m sure they talked to all interested parties and got their best offers. In the end the value wasn’t what they wanted.

After word spread about the asking price I think teams dropped out. Appeared Boston was the first to bail so I don’t think there were many offers

 

[Avery16]

The point I’m trying to make is that the big time prospects from teams just were not there for Kreider. St. Louis wasn’t giving us Kostin or Kyrou either.

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