GDT: The 2020 TDL Thread: Part II

[Ghost of jas]

Did the demand from 7M to 6.5M also happen this morning?

Nothing about the Kreider contract should really come as a surprise, especially from the Rangers standpoint. I’m pretty sure @Edge had these parameters last week. The Rangers weren’t putting 7’s in both columns. If Kreider wanted the years, the AAV wasn’t going to be much higher than $6.4 million. And if he wanted $7 million, he wasn’t getting 7 years. My guess is that both parties preferred more years than AAV.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Not sure if you mentioned it earlier but do you have any insight into what offers were turned down for Kreider? @Edge

larry Brooks will know them all based on his unknown sources

 

[haohmaru]

Supposedly, both sides moved this morning.

Rangers went to 7 years. And Kreider came down to $6.5. Additionally, there is chatter that his initial price was actually higher than $7 million. So he probably came down closer to $750k annually from his starting point.

And this is how things go. Obviously, both sides wanted to make it work and did and that was the priority - not what "Plan B" was. Kreider obviously believes this team has a future and the Rangers believe that Kreider is a key piece to that future. I guarantee this is a lot more important "in the room" than most of us know.

 

[Tob]

My sources tell me the Rangers upper management has shifted to branding Vitali Kravstov as the dreamy one starting in the 2020-2021 season in lieu of Brady Skjei. Brett Howden is a back up.

 

[bleeding blue]

that’s a joke to think Kreider could only return a “middling prospect” and a #1 considering Brady returned a #1 while Minny got a fortune from the Islanders for Parise.

well we can agree to disagree...I think Gorton had a value he placed on kreider and the offers didn’t exceed the value. We weren’t getting newhook or the like and the josts of the world weren’t worth it in my opinion. Also pretty sure Parise trade didn’t happen

 

[bleeding blue]

I mean it’s pretty obvious to me the decision to go 7 years happened this morning

as I said, sometimes it takes a deadline to get compromise. Both parties moved this morning to get a deal done

 

[Tob]

Nothing about the Kreider contract should really come as a surprise, especially from the Rangers standpoint. I’m pretty sure @Edge had these parameters last week. The Rangers weren’t putting 7’s in both columns. If Kreider wanted the years, the AAV wasn’t going to be much higher than $6.4 million. And if he wanted $7 million, he wasn’t getting 7 years. My guess is that both parties preferred more years than AAV.

this is definitely a below market value deal. Kreider could easily get $7.5MX7 on the market with the way he's been playing. I'd bet 12 spring rolls that Kreids is the one that called his agent and said, do the deal early this morning.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I don’t think the Newhooks and Studnika’s of the prospect world were out there for Kreider. And I think that’s why he was signed.

 

[Edge]

Not sure if you mentioned it earlier but do you have any insight into what offers were turned down for Kreider? @Edge

I have a rough idea that the Rangers started at 6x6, with Kreider at 7.25x7.

Rangers came up to 6.5x6, Kreider to 7x7.

That gap remained until 7 this morning when both sides connected. Rangers continued pushing on the trade front and I suspect had at least two deals they really liked on the table.

At some point between 7 and 9, I think they put their final offer on the table and included the 7th year, but kept the salary. Kreider agreed in principle around 9, a little after 9.

 

[haohmaru]

as I said, sometimes it takes a deadline to get compromise. Both parties moved this morning to get a deal done

That was where my question was aiming when I asked did Kreider's camp go down from 7M to 6.5M. Both parties moved to make it work.

 

[Edge]

I don’t think the Newhooks and Studnika’s of the prospect world were out there for Kreider. And I think that’s why he was signed.

Boston was out, not sure Colorado was completely out.

Dallas was definitely in. St. Louis was definitely in.

 

[NYSPORTS]

well we can agree to disagree...I think Gorton had a value he placed on kreider and the offers didn’t exceed the value. We weren’t getting newhook or the like and the josts of the world weren’t worth it in my opinion. Also pretty sure Parise trade didn’t happen

after trading both our Captain and Miller years ago for Vlad N (mediocre) Howden (looks terrible) , Hajek (looks so/so) and I believe Lindkquivst (we will see) I shouldn’t be surprised

 

[Ghost of jas]

I have a rough idea that the Rangers started at 6x6, with Kreider at 7.25x7.

Rangers came up to 6.5x6, Kreider to 7x7.

That gap remained until 7 this morning when both sides connected. Rangers continued pushing on the trade front and I suspect had at least two deals they really liked on the table.

At some point between 7 and 9, I think they put their final offer on the table and included the 7th year, but kept the salary. Kreider agreed in principle around 9, a little after 9.

What I do find weird about all of this was that, for most of the season, even going back to the draft, it appeared that the Rangers had no interest in re-signing Kreider. It only seemed to start at the All-Star break.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Boston was out, not sure Colorado was completely out.

Dallas was definitely in. St. Louis was definitely in.

Was Kyrou/Kostin at all on the table? I know you mentioned Robertson

 

[NYRangers0723]

Either way it’s clear both parties wanted to make an agreement. I’m not saying the trade offers were awful but I don’t think the Rangers got anybody to bite on their asking price

 

[Tob]

Boston was out, not sure Colorado was completely out.

Dallas was definitely in. St. Louis was definitely in.

I'm guessing now that Sakic is waiting for the window to open open once Byram is ready and Newhook being a ELC option to help transition into a $10M+ MacKinnon cap hit. Joe's sat on his hands a terrible amount over so many chances to add. Very tempered.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Boston was out, not sure Colorado was completely out.

Dallas was definitely in. St. Louis was definitely in.

if the asking price was as obnoxious as reported (#1, top prospect, middle player and contingent pick) it’s no wonder Boston made their moves early and the market likely fell apart. Hey, better sign him now.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Also I’m calling BS on how the team was playing/win streak not having an effect on what they did with Kreider

It for sure had an effect

 

[Edge]

What I do find weird about all of this was that, for most of the season, even going back to the draft, it appeared that the Rangers had no interest in re-signing Kreider. It only seemed to start at the All-Star break.

I think it was always there, it was just a matter of contract.

I also think a few things started to become apparent as the season wore on --- Kakko, Kravtsov and company are going to need more time to cook than hoped. The overall shape of the team was coming together faster than anticipated.

So in a weird way, while Kakko, Kravtsov and the forward prospects didn't quite match expectations, Fox and ADA took huge steps forward and Shesterkin never missed a beat.

 

[Edge]

I'm guessing now that Sakic is waiting for the window to open open once Byram is ready and Newhook being a ELC option to help transition into a $10M+ MacKinnon cap hit. Joe's sat on his hands a terrible amount over so many chances to add. Very tempered.

Joe Sakic somewhat reminds me of Steve Yzerman in the sense that his name as a player is earning him a lot more leeway than his accomplishments as a GM probably should.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

i don’t see how the Rangers couldn’t get a top prospect or young player ready to go while owning the Top FA in the market.. The top FA on the market drew nothing and neither did the RFA like Strome. Hard to believe

Maybe they got the player they wanted in the end? Why jeopardize that with some stupid self inflicted deadline?

 

[Baby Duck Homme]

I don’t mind if the 1st rounder for Brady is late. We have picked better later in the 1st than early the last few years.

 

[kovazub94]

one word was “sensed” and I don’t believe for a second this deal couldn’t have been finalized earlier had they reached out to Kreider’s agent earlier. Look at the trades league wide. Teams paid a fortune yet the Rangers couldn’t get much for Kreider? Doesn’t add up for me

Right or wrong they wanted to see what’s the market is for Kreider too and needed to negotiate down to $6.5 m that takes time.

I for a second don’t believe that Gorton, Drury and Davidson we’re sitting on their asses and missed a good deal or an opportunity to finish negotiations with Kreider earlier.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I think it was always there, it was just a matter of contract.

I also think a few things started to become apparent as the season wore on --- Kakko, Kravtsov and company are going to need more time to cook than hoped. The overall shape of the team was coming together faster than anticipated.

So in a weird way, while Kakko, Kravtsov and the forward prospects didn't quite match expectations, Fox and ADA took huge steps forward and Shesterkin never missed a beat.

What you’re describing is why I feel optimistic going forward. When I say the window opens next year, it’s not because I think the ‘rebuild’ is completely done, or that the Rangers are Cup contenders. But, the only big piece I see missing is the LHD that anchors that side. I think Gorton has accumulated enough assets to get that piece. It may or may not be next season, but I think Gorton’s equipped to get it. And, bringing back Kreider allows Chytil, Kakko and possibly Kravtsov to remain insulated.

 

[Levitate]

Also I’m calling BS on how the team was playing/win streak not having an effect on what they did with Kreider

It for sure had an effect

I think it gave them confidence that the team is starting to move in the right direction as a whole rather than strugglign while a few star players run up some points. That probably made them more confident in the idea of extending Kreider.

If the team looked like crap and they were at the bottom of the standings I think they more strongly consider selling and not offering that contract. BUt they see a positive trend and want to keep the team headed that direction