Prospect Info: The 2016 Draft Thread [Draft Lottery April 30th]
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Jimmi McJenkins
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No question, my point is that it's annoying there aren't very high end defensive prospects in this draft.
No one challenging to be picked #1, 2 or 3.
Risto wasn't challenging Mackinnon for the #1 or #2 spots. Hanifin wasn't anywhere near the #1 or #2.
Sergachev and Chychrun are very high end D prospects. People are starting to become picky because Matthews and Laine have the #1 and #2 locked up.
Jimmi McJenkins
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Risto is still a bit overrated, and Hanifin was #3 nearly all season.
No people aren't getting picky, you just can't justify picking one of these defenseman over the available forward without it being just an atrocious move. That's where my "sadness" comes in.
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Its really tough for a D prospect to challenge for top 2 or 3. It only happens for really good D (Ekblad) or in bad draft years (Larsson in 2011). This years draft has a stacked top 3 it seems. Laine and Pulj both appear to be on Hall/Seguin/Stamkos/Mackinnon levels. Matthews on Tavares/Eichel level. Hard to dispatch those guys
But yeah I agree its tough theres no stud D like Ekblad in top 3. Although a positive is that the forwards available are mostly big PWFs. Top 5 forwards are all bigger wingers. We could end up with Dubios or Tkachuk which would fill a big need. If we move Eberle and/or Yak or even RNH for a D well need to replace that scoring.
IMO its probably better to take a forward and trade for an established young D. Considering some D prospects can take 2-3 years to get established. Whereas a guy like Dubios could jump into NHL next year, ala Landeskog
I think this draft is awesome. If we play our way out of Matthews/Pulju/Laine/DuBois we are still in position to pick the BPA which is Chychrun/Sergachev. They are safe picks and no need to feel remorse if we pick the wrong guy like we did with Yak.
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Part of the issue when it comes to picking dmen in the top 3 of a draft is the risk averse nature of the vast majority of GMs. Except for very few exceptions, dmen take at least 3 years of pro experience before you really know what you have in them. It's a tougher position to look good in early, and every single mistake is magnified because it often results in a scoring chance against.
It also doesn't help that when over the past decade or so when teams did take the plunge and picked a dman top 3, picks like Cam Barker/Erik Johnson/Jack Johnson/Eric Gudbranson came back to bite them in the sense that none of them ever lived up to the pre-draft hype.
It also doesn't help that when over the past decade or so when teams did take the plunge and picked a dman top 3, picks like Cam Barker/Erik Johnson/Jack Johnson/Eric Gudbranson came back to bite them in the sense that none of them ever lived up to the pre-draft hype.
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but our forward prospect pool is way worse off than our defensive prospects. we actually need the fwds more. We need real NHL D right now but i dont think we need more prospects at teh expense of fwds.
either way we should be drafting BPA regardless of handedness or position. imo
Digger12
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Agreed. We really shouldn't be looking a high 1st round pick (ESPECIALLY if it's in the top 5) as currency for addressing the needs of today's lineup. Any GM worth his salt should be able to tackle that without taking the easy way out and sacrificing an asset that valuable.
Top 5 pick, you select the best player you can based on what your scouts are telling you and move on with your day.
Jimmi McJenkins
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I don't disagree with any of this, I've said the same.
My point was the same, I'm sad there aren't higher end Defensive prospects in this draft period.
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After we don't win the lottery this year, we will probably be drafting somewhere in the 4-6 spot.
You would have to think Chychrun is the main focus. Researched him a little, but doesn't seem to be a ton of video and articles on him. What I have noticed is how physically developed and mature he looks. Just looking at his face he looks much older than his age.
Hockeydb has him listed at 6.02 194 lbs.
Eliteprospects 6.02 194 lbs.
Sarnia Sting website 6.02 214 lbs.
Judging by his physique in interviews etc... IMO he looks closer to that 214 mark than the 194. Is it possible that he has put on 20lbs since the start of the season?
You would have to think Chychrun is the main focus. Researched him a little, but doesn't seem to be a ton of video and articles on him. What I have noticed is how physically developed and mature he looks. Just looking at his face he looks much older than his age.
Hockeydb has him listed at 6.02 194 lbs.
Eliteprospects 6.02 194 lbs.
Sarnia Sting website 6.02 214 lbs.
Judging by his physique in interviews etc... IMO he looks closer to that 214 mark than the 194. Is it possible that he has put on 20lbs since the start of the season?
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my thing with players that are man sized in jr is how their game translates. griffin reinhart is a perfect example.
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GR couldnt score on a dominate junior team and couldnt skate. JC is an elite skater and has 7.5% of teams total points. For reference Ekblad had the same. Reinhart had less than 40 points and 4.3% of teams points.
7.5% is a great number
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im not denying his ability, sorry if it came across that way. his offensive game is better than griff for sure but i am always leary about prospects that are man sized in JR. how much of his game is pure skill and mental processing and how much is just being bigger than others?
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That's one reason people compare him to Bogosian as they are both very mature physically (though I don't think they are that similar style wise). Bogosian looked like the hulk in the 2008 combine
Reinhart was a bad pick right from the day they made it and I felt at the time that he would never be a top 4 dman and I stand by that. He was never good at generating offense, he isn't overly physical despite his size and his skating needs improvement. Chychurn has none of these issues.
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Oh I see, fair question. Although Ekblad had much of the same questions. Theres also the question of coaching and usage. Was Ekblad being used in a more restricted way to benefit the team and didnt allow him to take more risks? Some D have reigns put on them and cant show hockeyIQ as easily. But that is a thing scouts will identify
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Yah you definitely need to work about the whole men vs boys thing but people said the same thing about Ekblad a year or 2 before he was drafted. But in all reality There isn't one thing that Reinhart does better than Chychurn.
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That's one reason people compare him to Bogosian as they are both very mature physically (though I don't think they are that similar style wise). Bogosian looked like the hulk in the 2008 combine
Reinhart was a bad pick right from the day they made it and I felt at the time that he would never be a top 4 dman and I stand by that. He was never good at generating offense, he isn't overly physical despite his size and his skating needs improvement. Chychurn has none of these issues.
i also though griff was a reach at 4, i think Chychurn is the best D prospect in the draft. if we have the option to pick 4-6 and hes there you have to take him imo.
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That's one reason people compare him to Bogosian as they are both very mature physically (though I don't think they are that similar style wise). Bogosian looked like the hulk in the 2008 combine
Reinhart was a bad pick right from the day they made it and I felt at the time that he would never be a top 4 dman and I stand by that. He was never good at generating offense, he isn't overly physical despite his size and his skating needs improvement. Chychurn has none of these issues.
Yet Reinhart played at the highest levels of Junior and was a huge part of the teams.
He still can be a top4 dman, will he be? I guess we will find out in the near future.
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Murray has been oft injured, upside is debateable. 3 years after draft is he a better player than Yak? yes. But his play and upside is nowhere near a top 3 or even top 10 pick.
Galhcenyuk has just only started to emerge. Missed entire draft year. This would have been a really, really ballsy pick
Reinhart- low scoring CHL D on stacked team, had miss pick written all over him
Rielly- Missed entire draft year. Not really proven before, no way any team would have risked this
Lindholm- never a top 5 talent, see as a reach a bit on draft day, best player from draft tho
Dumba- Button or someone had him 2nd but he had/has serious IQ issues
Man 2012 was a rough draft. Either risk it with two injured players or go for low upside guys with question marks
Worst draft in a while
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