Prospect Info: The 2016 Draft Thread [Draft Lottery April 30th]

[McGoMcD]

here's a good question for ye;

is Toronto, Calgary, Van the absolute worst lottery result? Or is Matthews to Van/CGY the worst? I know it doesn't matter cuz McDavid but still....

I hope Mathews goes to (if not Edmonton of course) the Blue Jackets or the Jets

He is getting a bit over hyped. He is not McDavid and I don't think even as good as Eichel, still, great player though.

 

[Aerchon]

I hope we finish as high as possible and end up with the #2 pick.

Don't even care who we draft there. Many good options.

Hope #1 goes out east as well as #3. Although I would prefer if #1 wasn't Toronto, its just too funny to listen to them whine if they lose another draft lotto.

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

Annual Oilers Lottery Position Chase

I'll try to keep updating this, thought about starting a new thread with it, but figured it would be confusing having 2 draft threads.

The numbers below indicate how many points that team needs (or we need to lose out on) for them to be out of reach for us to pass in the standings.

- X
- X
- 1
- 3
- 4
- 4
- 8
:coyotes - 11
- 12
- 12
- 14
- 16
- 16
- 17

Lowest Possible Pick

14

 

[Stud Muffin]

 

[Forgot About Drai]

Wow.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

For those that watch the OHL frequently, what is so great about Juolevi?

 

[Jet Walters]

For those that watch the OHL frequently, what is so great about Juolevi?

I kind of get an OEL feel from him. Just great hockey sense and instincts.

edit: World Junior viewings not OHL

 

[McSuper]

McDavid-Laine duo could be the best duo......ever.

I want Juolevi on the Oilers a lot and everyone says defence this, defence that which I understand. Laine has tools.

Chia has trading chips everywhere to assist the blueline.

I agree . It better to trade one of the high price forwards for D for 2 reason . 1) Cap relief 2) It resets our time to win .

I know it Value wise an NHL proven player has more value then picks , but this team is built wrong . If I was the GM . I would try and do these things

1) Trade Hall for the 2nd or 3rd OA picks + . Reason if we could come out of the draft with the 2 Finns on ELC along with McDavid that one helluva of a first line . I like Hall but he is not the smartest guy on the block and I see many dumb plays from him . He may drive a line but most nights it means very little in terms of wins .

2) Trade RNH who I love for Hamonic + . Hamonic and Klefbom may not be the sexy top pairing D but they would be very good .

3) Make an high offer to Backs for less years 6.5 X4

In would be 2 Finns ELC with bonus just under 4 million each . Hamonic . Just over 4 million . Backs 6.5 total just under 19 million . Hall and RNH is 12 million out . also gone would be Nitikin 4.5 , Schultz 4 , Gryba , Ference buy out , Purcell 4.5 . We would have lots of cap space be rid of all the bad contracts and reset our time to win . This core is not getting it done . Also when the expansion draft comes our ELC don't need to be protected we can almost keep our whole team .

But I know other Oiler fans will rip me for it . I always wanted to trade Hall and for about a 2 month period this year I wavered a little as him and Draisaitl was rolling , now for the last month , month and a 1/2 he done very little .

 

[Logical McNonsense]

I agree . It better to trade one of the high price forwards for D for 2 reason . 1) Cap relief 2) It resets our time to win .

I know it Value wise an NHL proven player has more value then picks , but this team is built wrong . If I was the GM . I would try and do these things

1) Trade Hall for the 2nd or 3rd OA picks + . Reason if we could come out of the draft with the 2 Finns on ELC along with McDavid that one helluva of a first line . I like Hall but he is not the smartest guy on the block and I see many dumb plays from him . He may drive a line but most nights it means very little in terms of wins .

2) Trade RNH who I love for Hamonic + . Hamonic and Klefbom may not be the sexy top pairing D but they would be very good .

3) Make an high offer to Backs for less years 6.5 X4

In would be 2 Finns ELC with bonus just under 4 million each . Hamonic . Just over 4 million . Backs 6.5 total just under 19 million . Hall and RNH is 12 million out . also gone would be Nitikin 4.5 , Schultz 4 , Gryba , Ference buy out , Purcell 4.5 . We would have lots of cap space be rid of all the bad contracts and reset our time to win . This core is not getting it done . Also when the expansion draft comes our ELC don't need to be protected we can almost keep our whole team .

But I know other Oiler fans will rip me for it . I always wanted to trade Hall and for about a 2 month period this year I wavered a little as him and Draisaitl was rolling , now for the last month , month and a 1/2 he done very little .

The ONLY way Hall is being traded is if its for a very high regarded defence man. No question to it.
I do get what you saying though about drafting a forward and using other assets like Eberle, RNH, Hall to upgrade defence. We don't have time to develop new defence. Forwards can usually contribute right away.

 

[snipes]

In 62 games this year he has 11 goals and 38 assists for 49 points. He's also a +23.

Chychrun is already 6'2 215 Lbs. Could easily add a little more muscle and is an excellent skater. Sometimes I feel it's paralysis from analysis, he's a damn good hockey player and excellent prospect.

If we're sitting at 5-7 and he falls to us, we'd be stupid not to draft him. Send him back to junior and let him develop properly. He'd captain his team, play in the world juniors and grow as a defenceman. Very high upside imo.

 

[smokersarejokers]

In 62 games this year he has 11 goals and 38 assists for 49 points. He's also a +23.

Chychrun is already 6'2 215 Lbs. Could easily add a little more muscle and is an excellent skater. Sometimes I feel it's paralysis from analysis, he's a damn good hockey player and excellent prospect.

If we're sitting at 5-7 and he falls to us, we'd be stupid not to draft him. Send him back to junior and let him develop properly. He'd captain his team, play in the world juniors and grow as a defenceman. Very high upside imo.

Juolevi is also 6'2", has 42 points in 57 games, is +38 and just won gold in the WJC as his team's top defenceman.

 

[snipes]

Juolevi is also 6'2", has 42 points in 57 games, is +38 and just won gold in the WJC as his team's top defenceman.

He's an excellent D prospect as well. He looked great at the WJC, very smooth with the puck.

But, imo Chychrun has more upside and can bring more of a physical game that Chia would value. Chychrun also has 30+ pounds on Juolevi. That matters in the western conference.

But really though, they are the consensus 1-2 D prospects. Both would make our D better in the future if we bring them along properly.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

What separates them from Sergachev?

 

[snipes]

What separates them from Sergachev?

He's Russian. And we all know Russia has had the worst Dmen of the Big 5 for the past 20 years. Plus, we've had enough failed experiments with overpaid Russian Dmen... and wingers

(in all seriousness, I had Provorov as the #1 Dman last year)

He's had a good year in Windsor, although I have seen very little of him play. But, from what I have seen he has been impressive. I guess he's more of an unknown? He's also only had 1 year in NA (an outstanding year though). Very tough to project with the little knowledge I have on him.

 

[Bangers]

I agree . It better to trade one of the high price forwards for D for 2 reason . 1) Cap relief 2) It resets our time to win .

I know it Value wise an NHL proven player has more value then picks , but this team is built wrong . If I was the GM . I would try and do these things

1) Trade Hall for the 2nd or 3rd OA picks + . Reason if we could come out of the draft with the 2 Finns on ELC along with McDavid that one helluva of a first line . I like Hall but he is not the smartest guy on the block and I see many dumb plays from him . He may drive a line but most nights it means very little in terms of wins .

2) Trade RNH who I love for Hamonic + . Hamonic and Klefbom may not be the sexy top pairing D but they would be very good .

3) Make an high offer to Backs for less years 6.5 X4

In would be 2 Finns ELC with bonus just under 4 million each . Hamonic . Just over 4 million . Backs 6.5 total just under 19 million . Hall and RNH is 12 million out . also gone would be Nitikin 4.5 , Schultz 4 , Gryba , Ference buy out , Purcell 4.5 . We would have lots of cap space be rid of all the bad contracts and reset our time to win . This core is not getting it done . Also when the expansion draft comes our ELC don't need to be protected we can almost keep our whole team .

But I know other Oiler fans will rip me for it . I always wanted to trade Hall and for about a 2 month period this year I wavered a little as him and Draisaitl was rolling , now for the last month , month and a 1/2 he done very little .

Disagree with the bolded - a top 3 pick in this draft has more trade value than any player on the team not named Connor or Leon.

Hall and Nuge are kind of hard to trade for, as their cap hits are prohibitive for a lot of teams. Matthews/Laine/Pulju are NHL-ready, expansion draft protected and on ELCs/RFA status for 7 years (not to mention that they all may end up better than Hall).

Also, the 1st trade makes the team younger up front, which it real doesn't need considering they are building around two young Cs.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

I feel that Chyrchrun has been consensus best defenseman for so long that he's been over analyzed. It seems to happen a lot to top ranking defenseman as the draft gets closer. It happened to Jones and Hanifin who both fell a few spots in the draft, even happened to Ekblad leading up to the draft even though he still went #1.

 

[Oilfan2]

Disagree with the bolded - a top 3 pick in this draft has more trade value than any player on the team not named Connor or Leon.

Hall and Nuge are kind of hard to trade for, as their cap hits are prohibitive for a lot of teams. Matthews/Laine/Pulju are NHL-ready, expansion draft protected and on ELCs/RFA status for 7 years (not to mention that they all may end up better than Hall).

Also, the 1st trade makes the team younger up front, which it real doesn't need considering they are building around two young Cs.

Don't be silly.

Some folks are getting caught up in lotto fever...as per usual.

 

[Zaddy]

What separates them from Sergachev?

That's what I wonder as well and have yet to get an explanation for from anyone. I just don't see how Juolevi and Chychrun are in the conversation but somehow Sergachyov is not. It's fine to like different players but in my book these three are all very close and it basically comes down to personal preference. Serg is easily the most dynamic of the three and the best offensively. That has to count for something.

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

Hoping to finish 3rd last or lower.

If we decide to keep the pick due to expansion draft coming up, I'm happy with any of ...

Matthews
Laine
Puljujarvi
Dubois
Chychrun
Juolevi

 

[Zaddy]

I just want the season to be over and the draft lottery done so we know where our pick lands. If it's in the top3 it will be pretty boring because you know who you will get. If it's around #4-6 it would be much more interesting. My guess is something like this:

Top3: Matthews, Laine, Puljujärvi
Top5: Chychrun, Tkachuk
Top7: Dubois, Juolevi
Top10: Nylander, Sergachyov, McLeod

That's really what it looks like right now in terms of rankings and general talk I'd say. If we pick in that #4-6 range I really wonder who Chia would prefer. I'm hoping more for Dubois, Juolevi and Sergachyov than Chychrun and Tkachuk.

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

I just want the season to be over and the draft lottery done so we know where our pick lands. If it's in the top3 it will be pretty boring because you know who you will get. If it's around #4-6 it would be much more interesting. My guess is something like this:

Top3: Matthews, Laine, Puljujärvi
Top5: Chychrun, Tkachuk
Top7: Dubois, Juolevi
Top10: Nylander, Sergachyov, McLeod

That's really what it looks like right now in terms of rankings and general talk I'd say. If we pick in that #4-6 range I really wonder who Chia would prefer. I'm hoping more for Dubois, Juolevi and Sergachyov than Chychrun and Tkachuk.

Based on what I've recently heard, switch those 2 groups around. Many are now saying Dubois>Tkachuk, while reports from scouts now appear to becoming out rating Juolevi over Chychrun

 

[The Safe Play]

All the top prospect D not being RHD is really annoying.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

All the top prospect D not being RHD is really annoying.

It's more annoying that they are barely part of the top-5 prospects.

 

[Aceboogie]

It's more annoying that they are barely part of the top-5 prospects.

D prospects tend to go a bit lower in top 10. Look at guys like Lindholm, Trouba, Rielly, Risto, Fowler (dropped out of top 10), Hamilton. Hell even Jones dropped to 4

 

[GMofOilers]

I hope Mathews goes to (if not Edmonton of course) the Blue Jackets or the Jets

He is getting a bit over hyped. He is not McDavid and I don't think even as good as Eichel, still, great player though.

You thought McDavid was getting over hyped last year to though

Mathews is a stud, no doubt about it. So are the 2 finns though but no way they go #1 over Mathews though.