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Pre-Game Talk: The 2013-2014 Training Camp/Preseason Discussion Thread

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Gardner McKay said:
I still don't understand how they were able to pull that off. Talk about a sham job and it completely ****s teams that signed legal contracts in the last CBA.
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They were legal according to the letter of the law, but they clearly went against the spirit of the CBA. Does anyone honestly believe that either the Rangers or Richards intended that he would play the last 3 years of his deal at 1 mil per season?

That contract is an obvious cap circumvention, but it wasn't as egregious as Kovy's first contract and was within the limits set after the Kovy fiasco, so the league really had no choice but to let it go. I don't blame them for adding the clause and making it retro-active. They gave us a way to get out of and we didn't take it. If it comes back to bite us in the ass, we have no one to blame but ourselves.
 
cwede said:
Yeah, the NHL was just being jerks, 'punishing' teams that had spent $$$ according to the rules of the prior CBA, with both the retroactive 'cap recapture' penalty, and with this year's randomly low salary cap
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Certain teams were "being jerks" when they submitted these obviously-cap-circumventing contracts for approval, then argued that there was no basis for the league offices to reject them. Bettman went on record saying these disingenuous contracts would be dealt with by the next CBA. Teams were forewarned after the Kovalchuk debacle. And they were dealt with beautifully because if in fact the contracts were negotiated in good faith, then there would be no penalty, as the player would end up playing for the full duration of the contract. By the way, penalty is the wrong word here. The cap benefit recapture clause is a correctional tool, not a penalty. It's not punishing teams for exploiting a loophole. It's just preventing teams from enjoying the benefits of exploiting a loophole.

Even if you disagree with the above, the league offices threw the teams a bone by gifting them 2 amnesty buyouts to go along with the new clause.
 
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Levitate said:
He could be. Those kind of questions have so many variables I dont' think there's really an answer. I mean, Matteau was theoretically the difference maker between a cup and a playoff exit, and he was a 3rd line grinder.

Maybe Richards scores some big goals or makes some big plays in the playoffs, maybe he doesn't. What I think he does do is provide depth at the center position and that's never bad to have
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We're in agreement here. Good points.

Off Sides said:
This is pretty much how I feel but instead I think Richards could have lived on "only" a 6M cap hit, maybe the team did not need to pick up Powe, not sign Asham to two years, maybe traded them or Pyatt to make room. A series of small over payments and missteps to players that probably add little to the success of the team only now to be fighting to not overpay for someone who adds greatly to the success.
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I don't think Pyatt is moveable. If he was, he would have already been shipped somewhere. But overall, that cushion would have been pretty handy with the potential long-term issues we might face. Especially if Richards can't be amnestied this summer.

Crease said:
Even if you disagree with the above, the league offices threw the teams a bone by gifting them 2 amnesty buyouts to go along with the new clause.
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It's the get out of jail free card that was meant to accommodate teams that didn't plan for the inevitable. Had the NHL not gift-wrapped teams with this option, then I'd have an issue with the league. They made changes, but they allowed teams to get themselves out of trouble. That's respectable.
 
Boom Boom Geoffrion said:
I don't think Pyatt is moveable. If he was, he would have already been shipped somewhere. But overall, that cushion would have been pretty handy with the potential long-term issues we might face. Especially if Richards can't be amnestied this summer.
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If they can not amnesty Richards nothing else really matters,

I think Pyatt is moveable, might have to add a pick but some team out there would probably want him but if not the signing in the first place was the issue. Which I guess relates to no depth from the Nash trade, which relates to the Nash trade which is already being discussed elsewhere.

I don't know, just seems to me like the organization has trouble getting out of it's own way at times. Hooray we finally developed what looks to be a top line player. Let's use up almost every bit of cap space and then rely on the leverage we have to make sure we create the possibility that it could go poorly.
 
Off Sides said:
If they can not amnesty Richards nothing else really matters,

I think Pyatt is moveable, might have to add a pick but some team out there would probably want him but if not the signing in the first place was the issue. Which I guess relates to no depth from the Nash trade, which relates to the Nash trade which is already being discussed elsewhere.

I don't know, just seems to me like the organization has trouble getting out of it's own way at times. Hooray we finally developed what looks to be a top line player. Let's use up almost every bit of cap space and then rely on the leverage we have to make sure we create the possibility that it could go poorly.
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There are a ton of Pyatt's unsigned right now looking for an opportunity. I don't think there's a market for him. There are still teams that are trying to shed salary. Half the league has cap space, the other half is trying to regain some.

Going forward there will be an even greater emphasis on promoting from within. Giving young kids an opportunity to earn a spot. They're affordable. They have room to develop into something.

Look at a guy like Hrvik. I think he's a prospect that can not only replace someone like Pyatt, but ultimately outperform him at a lesser salary. Most teams in the league have someone like that.
 
Crease said:
Certain teams were "being jerks" when they submitted these obviously-cap-circumventing contracts for approval, then argued that there was no basis for the league offices to reject them. Bettman went on record saying these disingenuous contracts would be dealt with by the next CBA. Teams were forewarned after the Kovalchuk debacle. And they were dealt with beautifully because if in fact the contracts were negotiated in good faith, then there would be no penalty, as the player would end up playing for the full duration of the contract. By the way, penalty is the wrong word here. The cap benefit recapture clause is a correctional tool, not a penalty. It's not punishing teams for exploiting a loophole. It's just preventing teams from enjoying the benefits of exploiting a loophole.

Even if you disagree with the above, the league offices threw the teams a bone by gifting them 2 amnesty buyouts to go along with the new clause.
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The NHL never proposed the amnesty buyouts. The NHLPA proposed the buyouts. The NHL accepted them after the PA agreed to have the buyouts count against the players share. In the previous CBA,the buyouts didn't count against the players share. Bettman called it money outside the system.
 
In 2009,the Rangers upped their offer to Dubinsky and he accepted it. His agent Kurt Overhardt wanted $4M because he got nearly $4M for his other client Travis Zajac. Overhardt couldn't understand why the Rangers didn't want a longer term deal worth $4M. It took them a week after camp opened to make a deal. Dubinsky got $4.2M in 2011.
 
Sather’s strong hand was boosted late Tuesday night when 22-year-old restricted free agent center Nazem Kadri agreed a two-year bridge deal worth $2.9 million per year as reported by Bob McKenzie of TSN. Upon hearing the news, Sather probably produced a wide, beaming grin and might have reached for one of his trademark cigars.
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Slats might have reached for the tums and not the cigar.

It’s really all a matter of when Stepan and agent Matt Oates budge. I’m expecting that Stepan will cave sooner rather than later, and agree a two-year bridge deal in the range of $3 to $3.4 million in average annual value.
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That's not Stepan caving.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/09...-cave-so-stepan-should-settle-on-bridge-deal/

That's approaching Matt Duchene money. 5 years ago the Stepan pick was panned and now he is in line to get a contract similar to the 3rd pick overall from 4 years ago.
 
Does Slats have room to give Stepan 3 - 3.4m per?

Can Hagelin and Callahan go on LTI? How long? How small roster can we carry?

It seems pretty thight to me considering that our roster situation is pretty messy. One problem with LTI is that you do not save up any money while having players on LTI if you get up to the cap celling with the replacements and players on LTI included. If Cally and Hags wasn't injured, and say we had 100k of cap space, we could after half the season take on 150k of salary. It seems like penny and change, but it gives you a little mobility in the day to day management if you are right up against the cap.

Lets say the cap is 60m, you have a salary cap payroll of 59m, and a player that makes 2m is injured and goes on LIT, that lets you go up 2m over the cap. If you bring in a player making 1m or more, you don't save up a single penny.
 
Today doesn't matter but I'd like our first line center on the ice with the new head coach, it's kind of a big deal hopefully it can get resolved asap.
 
silverfish said:
Asham?



https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/377815242161815552

I'd like to hold on to him, especially with Cally and Hags out to start the season, but could be a simple way to clear some cap.
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Asham traded opposed to waived to the AHL saves the Rangers only 75k in comparison.

But Asham is going to be exposed to waivers sometime this season (either at the end of camp, or when Cally/Hags return) and we'll see if anyone in the league has interest.
 
Ola said:
Does Slats have room to give Stepan 3 - 3.4m per?

Can Hagelin and Callahan go on LTI? How long? How small roster can we carry?
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Think RB already covered this.

RangerBoy said:
Callahan and Hagelin will most likely miss the entire month of October. Brooks wrote about that today. Long term IR is 10 games and 24 days. Season begins October 1. 10 days and 24 days means the earliest Callahan and/or Hagelin could return is October 29th against the Islanders. The Rangers are worried about keeping extra forwards with Callahan and Hagelin not being available. The Rangers will need to do some juggling with their roster and cap. The Rangers could place one of them on long term IR and then shed the extra player(s) to be cap compliant. The Rangers have no choice but to pay Stepan more than they planned. Brooks wrote it was $2.75M-$3M. That was before Kadri.
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This needs to get done ASAP. We need a full camp with ALL of our players.
 
Dubinsky coming off a very good year fought the Rangers hard over his contract and got a contract he wasn't able to live up to--that's one major part of why he was traded. Dubinsky is a good player. Stepan is a better player--better offensively even better defensively. Not quite as good a skater or as big or strong but still worth more than Brandon Dubinsky. I don't think Stepan barring injury is going to have a problem putting up the numbers to justify the contract he's going to get out of this. Dubinsky's was a reach--Stepan even if he hits as high as $3.5 isn't a reach.

As far as Richards--the Rangers should have pulled the plug on him. They may be a better team with him this year but it won't take much to go wrong that his contract will cost the Rangers well into the future. With all the guys we have to sign next year even if he has a good year we're going to lose somebody significant if we can't amnesty him and then we'll be stuck with his cap hit for the duration of the term. It only gets worse if he has another **** season and we can't amnesty him. What comes to mind as well is if they have no intention to amnesty him however well he plays. What seems to us like a slam dunk of a move is not in the cards at all.
 
Sad to hear about Marty, but I absolutely love Hedberg, always have. Even though he was a Devil.
 
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