If they make the right moves in the off-season and everyone’s healthy next year, I don’t think I’m being a homer when I say this team can flirt with 100 wins
Blue Jays Discussion: That's it: Jays win, but don't get help from TB/WSH & are eliminated from playoff contention
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People are acting like the Skydome/fans were the big difference but the big difference was that the team had Manoah/Berrios starting home games and not Roark/Zeuch/Thornton types. And the bullpen was bolstered around the time the team moved to Toronto.
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MLB really needs to revamp their playoff format. St. Louis had a worse record than the Jays and finished 7 games clear of the NL Wildcard spot.
Maplebeasts
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While I agree for the most part I don't see why Tampa would complain. They had the best record in the AL and are being rewarded for it with the easiest matchup in the ALDS.
Suntouchable13
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I am saying they don't complain, they just win. Just win, doesn't matter who is in your division. Jays have done great this year, just got a touch unlucky with how the division played out. Very rarely do 4 teams in our division get 90+ wins. I am just saying it doesn't usually play out like this most years.
Maplebeasts
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Ah ok got it. As much as I hate them what the Rays have become with such a small payroll is nothing short of incredible.
phillipmike
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After the loss to the Yankees in the series finale, i knew we would miss. I was hopeful we would get some help and sneak into a tie breaker but i was prepared to miss so i am not as disappointed as others but it is still depressing that we likely have;
-The Cy Young Award winner (Ray)
-2 MVP candidates, one will finish 2nd, the other likely 3rd (Vladdy and Semien)
-A rookie of the year candidate (Manoah)
-Manager of the year candidate (doesnt deserve it)
-An executive of the year candidate in Atkins/Shapiro
-First time in the divisional era where 4 teams in one division have 90 wins or more
-At least 3 sliver sluggers (Vladdy, Semien and Teo - maybe Bo)
-First time Jays history to have 7 20 HR guys, 2 45+ HR guys, 4 100 RBI guys
-MLB HR record for 2B (Semien)
-MLB HR record for 22 year old or younger (Vladdy)
-2nd in MLB position player WAR, and wRC+ only to the Astros
-3rd in MLB starter WAR in the 2nd half (1st in the AL with a full WAR over 2nd place) (the Braves, Rays, and Cards have a worse starting WAR than the Jays)
-All 5 starters in the top 65 in WAR
-2 position players in the top 3 in WAR (1-2 in the AL)
-4 Position players in the top 50 in the league - Springer would have been 5 if healthy
-probably had the best off-season moves of any team; Springer, Semien and Matz and probably the best deadline moves of any team; Berrios, Cimber, Richards and maybe Dickerson.
And we didnt make the playoffs. That is truly depressing even though i knew this would happen.
This team was truly primed for a big season and a deep playoff run - possibly the best team in my lifetime and the idiot manager pissed it away due to his incompetence.
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phillipmike
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Jays Team Ranking:
Fielding Rating: 11th
Starting WAR: 11th (Berrios 18th, Ray 23rd, Matz 46th, Ryu 55th and Manoah 76th)
Reliever WAR: 25th
Position Player WAR: 2nd
C: 13th (Jansen and McGuire in the top 22both with less than 220 PAs)
1B: 2nd (Vladdy 1st)
2B: 1st (Semien 1st)
SS: 9th (Bichette 6th)
3B: 19th (Espinal 19th with only 246 PAs)
RF: 9th (Teo 7th)
CF: 18th (Springer 16th with less than 350 PAs)
LF: 3rd (Gurriel 23rd)
OF: 10th
DH: 3rd
Fielding Rating: 11th
Starting WAR: 11th (Berrios 18th, Ray 23rd, Matz 46th, Ryu 55th and Manoah 76th)
Reliever WAR: 25th
Position Player WAR: 2nd
C: 13th (Jansen and McGuire in the top 22both with less than 220 PAs)
1B: 2nd (Vladdy 1st)
2B: 1st (Semien 1st)
SS: 9th (Bichette 6th)
3B: 19th (Espinal 19th with only 246 PAs)
RF: 9th (Teo 7th)
CF: 18th (Springer 16th with less than 350 PAs)
LF: 3rd (Gurriel 23rd)
OF: 10th
DH: 3rd
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trellaine201
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Really? You can’t believe that a 92-win team came back from a 4 run deficit against a 65-win team? Doesn’t seem terribly unusual to me.
EDIT: Corrected “a run deficient” to “a 4 run deficit.” That was terribly sloppy on my part. Apologies.
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They were aggressive with Springer, and others including Berrios, so I fully expect the management group will be very aggressive to improve the team.
tmlms13
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Yeah in a perfect world, the infield on opening day 2022 will have Vlad at 1B, Bo at 2B, Semien at SS, and Ramirez at 3B with Espinal as the backup and Biggio in Cleveland. I really don't see why the FO won't be pursuing JRam considering their relationship with him and the fact that 3B was such a big hole for most of the year - this team is clearly ready to take the next step and win
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Jays playing in the AL East has cost them a lot of playoff appearances over the years. Had they been in another division, they would not have went 20+ years without playoff baseball
As an optimist, I strongly believe next year will be an even better year for the Jays and there's pretty good reason to believe so.
- Full season of Springer, Berrios, Manoah, Cimber, Richards, and Kirk (all key contributors who were either injured a lot or were not with the Jays on Opening Day)
- Full year at Rogers Centre with hopefully a full capacity by April (no more Dunedin, Buffalo, or posing as home team in Anaheim)
- More experience for young guys (Vladdy, Bo, Manoah, Romano, Gurriel, Pearson, Kirk, and Biggio if he isn't traded)
- Likely upgrades coming in offseason (big addition at 3B and a better bullpen is gonna be top priorities for FO)
- Likely regression from other teams (Tampa probably has to offload more players like they always do, Red Sox barring a major trade/signing are due to regress, and the Yankees are clearly a very flawed team all-around)
- Teo has established himself as an incredibly elite hitter (I thought he completely fluked in 2020 due to shortened season but man did he ever prove me wrong)
- Possible debuts from top prospects (Groshans and Moreno could be called-up sometime next summer)
Obviously the biggest question mark is the free agency of Semien and Ray but I'm pretty certain we will at least get one of them back, which one I have no clue. Even then, the Jays have more than enough capital to compensate in the market if they can't retain them. I know they were very unpopular during the tear down of the 15/16 teams and all throughout the rebuild but it's become quite clear Shatkins know what they are doing
trellaine201
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Let's just hope that Vladdy has another winter with the same trainer he worked with last year. The transition was ridiculous.
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SpezDispenser
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Agreed. Rogers/payroll will always be the big questionmark for this team, but I don't see this management group as the type to push so many chips in (the Ryu deal, the Springer deal, the Berrios trade) just to ease off and not push harder to take the next step (which is kind of funny to say now considering how many people were convinced they would never make a single big move just because they hadn't in Cleveland).
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That's awesome. Makes me think Semien will strongly consider re-signing.
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