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Bluelines said:
In my experience most people don't think that way, the color of a person skin has nothing to do with his character and Stro' had a combustible personality. It's easy to rub people wrong when you have an aggressive personality. I'm not sure I understand your point about a hockey forum and a person skin color, are you suggesting that Hockey fans are inherent racists?
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Their post was highly offensive garbage and should be removed.
 
ACC1224 said:
Their post was highly offensive garbage and should be removed.
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It's good to understand how everyone thinks otherwise you never know how anyone thinks and that makes for a scary world. I don't agree with her/her premise but do want to understand what the inference to hockey forums and the color of peoples skin was.
 
I don't think people dislike Stroman any more than they disliked Bauer(before his whole potential issues that arose this year). Fans in general I mean. Jays fans probably dislike Stroman more because he was here before so they have been exposed to his personality more. It has nothing to do with his race and everything to do with him coming off like he does and it rubbing people the wrong way
 
What are your thoughts on Pat Tabler as a colour commentator?

IMO, he's incredibly boring... just an absolute dullard with no personality who brings zero entertainment value to the job despite working in the entertainment industry

He never seems to engage in conversation with his partner in the booth, he just makes statements the whole time

It's baffling to me how anyone at Sportsnet can think he's what fans want to listen to during a game...
 
The Blue Jays not wanting Stroman =/= not wanting good pitchers. It means they don't want to sign Marcus Stroman. God damn twitter is dumb lol.
 
AllDay28 said:
I just wanted to let you guys know. I figure most around him hate him cause he’s a charismatic black guy (it is a hockey forum at the end of the day).. so just wanted to reaffirm that the front office doesn’t want him (locker room issue guy) although he’d be a great fit.
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Ahhh yes, he's hated because he's a "charismatic black guy". It has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that he essentially implied out in the open that the front office had no intention of making moves to create a winner. Another time he ran to Twitter to cry that he wasn't informed/consulted about Ryan Goins being released. He seemingly spent a full year actively trying to create or promote a rift between the fans who follow him on Twitter, and the front office. But what, it's supposed to be some shock that they perhaps don't want him back? If you openly try to criticize your employer on social media, do you think they'd be interested in re-hiring you? He even tried to rile the fans up when he lost his arbitration case - making it seem like the front office were "the bad guys" for daring to play by the rules of the CBA LMAO.

He's a picture perfect example of an egomaniac, and he's a dangerous one at that because he can't prevent himself from using victim tactics and self promotion as a means of creating outrage that only benefits HIMSELF. The fact that he has the gall to parade around his "Duke degree" is comical - there are guys in pro sports who went to schools like Harvard, and I've never seen any of them flip it into some "look at me! I have a Harvard degree" spectacle. The fact that he went to Duke does not in any way validate his opinions or even suggest that he's "smart".
 
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I am probably the most pro-Stroman guy here even I can't defend that one.

Still would bring him back though if the money was right (which it won't be).
 
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AllDay28 said:
Got some inside info… Stroman will never be a Jay again
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From an ability standpoint, I think he’d fit in well but off the field he is too much of a distraction to a young team trying to take the next step. Also his relationship ended bitterly with Shatkins which is the same with Donaldson - all we need to know is neither guy is ever gonna be a blue jay ever again and there’s no need for them anymore
 
I think the Jays don't want Stroman is overblown.

Yes, he called out the front office. But that has nothing to do with why he won't be a Jay.

He won't be a Jay, because he made 19 million this year and stands to make more in free agency. If we want similar performance, we would re-sign Matz who would love to be here again (and who make a fraction of the cost)
 
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Bjindaho said:
I think the Jays don't want Stroman is overblown.

Yes, he called out the front office. But that has nothing to do with why he won't be a Jay.

He won't be a Jay, because he made 19 million this year and stands to make more in free agency. If we want similar performance, we would re-sign Matz who would love to be here again (and who make a fraction of the cost)
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Precisely this. If we have $25 mil to spend on a pitcher, it might as well be on Ray. If we don't have that kinda cash, then can go with Matz.
 
Woodman19 said:
Gausman is probably our top target. He brings Stroman production without Stroman attitude.
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Not really. Gausman was significantly better.

That being said, neither is subject to a QO. I would honestly be talking to Matz no matter what to see what he's hoping to get.
 
Also, if Toronto can't re-sign Semien, I would be perfectly happy with moving Espinal to 2B and going after a 3B instead. That being said, I'd love Marcus back.
 
I'm not petty, but hope the Yankees win to make the fans sad. And then they get swept by Tampa.

I am not mad.
 
Bjindaho said:
Not really. Gausman was significantly better.

That being said, neither is subject to a QO. I would honestly be talking to Matz no matter what to see what he's hoping to get.
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I would QO Matz, Ray and Semien. Matz probably takes it and Ray and Semien reject it. Go out and push for Gausman while retaining leverage with Semien and Ray with the QO over their head and if you can get 2/3 great if you lose any of them you get comp picks and in a perfect world you nab all 3.
 
Woodman19 said:
I would QO Matz, Ray and Semien. Matz probably takes it and Ray and Semien reject it. Go out and push for Gausman while retaining leverage with Semien and Ray with the QO over their head and if you can get 2/3 great if you lose any of them you get comp picks and in a perfect world you nab all 3.
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Unless there's a huge payroll spike coming, I don't think you can risk spending nearly $20 million next year on Matz because that probably prevents you from making significant moves elsewhere.
 
metafour said:
Ahhh yes, he's hated because he's a "charismatic black guy". It has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that he essentially implied out in the open that the front office had no intention of making moves to create a winner. Another time he ran to Twitter to cry that he wasn't informed/consulted about Ryan Goins being released. He seemingly spent a full year actively trying to create or promote a rift between the fans who follow him on Twitter, and the front office. But what, it's supposed to be some shock that they perhaps don't want him back? If you openly try to criticize your employer on social media, do you think they'd be interested in re-hiring you? He even tried to rile the fans up when he lost his arbitration case - making it seem like the front office were "the bad guys" for daring to play by the rules of the CBA LMAO.

He's a picture perfect example of an egomaniac, and he's a dangerous one at that because he can't prevent himself from using victim tactics and self promotion as a means of creating outrage that only benefits HIMSELF. The fact that he has the gall to parade around his "Duke degree" is comical - there are guys in pro sports who went to schools like Harvard, and I've never seen any of them flip it into some "look at me! I have a Harvard degree" spectacle. The fact that he went to Duke does not in any way validate his opinions or even suggest that he's "smart".
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I don't hate Stroman because of his skin color; I have a personal animus towards anyone who HAS to be the victim of every scenario, and that's Stroman. Everyone's always an enemy.
 
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Maestro84 said:
From an ability standpoint, I think he’d fit in well but off the field he is too much of a distraction to a young team trying to take the next step. Also his relationship ended bitterly with Shatkins which is the same with Donaldson - all we need to know is neither guy is ever gonna be a blue jay ever again and there’s no need for them anymore
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Wait, what happened with Donaldson?
 
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