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Kurtz said:
Agreed, although I don't think we need a 3B if Semien stays. Espinal had an OPS of .774 and played good D there. Also there's Kevin Smith.
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I think Espinal is a fine starter. I also think Biggio is a fine starter(at 2nd base). I think for a team that's trying to win a world series the ideal situation is 1 of them is your worst starter(non catcher) and the other is a really really good bench player. Rather than Biggio 2nd, Espinal 3rd and I guess Smith/Lopez or some addition as your bench player? I definitely think we add an infielder who is better than both guys.
 
Canada4Gold said:
I'm still not over it. I guess I can console myself by saying Montoyo just would have done something incredibly stupid in a must win game to blow it in the playoffs anyway so in some ways this is almost better right? Right? :(

Pending Arbitration raises and a possible budget raise they should have somewhere int he range of 50 to 60 million dollars to spend next year to add to this team. That's with only 4 real holes, 1 starter, 1 infielder(Biggio/Espinal covers 1 spot), and 2 pen arms. I don't expect all that to be on long term deals because they have to save room for the young guys getting more expensive, but I anticipate 1 long term deal and 1 short term buy low deal to fill the non-bullpen holes. Something like Ray + Story, or Correa + Syndergaard.

Losing Ray and Semien hurts but besides that the young guys are 1 year older and a little bit better. If we can replace them for not too much of a loss, with the added pen security(Cimber, Richards + hopefully 2 more arms) I think we should clearly be a better team next year.
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Playing in Toronto for the whole season will also be a huge boost.

The biggest need positionally is keeping Ray or finding a replacement for him. A top four of Ray/replacement, Berrios, Ryu, and Manoah is among the best in the league. I wouldn't mind keeping Matz as well.

Even if they had Biggio at second and Espinal at third, the Jays should get more games out of Springer and the catching position won't be a black hole offensively next year. I think Jansen will provide at least average offensive production. That's the worst-case scenario too.
 
SpezDispenser said:
Yankees can eat shit
Boston can eat shit
Tampa can eat shit

Anyone else can win the ws.

Our whole division can eat a trough of shit actually
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This will be the 10th straight season where an AL East team will be playing in the ALCS

Yankees (2012, 2017, 2019)
Red Sox (2013, 2018)
Blue Jays (2015, 2016)
Rays (2020)
Orioles (2014)

The 14th time in 15 years.

Yankees (2009, 2010)
Rays (2008)
Red Sox (2007)

And if we went all the way back to 1988, one of these five AL East were in the LCS 28 of 33 years

Yankees (1996, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2003)
Blue Jays (1989, 1991, 1992, 1993)
Red Sox (1988, 1990, 2004)
Orioles (1997)

So if an AL team wants to get to the WS, they almost certainly have to go through one of these 5 teams in the ALCS
 
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Well our hearts broke for the Jays missing the playoffs just in time for the Leafs season to start and have them break our hearts too
 
phillipmike said:


If we can’t get one Marcus S. we know another Marcus S. is interested in the Blue Jays.
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I think the jays will be interested in another Mets starter.

I think Syndergaard to the jays on a short term deal makes a lot of sense for both parties. I guess it depends if he accepts the qualifying offer or not.

If the jays lose Ray I expect Syndergaard and Gausman to be jays main targets.
 
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Brock Boeser Laser Show said:
I think the jays will be interested in another Mets starter.

I think Syndergaard to the jays on a short term deal makes a lot of sense for both parties. I guess it depends if he accepts the qualifying offer or not.

If the jays lose Ray I expect Syndergaard and Gausman to be jays main targets.
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I was wrong about Stroman tbh I thought he'd be mediocre at best but he's actually become a darn good pitcher in the league and I think he'd fit in well with this rotation - only problem, he and the FO had some beef right as he was traded (similar to JD)

I'd be down to sign Thor to a contract similar to the one they got for Semien and Ray this past winter. I know Thor's value is in the drain right now due to injuries but when healthy he can easily be a game changer in any rotation
 
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Also do you guys think Robbie Ray can be a legit ace going forward in the long-run or was this just an incredibly good career season for the southpaw? Rick Porcello was a decent above average pitcher then he suddenly won the CYA in 2016 and never came close to that level again...

Like I'm not expecting him to be a CY Young front-runner every year but if he can be an ace pitcher where he can have a low 3 ERA, strikeout a ton of guys and put the team in position to win every start then he would certainly be worth the long time risk.

Semien I'm less worried about drop offs because he was already an MVP candidate prior to his tenure in Toronto whereas Ray was always a streaky starter before blossoming into an elite one this year
 
canucksfan said:
Playing in Toronto for the whole season will also be a huge boost.

The biggest need positionally is keeping Ray or finding a replacement for him. A top four of Ray/replacement, Berrios, Ryu, and Manoah is among the best in the league. I wouldn't mind keeping Matz as well.

Even if they had Biggio at second and Espinal at third, the Jays should get more games out of Springer and the catching position won't be a black hole offensively next year. I think Jansen will provide at least average offensive production. That's the worst-case scenario too.
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I believe Matz had the second lowest ERA among the team's starters post-all star break (behind only Ray of course). I think he's finally realizing his potential dude's got some wicked stuff
 
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Man these guys really care! What a likable team. Bo was gutted, ready to cry the whole time during his interview.
 
Maestro84 said:
Also do you guys think Robbie Ray can be a legit ace going forward in the long-run or was this just an incredibly good career season for the southpaw? Rick Porcello was a decent above average pitcher then he suddenly won the CYA in 2016 and never came close to that level again...

Like I'm not expecting him to be a CY Young front-runner every year but if he can be an ace pitcher where he can have a low 3 ERA, strikeout a ton of guys and put the team in position to win every start then he would certainly be worth the long time risk.

Semien I'm less worried about drop offs because he was already an MVP candidate prior to his tenure in Toronto whereas Ray was always a streaky starter before blossoming into an elite one this year
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I know sports is a business, but I feel Ray would be a donkey if he just left to chase money only. We literally turned his career around.
 
man, we need ramirez on this team next year, we need an impact 3rd baseman that can hit left. get it done!!!
 
Pretty great season, nice late run, pretty well positioned going into next year.
Stings tho.
 
Maestro84 said:
Also do you guys think Robbie Ray can be a legit ace going forward in the long-run or was this just an incredibly good career season for the southpaw? Rick Porcello was a decent above average pitcher then he suddenly won the CYA in 2016 and never came close to that level again...

Like I'm not expecting him to be a CY Young front-runner every year but if he can be an ace pitcher where he can have a low 3 ERA, strikeout a ton of guys and put the team in position to win every start then he would certainly be worth the long time risk.

Semien I'm less worried about drop offs because he was already an MVP candidate prior to his tenure in Toronto whereas Ray was always a streaky starter before blossoming into an elite one this year
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It is definitely a thing that just kinda sticks in the back of the mind. It is probably why I would be pretty hesitant to go with much term on a deal with Ray. 3 years in the 60 million range. If he starts getting offers 5 years and up is where I would have trouble justifying it.
 
theaub said:
Yes, although with the CBA expiring in a couple months that may change.
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I would think any change the occurs regarding free agency wouldn’t come into effect until next offseason. I’m pretty sure that’s how it worked when the CBA last expired during the 2016-17 offseason.
 
The whole comp pick system is stupid anyway. I don't know why they can't just add picks. Player gets QO'd and declines give the former team a pick after the 1st round, the new team doesn't give up anything there's an extra pick. Then we don't even need that stupid rule a player can only be QO'd once in his career because it no longer affects the signing team. Is that also the roundabout way why it's no longer a 1st you get but a pick either between the 2nd/3rd or 3rd/4th pending how much your market sucks? Because the signing team no longer gives up a 1st because that hurt player leverage too much so for some reason we can't be gving out high picks now anymore either?
 
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