Blue Jays Discussion: That's it: Jays win, but don't get help from TB/WSH & are eliminated from playoff contention

[MS]

The problem wasn't that Law was wrong about Biggio - nobody is going to be anywhere near 100% accurate on this stuff - it's that he was so aggressively, dickishly wrong about it.

 

[Hoverhand]

 

[theaub]

I don’t follow. Are we supposed to talk about how he wasn’t right every day? It’s been well established that Law was wrong about Biggio. That horse has already been beaten to death.

Whenever Cavan is not on screen, all the other posters should be asking 'where's Cavan?'.

 

[Bjindaho]

That's because Buck can't enter the country.

 

[theaub]

Probables out for the weekend, Matz/Manoah/Ryu.

A bit surprised that Manoah is not going Friday but it doesn't affect a potential playoff rotation and I'm guessing they want to match hm up against Means.

 

[VanillaCoke]

With the seasons the players and pitchers are having this team should definitely be a playoff team.

 

[stickty111]

If you're talking about a team "deserving" to make the playoffs, how many games you win is waaaaaay more important than when you win the games.

So they didn't win enough games and as a result didn't deserve to make the playoffs.

 

[Dr.Funk]

 

[Discoverer]

So they didn't win enough games and as a result didn't deserve to make the playoffs.

Sure, but that wasn't the point you made.

A lot of people think the 1987 Jays deserved to be in the playoffs because they were the second best team in baseball that year. I don't think that's unreasonable.

 

[phillipmike]

With Matz likely leaving via free agency. One guy I would be interested in a 1 year show me deal is Jose Quintana. Former ace, velocity has been the same the last 4 years and had a 3.5 fWAR in his last full season in 2019. 2020 was shortened and couldn’t perform with the Angels but did ok with Giants before getting DFA’d today.

His K% has dramatically increased but so has his walk rate. A perfect pitcher for Walker to work with on a 1 year deal.

 

[Dr.Funk]

 

[stickty111]

Sure, but that wasn't the point you made.

A lot of people think the 1987 Jays deserved to be in the playoffs because they were the second best team in baseball that year. I don't think that's unreasonable.

Maybe just my thinking, but when we go out the way they did, you shouldn't be in the playoffs.

 

[Nineteen67]

How will the three way tie work with Bos Sea and Jays?

 

[Kurtz]

Looking bleak...but we still got a shot. Need to sweep Baltimore, no doubt about it. But Boston is ice cold and they got their 4th and 5th starters coming up...they'll drop a game to the Nats, I think. Seattle's hot but Angels are competitive - I can see them taking a game as well. 3-way tie, let's do it, baby!

 

[dredeye]

Looking bleak...but we still got a shot. Need to sweep Baltimore, no doubt about it. But Boston is ice cold and they got their 4th and 5th starters coming up...they'll drop a game to the Nats, I think. Seattle's hot but Angels are competitive - I can see them taking a game as well. 3-way tie, let's do it, baby!

Nice to be positive but that’s a wrap. Hopefully they f***ing fire montoyo so we can come in better prepared for success next year

 

[trellaine201]

Some of those badly managed games haunt us now. Pretty sure he stays though. Need some left handed bats not named Dickerson. Grichuk probably needs a replacement as well.

 

[phillipmike]

Some of those badly managed games haunt us now. Pretty sure he stays though. Need some left handed bats not named Dickerson. Grichuk probably needs a replacement as well.

unfortunately the one that hurts the most is the error on the final out of the 2-1 game vs the Tigers. That was a guaranteed win in the bag and Semien messed up. Ended up losing is extras.

We win that game and we are currently in a tied for WC2 and 2 back of WC1.

 

[phillipmike]

How will the three way tie work with Bos Sea and Jays?

Fit to be tied: AL Wild Card chaos abounds

Re-reading these scenarios in the link above just proves this system is idiotic.

To tie:
-Jays go 3-0
-Boston AND Seattle go 2-1 AND/OR Tampa sweeps the Yankees

OR

-Jays go 2-1
-Boston AND Seattle go 1-2

OR

-Jays go 1-2
-Boston AND Seattle go 0-3

To win a spot outright:
-Jays go 3-0
-Boston AND Seattle go 1-2

OR

-Jays go 2-1
-Boston and Seattle go 0-3

There is no scenario where the Jays go 1-2 where they can win a spot outright.

 

[phillipmike]

A crappy series but this signing really makes me happy.

Also the only silver lining of missing the playoffs is perhaps Montoyo is fired. If we miss and he is retained, then i dont know what to say.

 

[phillipmike]

OF course we would love to have a game 162 of consequence but it is going to suck if our season comes down to Ryu.

 

[Kurtz]

OF course we would love to have a game 162 of consequence but it is going to suck if our season comes down to Ryu.

Keep him under 90 pitches or twice through the order max. I think he can manage that.

We might need to embrace TB's ideology a bit more next year - try to limit starters to twice through the order. Turn Hatch back into the opener - we really messed it up with him this year by wasting all of his innings in the minors when we desperately needed him up here for most of the year.

 

[TGB]

And...it ends on the team failing to do the one thing I've been pointing out all year long: hit in the clutch. Lots of hits, but no runs.

Now we have to hope Seattle and Boston totally blow their final games.

 

[Puckstuff]

I just can’t get over the stupidity of leaving Ray in the 3rd time through the order when he has an era that was over 4.75. Montoyo needs to be fired, this is insane.

 

[theaub]

Keep him under 90 pitches or twice through the order max. I think he can manage that.

We might need to embrace TB's ideology a bit more next year - try to limit starters to twice through the order. Turn Hatch back into the opener - we really messed it up with him this year by wasting all of his innings in the minors when we desperately needed him up here for most of the year.

This only works when you have a bullpen that you actually trust.

Even last night for all the complaining I saw on Twitter etc about Ray facing the Yankees a third time...much rather go down with him than trying to cobble together four innings out of this tired bullpen.

 

[Nineteen67]

Fit to be tied: AL Wild Card chaos abounds

Re-reading these scenarios in the link above just proves this system is idiotic.

To tie:
-Jays go 3-0
-Boston AND Seattle go 2-1 AND/OR Tampa sweeps the Yankees

OR

-Jays go 2-1
-Boston AND Seattle go 1-2

OR

-Jays go 1-2
-Boston AND Seattle go 0-3

To win a spot outright:
-Jays go 3-0
-Boston AND Seattle go 1-2

OR

-Jays go 2-1
-Boston and Seattle go 0-3

There is no scenario where the Jays go 1-2 where they can win a spot outright.

Thanks

Jays sweep and we get the chaos.

“What happens next: In this example, the Yankees nail down the top Wild Card spot and get to host the AL Wild Card Game. But we'd need two tiebreaker games to determine their opponent.

The Red Sox went 14-12 against the Mariners and Blue Jays, while the Mariners went 7-6 against the Red Sox and Blue Jays. Those are identical winning percentages, so the Red Sox win out by virtue of their 4-3 showing against Seattle and get to choose an A, B or C designation first. The Mariners choose next, and the Blue Jays get whatever is left over.”