Love ya buddy!I don't give a "flying shit" about anyone in this story, I don't know anyone personally, certainly not the girl or players, and i'll never know the full details of what happened, so unless you or anyone else does, you are lying if you claim you truly "care".
That's your opinion.I have the opposite opinion and think a lot of the texts and messages show that to be not the case.
If it were so true and clear, where are the criminal charges?
I'm not disagreeing with you here. But :
- It's not because players aren't specifically banned or suspended that they'll get NHL deals.
- There's absolutely no way the perpetrators are escaping it if charges are laid.
- I'll add a provisio : if the report is leaked or otherwise published, and that the main takeaway from it is along the lines "there's at least some solid evidence that the infractions have been committed, but convictions are unlikely because they're really hard to obtain in SA cases", Bettman and Daly will act regardless.
Inquiring minds want to know!There were reports of "major issues with the woman's credibility"
It's really despicable that these investigations are made public before due process plays out.
A bad decision was climbing over the fence to escape high school, running to the subway and taking in a matinee baseball game and lying to my parentsAmazing to think what I have learned here:
Court of public opinion is more just than the actual criminal or civil courts.
Evidence isn't important, all we need is what some "investigators" paid by a party with a huge vested and financial interest here believe is to be closer to the truth.
Persons who make bad decisions one night when they are 17-20 years old should be banned from making any kind of living. They really should be homeless and hungry it seems.
The people have the right to know dammit about private matters. Details are REQUIRED!
Did I miss anything?
Okay? It would suck to lose the player, but if the player was guilty i wouldn’t have any issue cutting bait.IF one of them as on the Wings (and was a good player), I doubt you'd be OK with the team cutting bait.
The only thing is, the money is coming from people who didn't earn any of that money. They just didn't want any trouble.I feel like if they weren't guilty, hockey Canada wouldn't have settled for millions of dollars with the victim.
"We know these guys are innocent and you're making false claims against them that hold no merit. So here's nearly 3 million dollars to settle this out of court"
I don't think that's what happened here.
Wait so no charges and just suspensions?
If the case were strong enough, charges would have been made long ago. The suspensions are nothing more than satisfying the mob.
Second chances/forgiveness were part of a society that doesn't exist anymore.
Nothing these players ever say or do will be enough for the mob so its in their best interests to move to another country in a new career or hockey league. Even if he chose another career at home the cult members will track him down and boycott the employer until hes fired.
When did the nhl’s investigation begin? Surprised it’s not finished yet
With any luck, one those rankings will eventually be by prison term.Since this is hfboards, I do expect that, once the names are released, there will be no fewer than 3 threads made on the general board in order to rank these players in different ways.
Thanks.
I find it's odd you use the Chicgao results as an example punishment without a charge won't happen, but Bowman and Q are still suspended from the league. I still don't think being charged is going to be the only thing that would lead to player suspension.Also, in terms of how the league handles this, the one thing I always harken back to is the fact that Gary Bettman and Bill Daly are lawyers through and through.
If you think back to how they handled the Chicago situation, it was lawyer-speak at every turn. They protected the league. They did everything they could to minimize their liability – past, present and future. They didn't send a message. They didn't draw a line. They didn't do "what's right".
I expect that'll happen again.
Unless criminal charges are filed by London Police, I expect many in this thread (who want significant punishment) will be disappointed.
I find it's odd you use the Chicgao results as an example punishment without a charge won't happen, but Bowman and Q are still suspended from the league. I still don't think being charged is going to be the only thing that would lead to player suspension.
Thus isn't accurate to details at all. They aren't formally suspended but Bettman has said they had to request meetings to be reinstated, which they have and he said he is meeting with them each this month. Teams wouldn't of just been able to hire them then rush that meeting. They are still in a hold to the league and Bettman directly.Both Bowman and Quenneville resigned from their roles when the scandal broke, and neither has been officially “suspended” by the league. Both are able to pursue job opportunities with NHL teams, and it was reported that Bowman was a finalist for a couple of GM jobs this summer. The only league mandated punishment is that when they do find a job, they’ll need to meet with Gary Bettman prior to starting. Nobody believes that he’ll block a hiring.
I think most would agree that they, alongside everyone else involved, got off pretty easy.
Hell, Blackhawks ownership were just given a money making machine by the league.
That incident also took place in the context of the NHL, too. The victim was a player employed by a NHL team. This took place before any player was in the league. I can’t think of an example of a player being suspended for an allegation and not arrest. Voynov, for example, was arrested and charged. He was suspended. Evander Kane was not arrested or charged. He was not suspended.
Maybe it’ll be different. But with Bettman and Daly in charge, I wouldn’t bet on it.
Thus isn't accurate to details at all. They aren't formally suspended but Bettman has said they had to request meetings to be reinstated, which they have and he said he is meeting with them each this month. Teams wouldn't of just been able to hire them then rush that meeting. They are still in a hold to the league and Bettman directly.
And that final line sums it up. You need to reevaluate or talk out to some people exactly how you see the world.
Thank God we have one person still keeping a cool head.While I agree what they are accused of doing is a heinous act and should be severely punished, I'm also of the mindset that we need to wait and see what the investigation uncovers before this punishment is doled out.
People want vengeance now and I understand that, but we shouldn't just assume everyone is guilty just because someone made a claim.
They can't and shouldn't just blindly assume everyone is telling the truth.
Hope Dave Forbes is in one of those cellsWith any luck, one those rankings will eventually be by prison term.
GoodSecond chances/forgiveness were part of a society that doesn't exist anymore.
Nothing these players ever say or do will be enough for the mob so its in their best interests to move to another country in a new career or hockey league. Even if he chose another career at home the cult members will track him down and boycott the employer until hes fired.
It's not naivety, it's just pure disingenuousness.I didn't used to think so many people were so naive when it comes to rape cases and how difficult they are to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. Then I read this thread. There can't seriously be this many people who are stupid enough to think that the justice system does a good enough job when it comes to sexual assault.
You are suggesting guilty until proven innocent because the justice system fails innocent victims and then turning around and promoting a system that fails the innocent accused. From a utilitarian standpoint this may be the best outcome based on the data. But, the justice system at least attempts, even if often failing, to bring the truth to light and I think there is value in that.I didn't used to think so many people were so naive when it comes to rape cases and how difficult they are to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. Then I read this thread. There can't seriously be this many people who are stupid enough to think that the justice system does a good enough job when it comes to sexual assault.
Less than half of sexual assaults reported lead to a charge and less than half of those ever make it to court. THEN only about 10% of those get a conviction and of those convictions, only half get any kind of custody. For those doing the math here, with generous numbers, If there are 100 sexual assaults, 50 get charges, 25 go to court, 2.5 get a conviction, and on average 1 perpetrator goes to jail for any time.
Yea the league definitely shouldn't be allowed to do anything unless these guys are proven guilty by a court of law....for sure.
From arrest to conviction: Court case outcomes of police-reported sexual assaults in Canada, 2009 to 2014
This Juristat measures the 'fall-out' of sexual assault cases in the Canadian criminal justice system in order to provide vital context for how sexual assaults are handled in the justice system.www150.statcan.gc.ca
Would you have banned Peyton Manning for his transgressions at UT or is it just Vick that is subject to this treatment ?IMHO, all pro sports should keep bad people out because pro athletes set an example for youth. I still believe that the NFL should have banned Michael Vick (who was convicted and spent time) for life, but, no, they let him play out his career just because some team needed a pro-quality QB which were in short supply.
What's the downside? These guys then have to suffer through ordinary jobs just like their would-be fans.
"The world needs ditch diggers too." ~ Judge Smails
I thought it was the states role to make sure rapist don't go unpunished...Because as a paying customer of the league I want to know that they won't let rapists go unpunished?
I'll ask again. What is a reasonable punishment that could be levied that won't out who the players involved are?