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Olympics: Team USA 2022

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Czechboy said:
True..

Now tell me how many of the Canadian and US players playing in the Euro leagues will be in the NHL?

I'm positive that NCAA number is considerably higher, no?

Eg. I think Owen Power will be in the NHL. Now name me a guy from Canada/US in a Euro league that you think will be in the NHL?
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Lasch and others good americans in SHL, NLA; KHL is top players in their leagues. Being a top player in NCAA is not as impressing as being a top player in SHL, NLA; KHL. Most of the NCAA guys on this team will be lucky to ever have a career as Lasch had. Lasch and others you know what u will get, they are not prospects. Picking so many young NCAA players is a shot in the dark.
 
Eye of Ra said:
Lasch and others good americans in SHL, NLA; KHL is top players in their leagues. Being a top player in NCAA is not as impressing as being a top player in SHL, NLA; KHL. Most of the NCAA guys on this team will be lucky to ever have a career as Lasch had. Lasch and others you know what u will get, they are not prospects. Picking so many young NCAA players is a shot in the dark.
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Was the answer to 'name a guy that will be in the NHL' Lasch? 1 guy?

The argument isn't NCAA is better than KHL.

The argument, to me, is that picking guys that may become NHL players over guys that will never play in the NHL again isn't a bad idea.

Using Czechs - if we played our Euro Czechs against our NCAA/CHL/AHL Czechs - that is a very close game.
 
Czechboy said:
Was the answer to 'name a guy that will be in the NHL' Lasch? 1 guy?

The argument isn't NCAA is better than KHL.

The argument, to me, is that picking guys that may become NHL players over guys that will never play in the NHL again isn't a bad idea.

Using Czechs - if we played our Euro Czechs against our NCAA/CHL/AHL Czechs - that is a very close game.
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I rather pick players who are really good KHL players right now than NCAA players that MIGHT be good NHL players in the future. But thats just me perhaps.
 
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Eye of Ra said:
I rather pick players who are really good KHL players right now than NCAA players that MIGHT be good NHL players in the future. But thats just me perhaps.
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So you wouldn't take Power? You'd rather a Canadian in the KHL on D?
 
NCAA is a fine league, but Russia, Sweden are bringing their best and Finland will likely bring a better team than the one that won world championships against an all NHL team Canada. There will be 1000+ game NHL veterans in this tournament.
 
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It's really easy to understand why USA Hockey made the choices they did. All you have to do is look back to the last Olympics. The best players were the college kids. When people talked about what they should have done instead, it wasn't that they should have brought Lasch or different Euro pros, it was that they should have brought more college kids, so that's what they've done. Maybe they overcorrected, but if they disappoint again, I doubt most Americans are going to complain that they brought too many players from the NCAA. At a minimum, fans get to see their prospects play on a big stage.
 
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Namejs said:
It looks like you literally don't know a single thing about hockey outside of North America. SHL is a more competitive league than AHL. If someone scores at a ppg rate over in Sweden, you can't possibly refer to a tiny sample size of games played in AHL in trying to make the point that the player sucks.

NCAA is about as good of a league as the Swedish *2nd division*. Yet you're snubbing a leading SHL forward over a bunch of kids playing mediocre amateur hockey.

It really doesn't make any sense.
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Matty Beniers is playing mediocre in a mediocre league. Wow you are awful at this debate.

You are arguing for a player that couldn't make it out of the AHL and ECHL in the prime of his athletic career.

So your whole gripe is to downplay the NCAA and pump up the SHL/KHL leagues. That's not even a subject for this thread. You still don't get why NCAA kids go when the NHL isnt sending anyone.

You are too busy being defensive about the European leagues. Idiotic.
 
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SanDogBrewin said:
You are too busy being defensive about the European leagues. Idiotic.
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I think he is just being realistic. Have you looked at other teams rosters? Russia hasn't published yet but we know they will have a KHL star lineup. Finland just published theirs lead by NHL vets and KHL stars, team full of world champions from mens competition.

I get why USA sends NCAA players, good chance for them. Just don't expect anything.
 
SanDogBrewin said:
Hey who knows maybe those former NCAA players, will one day, be 34 and leading a European league after busting in the ECHL and AHL.
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Lasch didn't fail in the ECHL, he was over a PPG. He didn't do well in the AHL because he was put on the 4th line and expected to grind which is not and never has been his game. But in Europe, on the big sheet (which the Olympics are played on) he's been over a PPG every year since 2017 and is just under a PPG for his career there. To just dismiss him as nothing is ridiculous.
 
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The Rabid One said:
Lasch didn't fail in the ECHL, he was over a PPG. He didn't do well in the AHL because he was put on the 4th line and expected to grind which is not and never has been his game. But in Europe, on the big sheet (which the Olympics are played on) he's been over a PPG every year since 2017 and is just under a PPG for his career there. To just dismiss him as nothing is ridiculous.
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At least he would have been close to the required level with O'Neill and Shore, Kampfer.

Might as well have went full NCAA and just show off some young talent, instead of bothering those professionals in their seasons to go lose some games in China.
 
I really like the USA's approach to this tournament and hope/wish Canada would emulate the same model for their roster choice. I would much prefer seeing us try some highly touted prospects this side of the pond that might one day be stars in the senior men's team - when NHL available hockey tournaments are a thing again - than washed out has-beens that won't really meaningfully ever contribute to the North American hockey leagues again
 
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They'll win a game, the one against China. That's my expectation. Anything above that is positive surprise.
 
The Rabid One said:
Lasch didn't fail in the ECHL, he was over a PPG. He didn't do well in the AHL because he was put on the 4th line and expected to grind which is not and never has been his game. But in Europe, on the big sheet (which the Olympics are played on) he's been over a PPG every year since 2017 and is just under a PPG for his career there. To just dismiss him as nothing is ridiculous.
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The Olympics are not on big ice this go around. It's an important factor the "team needs more Euro-based players" crowd keeps ignoring. I'd have Lasch on my team either way, though.
 
The Rabid One said:
Lasch didn't fail in the ECHL, he was over a PPG. He didn't do well in the AHL because he was put on the 4th line and expected to grind which is not and never has been his game. But in Europe, on the big sheet (which the Olympics are played on) he's been over a PPG every year since 2017 and is just under a PPG for his career there. To just dismiss him as nothing is ridiculous.
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Getting kicked down from the AHL to the ECHL is under achieving. Never got a sniff at the NHL cause he sucked. Never been invited back to try n get in the NHL. Why is that ?
 
Marioesque said:
I think he is just being realistic. Have you looked at other teams rosters? Russia hasn't published yet but we know they will have a KHL star lineup. Finland just published theirs lead by NHL vets and KHL stars, team full of world champions from mens competition.

I get why USA sends NCAA players, good chance for them. Just don't expect anything.
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I think the US will do good. I'm glad other nations are getting good players, vets even. Be great competition for the US.
 
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SanDogBrewin said:
Getting kicked down from the AHL to the ECHL is under achieving. Never got a sniff at the NHL cause he sucked. Never been invited back to try n get in the NHL. Why is that ?
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Your exact quote was he busted in the ECHL...he didn't. He's small and doesn't like contact, he didn't in college. So it's not a surprise he didn't make the NHL. I think he could have been a good AHL player if he'd been given a shot above the 4th line but he wasn't. So he took a bigger payday in Europe. Nothing wrong with that. But to say he sucks is ignorant.
 
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The Rabid One said:
Your exact quote was he busted in the ECHL...he didn't. He's small and doesn't like contact, he didn't in college. So it's not a surprise he didn't make the NHL. I think he could have been a good AHL player if he'd been given a shot above the 4th line but he wasn't. So he took a bigger payday in Europe. Nothing wrong with that. But to say he sucks is ignorant.
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So no answer as to why he didn't try to climb the ladder back up to try another shot at the AHL or NHL ?

And there lots n lots of ex-NCAA players that piled up points in the ECHL. Nothing ignorant about that whatsoever.
 
SanDogBrewin said:
So no answer as to why he didn't try to climb the ladder back up to try another shot at the AHL or NHL ?

And there lots n lots of ex-NCAA players that piled up points in the ECHL. Nothing ignorant about that whatsoever.
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The answer is straight up in the comment you quoted?
He went to Europe for a better payday, rather than keep trying in the AHL/ECHL
 
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