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Rabid Ranger said:
I think he has a chance because 1) he plays for Sullivan which might also give the inside track to guys like Guentzel and Rust and 2) he is a very good defensive d-man. A lot of options for the U.S. on the blueline.
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I’m a Pens fan obviously, but I don’t think Rust should make team USA. Guentzel will make it, but I’m not a big fan lately…
 
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I’m a Pens fan obviously, but I don’t think Rust should make team USA. Guentzel will make it, but I’m not a big fan lately…
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Rust being picked would almost seem like taking a "specialist" forward instead of taking the best forwards. I know he can PK and he's solid defensively, but he's not really elite at either aspect to bring along as a guy to anchor your top PK unit or shutdown line at the expense of more talented players being left behind.
 
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Sidney the Kidney said:
Rust being picked would almost seem like taking a "specialist" forward instead of taking the best forwards. I know he can PK and he's solid defensively, but he's not really elite at either aspect to bring along as a guy to anchor your top PK unit or shutdown line at the expense of more talented players being left behind.
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It would very much be a "Rob Zamuner" like pick, although to be fair to Rust he has a good scoring touch.
 
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As per Elliot Friedman...

* Jack will likely fail his physical with the Sabres and be stripped of his Captaincy.
* Eichel thought he'd be operated on / recovered by now.
* Eichel blames the Sabres for the Olympics.
* Jack wants to be traded !!!!
* No one knows where this is going.
* Lots of hard feelings between Jack and the Sabres.

"One longtime executive said this week 'this is the most complicated situation I’ve seen' during his professional existence."

32 Thoughts: The state of the RFA market as training camps open (sportsnet.ca)
 
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Info I've gathered (no links)...

Few doctors believe Artificial Disc Surgery (ADR) is best for Eichel. He's gone to other surgeons, besides the one who wants to operate, and they agree with the Sabres.

As per the Sabres, it's Fusion or nothing, and they have the final say.

Trade offers for Jack haven't been close to what Buffalo wants.

Jack's No Trade Clause kicks in NEXT season so the Sabres have time.

Jack hired a new agent.
 
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My 2 cents...

Jack has handled this poorly - and that's putting it mildly...

* The Sabres have NO incentive to blink - in fact, blinking could cost them $50M.

* No other team will give up anything of substance for a pre-surgery Jack.

* Jack has no leverage.

Eichel hoped the Sabres would give in on ADR (Artificial Disc Replacement) because it would allow Jack to play in China.
Jack badly miscalculated because the Olympics are the LEAST of the Sabres' concerns - and they're acting accordingly.
 
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I don't know how to post a "tweet"...

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Adds there’s a lot of hard feelings and Eichel knows that if he has the surgery now he won’t be able to play in the Olympics which adds another level of disappointment to all this. Eichel’s not happy about the fact that it will cost him a spot on the U.S. Olympic team.

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Eichel has no one to blame but himself. At every turn, he has done the wrong thing. This whole mess has a "Lindros" feel to it.
 
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I would say the chances Eichel is able to play in the Olympics at this point are pretty minimal. Tough loss so I hope some of the other options rise to the occasion this season.
 
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Rabid Ranger said:
I would say the chances Eichel is able to play in the Olympics at this point are pretty minimal.
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After months of playing hard ball, I can't imagine Kevyn Adams giving into Eichel on ADR - especially after all the ugliness. Plus, the Pagula's have 50,000,000 reasons to say no.

The ONLY scenario I see where Jack plays in China..

Another team agrees to :

1) the "healthy Eichel" price the Sabres want for (an injured) Eichel;
2) Eichel having Artificial Disc Replacement - the team would have to accept not only the risk of Eichel's surgery, but also his full salary, which insurance would no longer cover.

That's a steep hill.
 
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If Eichel can't go you have Matthews as #1 and then I think you'll see this group heavily considered:

* Larkin
* Trocheck
* Nelson
* J. Hughes
* Zegras
* Pavelski
* JT Miller

If Larkin reverts back to 2018 form I think he makes the team. If not, not sure. Miller should make the team and provides a lot of flexibility but is a bit of a hot head. You can probably only take one of the kids. My gut tells me Zegras might be the one. I think he has the more mature game at the moment. Guys like Trocheck and Nelson ebb and flow. Love Pavelski but his lack of foot speed might be an issue on this stage.
 
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I like Pavelski for a tournament like this. Larkin is another guy I’d have on the team. I think he’s better than his numbers on a terrible team. Should be one more spot. Hopefully it’s Eichel, but if not, we’ll see who else steps up.
 
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Pavel Buchnevich said:
Hopefully it’s Eichel, but if not, we’ll see who else steps up.
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While it doesn't look good, my gut tells me that Eichel will get ADR and be available for the Olympics - assuming the surgery goes well.

Then it will only be a question of whether USA hockey feels he's ready - after a year off and a recent neck operation.
 
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ORRFForever said:
While it doesn't look good, my gut tells me that Eichel will get ADR and be available for the Olympics - assuming the surgery goes well.

Then it will only be a question of whether USA hockey feels he's ready - after a year off and a recent neck operation.
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I agree that he’ll get that surgery. I cannot believe he will be getting a surgery an employer tells him to get over the one him and his doctors want. I think that the Sabres only lose the longer this goes in PR and draft capital. I think it’s now about if he gets that surgery before being traded. If not, he probably needs a trade within the next two months to be ready for the Olympics.
 
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Pavel Buchnevich said:
I agree that he’ll get that surgery. I cannot believe he will be getting a surgery an employer tells him to get over the one him and his doctors want. I think that the Sabres only lose the longer this goes in PR and draft capital. I think it’s now about if he gets that surgery before being traded. If not, he probably needs a trade within the next two months to be ready for the Olympics.
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If the Sabres allow Eichel to get ADR, insurance no longer covers Eichel's salary. Assuming insurance covers 80%, that's $40M. Needless to say, that's a LOT of money. For that reason, I don't see him getting ADR as a Sabre.

The scenario I see...

Team A gives the Sabres a player and a pick for Eichel. They add a conditional pick (or 2) based on how well he plays. The new team has agreed to let Eichel get ADR.

The problem:

1) The same insurance issues apply to the new team - so why would they do it?
2) No one knows how long it will take Eichel to heal - ADR for an athlete is unknown.

There's the possibility that Eichel gets better just before the Olympics and then USA hockey has to decide whether they should bring a rusty Eichel or not.

Needless to say, there are a LOT of "ifs".
 
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ORRFForever said:
If the Sabres allow Eichel to get ADR, insurance no longer covers Eichel's salary. Assuming insurance covers 80%, that's $40M. Needless to say, that's a LOT of money. For that reason, I don't see him getting ADR as a Sabre.

The scenario I see...

Team A gives the Sabres a player and a pick for Eichel. They add a conditional pick (or 2) based on how well he plays. The new team has agreed to let Eichel get ADR.

The problem:

1) The same insurance issues apply to the new team - so why would they do it?
2) No one knows how long it will take Eichel to heal - ADR for an athlete is unknown.

There's the possibility that Eichel gets better just before the Olympics and then USA hockey has to decide whether they should bring a rusty Eichel or not.

Needless to say, there are a LOT of "ifs".
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I agree, but I also think there will be some agreement made either with the Sabres or his new team about what happens with the insurance if the surgery isn’t successful and the insurance for his contract would become important.
 
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Pavel Buchnevich said:
I agree, but I also think there will be some agreement made either with the Sabres or his new team about what happens with the insurance if the surgery isn’t successful and the insurance for his contract would become important.
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That's too many moves ahead for me.

Someone in an Eichel thread made an interesting point...

USA hockey may not allow Eichel because they are unsure of ADR - imagine if he has a spinal injury.

All things considered, the odds of Jack being at the Olympics are less than 50%. How much less?... No one knows.
 
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From what I've read, the VAST majority of surgeons do not recommend ADR for athletes who play contact sports - including the Sabres surgeon who helped pioneer ADR.

Eichel has found one surgeon who will give his blessing. Needless to say, on a human level, this could end badly.
 
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Ya rust should never be in the convo lol. Sorry but there are so many wingers that are ahead
 
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SpencerR85 said:
Debrincat-Matthews-Kane (C)
Gaudreau-Eichel-Guentzel
Connor-Larkin-Wheeler (A)
B Tkachuk-Miller-Boeser
Pavelski (A)

McAvoy-Fox
Werenski-Jones (reunited)
Slavin-Carlson (A)
Q Hughes

Hellebuyck
Gibson
Demko

Taxi Squad
Trocheck, Pacioretty, McDonagh, Petry, Campbell

Wheeler, Pavelski, Carlson, Kane veteran leadership on this team.

On paper they are the biggest threat to Canada for Gold.
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No Matt tkachuk??

am I the only one that wants both of them on the team? Feel like they can be a real pain in the ass to play against

also the more I think about it the more I like Nelson making the team In a shutdown 4th line role. I wish couts played for team USA as he was born here…if he did he would easily be the number 3 center and would really balance things out
 
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