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GregSirico said:
I think it's how much money we gave him combined with the fact that he was WAY past his prime. We did what the Rangers do, get guys in their twilight not their prime.
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True, but some of these have been quality adds.

I still do Richards and MSL again 10/10 times.
 
GregSirico said:
MSL yes Richards IDK. The MSL trade / value added to the team is extremely underrated.
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Without Richards there's no 2012, and in turn, maybe no 2014. He also shielded Stepan and allowed him to come along nicely. He added a lot, albeit at too much money.
 
Machinehead said:
Guys we've had recently who were nasty and could play:

-Derek Dorsett
-Dan Carcillo
-Brian Boyle
-Dan Boyle

I'd love to have another Carcillo on this team. Good defender, could PK, would give you 10 goals, knew how to skate. That guy was lit.
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Dorsett and Carcillo were very hard to play against and both very tough for their size. I liked Carcillo a lot but I don’t ever remember him killing a penalty for us. How they played the game also took a huge toll on both of them. Dorsett forced to retire earlier this year because of injury and there is no chance he’ll ever play a professional game anywhere again. A lot of people don’t like players like them but the game eats players like that up.

Brian Boyle is just massive and strong and not really nasty IMO. Great personality. Great teammate.

Dan Boyle had a great career and was edgy before he became a Ranger. By the time he got here he was just old and washed up. Not a good idea by Sather choosing him over Stralman.
 
eco's bones said:
Dorsett and Carcillo were very hard to play against and both very tough for their size. I liked Carcillo a lot but I don’t ever remember him killing a penalty for us. How they played the game also took a huge toll on both of them. Dorsett forced to retire earlier this year because of injury and there is no chance he’ll ever play a professional game anywhere again. A lot of people don’t like players like them but the game eats players like that up.

Brian Boyle is just massive and strong and not really nasty IMO. Great personality. Great teammate.

Dan Boyle had a great career and was edgy before he became a Ranger. By the time he got here he was just old and washed up. Not a good idea by Sather choosing him over Stralman.
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They chose Girardi over Stralman
 
Machinehead said:
Wilson isn't a good enough player to make what he brings an asset. You have to hang out there or your toughness means nothing. 35 points this year playing with Ovechkin and Backstrom. Give me a stick....

Roussel is a good, solid player.
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It's all even strength, he doesn't play PP. Yes he plays with some pretty damn good linemates.

Why is he a bad player though?
 
LiasAndersson said:
It's all even strength, he doesn't play PP. Yes he plays with some pretty damn good linemates.

Why is he a bad player though?
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Doesn't score without generational linemates, bad at possession, takes too many penalties.

Literally isn't good at anything. I don't know what you want me to tell you...
 
Machinehead said:
They chose Girardi over Stralman
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They chose Boyle over Stralman. Girardi was already signed—signed before Stralman or Boyle became free agents. It’s clear that they chose an aging and practically washed up Boyle over Stralman. It’s just not the narrative that some want to hear. But the money was there for one or the other and Sather chose Boyle.
 
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Machinehead said:
I wouldn't even glorify that with an @

Fast is Gretzky next to Tom Wilson.

Slow, dumb, no hands, can't pass, can't shoot. He's an actual goon.
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As much as I am with you on Wilson, he's a pretty fast skater. He's just useless at most other parts of the game, except hitting guys when they're not looking and putting them in the hospital.
 
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eco's bones said:
They chose Boyle over Stralman. Girardi was already signed—signed before Stralman or Boyle became free agents. It’s clear that they chose an aging and practically washed up Boyle over Stralman. It’s just not the narrative that some want to hear. But the money was there for one or the other and Sather chose Boyle.
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Agreed, they also signed Glass that same summer so even if they had to pay Stralman more than Boyle they had the cap space.
 
Machinehead said:
They chose Girardi over Stralman
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eco's bones said:
They chose Boyle over Stralman. Girardi was already signed—signed before Stralman or Boyle became free agents. It’s clear that they chose an aging and practically washed up Boyle over Stralman. It’s just not the narrative that some want to hear. But the money was there for one or the other and Sather chose Boyle.
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You both right.

The decision to sign Girardi (over Stralman) impacted the decision during the following offseason to sign Boyle became the FO was looking for an offensive RH defenseman who could also quarterback PP. Stralman did not fit this description so this is where Boyle enters, which obviously was a miscalculation or worse.
 
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kovazub94 said:
You both right.

The decision to sign Girardi (over Stralman) impacted the decision during the following offseason to sign Boyle became the FO was looking for an offensive RH defenseman who could also quarterback PP. Stralman did not fit this description so this is where Boyle enters, which obviously was a miscalculation or worse.
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The Girardi signing did impact what happened afterward but Dan was getting first pairing minutes on a team that was first overall and went to the finals. Sather decided he needed a right handed offensive guy but he chose a guy who was pushing 40 and showing signs of decline. This is a case of Sather trying to be too smart and it cost him and us.

No doubt that Girardi has declined a lot since too. Stralman is not quite as good as he was either FWIW. His first couple years in Tampa though he was a monster. IMO Sather didn’t see what others clearly saw particularly in Boyle’s case.
 
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Caps are not trading Wilson anyway. He’s been on their first line and they like his physical game. Make no mistake they like him running around and running players through the boards. They want him to play on the edge and they want him crashing the net and creating havoc in opponent’s goal creases....and if an opponent ends up in the hospital because he’s run them over....well it’s tough shit for him.

Sometimes I’m amazed by opinions here. Leo Durocher a long time ago succinctly put it ‘nice guys finish last’. Practically every team in the league has a peckerhead of one kind or another. Some teams have 3, 4, 5, 6. For real. Our biggest peckerhead might be Kreider—after that I don’t know who. Zucc? He’s hardly Brad Marchand. To me he’s basically a little guy who pushes back when he’s shoved. AV did not encourage his players to push back or defend each other. The team has to reidentify. I don’t exactly want them to be nice guys anymore.
 
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