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Is team toughness really that weak?
Did losing Prust and Dubinsky really hurt it that much?
Loosing them was part of loosing an identity and an edge. And that has yet to be replaced.
I don't see us as not tough, we got some size and grinders.
The size on this team is not very well put to good use. And the amount of players willing to grind is not large.
This isn't the smurfs.
No, but there is not much size and no mean streak. Not a hard team to play against right now.
 
This is a .500 team and will miss playoffs. I said it before season started and I will say it again.

Dorsett is our policemen...enough said.
 
This is a .500 team and will miss playoffs. I said it before season started and I will say it again.

Dorsett is our policemen...enough said.

You don't need a policeman in the NHL today.

In saying that, they need more than 1 player capable of playing the game with a bit of an edge AND backing it up.
 
You don't need a policeman in the NHL today.

In saying that, they need more than 1 player capable of playing the game with a bit of an edge AND backing it up.

not talking about a goon but there are still teams that carry them. Leafs have 2 heavies, Orr & McLaren, 1 light heavy, Frasor, 1 middleweight,Clarkson, no need to discuss Bruins again...

However, at this point...I would take a Boulton over a Pouliott or Pyatt.
 
not talking about a goon but there are still teams that carry them. Leafs have 2 heavies, Orr & McLaren, 1 light heavy, Frasor, 1 middleweight,Clarkson, no need to discuss Bruins again...

However, at this point...I would take a Boulton over a Pouliott or Pyatt.

No thanks. I'd take a couple more middleweights on the team who can play the game. Maybe a LWer for the 4th line like Nystrom or someone like that and a d-man who can drop the gloves would be nice.

I'm over the "heavies" who can't skate and play 3-4 minutes a night.

Boulton is an awful hockey player.

Matt Martin is a good example of the player I'm talking about.

Ryan Reaves is a good 4th liner who can drop the gloves.

Kyle Clifford.

Cody McLeod.

etc.
 
No thanks. I'd take a couple more middleweights on the team who can play the game. Maybe a LWer for the 4th line like Nystrom or someone like that and a d-man who can drop the gloves would be nice.

I'm over the "heavies" who can't skate and play 3-4 minutes a night.

Boulton is an awful hockey player.

Matt Martin is a good example of the player I'm talking about.

Ryan Reaves is a good 4th liner who can drop the gloves.

Kyle Clifford.

Cody McLeod.

etc.

Love Matt Martin, Reaves, Clifford, Nolan, King

Hate Boulton, but he offers more than Pyatt or Pouliott
 
Love Matt Martin, Reaves, Clifford, Nolan, King

Hate Boulton, but he offers more than Pyatt or Pouliott

id love Shawn Thornton on this team, speaking of goons that can play although does not put up a lot of pts.. how did the Ducks let him go..


how about Matt Beleksey from the Ducks. he fits the bill....
 
id love Shawn Thornton on this team, speaking of goons that can play although does not put up a lot of pts.. how did the Ducks let him go..


how about Matt Beleksey from the Ducks. he fits the bill....

he was free for all to take...Sather the best GM of all time just plan ole sucks and lost his touch the last 5 years in Edmonton...in New York that gives you a lifetime contract.

For every good move Sather makes...he makes 5 terrible ones...Rangers will never win cup with him in charge.
 
Me too, although there is a long list of players I would take over either of them.

Just pisses me off to see a bunch of teams like the Kings that have these big rugged players who can play some and we have none on our team and none in our system. I have always been a big fan of Clark and Groton but that falls on them because I know Sather has no idea who we are drafting.
 
Just pisses me off to see a bunch of teams like the Kings that have these big rugged players who can play some and we have none on our team and none in our system. I have always been a big fan of Clark and Groton but that falls on them because I know Sather has no idea who we are drafting.

I agree with ya. Hard to argue here.
 
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Disregard the above, it probably ended up in the wrong thread.
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A typical example of Rangers pitiful situation when it comes to lack of toughness.

Last night Dorsett got spanked again, this time by a guy who doesn't fight much, but has size.

It isn't fun to watch a teammate getting manhandled like that, if Dorsett won it could have created some momentum for the Rangers and changed the game.

Fighting certainly isn't dying, it's part of the game, but the Rangers have no answer for it.

 
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Disregard the above, it probably ended up in the wrong thread.
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A typical example of Rangers pitiful situation when it comes to lack of toughness.

Last night Dorsett got spanked again, this time by a guy who doesn't fight much, but has size.

It isn't fun to watch a teammate getting manhandled like that, if Dorsett won it could have created some momentum for the Rangers and changed the game.

Fighting certainly isn't dying, it's part of the game, but the Rangers have no answer for it.



it would be nice if Yogan or Kantor can be that guy for us in the future. a big 4th liner in the mold of Matt Beleksey or Kyle Clifford. someone that can fight and actually play 10 mins a night without a problem. not a 2 min guy like Mashinter..
 
I strongly felt that the Rangers lost their identity when they lost Prust, and Dubinsky. To lose a couple of warriors like that, among others, and have only Twigy go out there to take a beatdown after beatdown... well it's easy to see why the Rangers don't battle to score on 2nd, 3rd chance opportunities with a creme puffs in the middle of the line up.

Watching Kevin Klein beat down Twigy just gives teams with added physical dimensions in their line up the confidence and knowledge that they can run around and get after the Rangers early on and play a team that's not going to battle back and mail it in because of so many non response type of players playing ineffective minutes.

Two guys like Brassard and Pouliot being out there like that for a collective 30 minutes out there a game means a .500 team with the current squad. I mean those wrist flickers from 50' feet out really have an impact on a winning product don't they?

The Rangers were icing 5 guys like that during the horrendous start and preseason and we all saw what happened. With so much parity in the league, and guys laying it all on the line, you need guys that will go out there try and change the momentum, play hungry, and not let the other team play with any momentum.

This current Ranger team mails it in as soon as they go down by 2, and Twigy can't do much to deter against that, liking his in-shift game as of late, but the entire NorthEast is built a little heavier, just like the Pacific, and the records of those teams (playoff bound) reflect that, so it's not just a matter of LA, SJ, PHX... There's TOR, BOS, TB, MTL too that ice rosters with players that finish their checks and step up for team mates. That TB defense was huge and did not have to do much once Labrie beat down Twigy. In a game of arms you know the Rangers simply don't stack up.
 
how does the Wolfpack have more toughness than the Rangers??? at this point call up Haley, Yogan, Kantor.. cant be worse than Pyatt and Pouliot..
 
how does the Wolfpack have more toughness than the Rangers??? at this point call up Haley, Yogan, Kantor.. cant be worse than Pyatt and Pouliot..

Because goons at the NHL level tend to be better players at lower levels?

And no thank you I'll keep Pyatt and Pouliot.
 
Love Matt Martin, Reaves, Clifford, Nolan, King

Hate Boulton, but he offers more than Pyatt or Pouliott
Matt Martin was a great pick. One guy that impressed me for 4th line duty was Cody McCormick. Never thought much of him but he played well in that game a few weeks back. Did well in the scrap with Mashinter too. There are plenty of guys out there that can play the game and improve the overall toughness. Player X along with Dorsett and hopefully McIlrath later this year changes the toughness dynamic completely.
 
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Disregard the above, it probably ended up in the wrong thread.
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A typical example of Rangers pitiful situation when it comes to lack of toughness.

Last night Dorsett got spanked again, this time by a guy who doesn't fight much, but has size.

It isn't fun to watch a teammate getting manhandled like that, if Dorsett won it could have created some momentum for the Rangers and changed the game.

Fighting certainly isn't dying, it's part of the game, but the Rangers have no answer for it.





spot on!!!!!!!! man i miss colton orr, it was worth being a rangers fan with him being on team alone! he was it! don't tell me every opposing player didn't have an eye on where he was and what he was thinkin.
 
Wouldn't mind Colton Orr back in the lineup.

At least we can enjoy some vids from the days when the Rangers were pretty tough, like this one last year. You remember that opening against the Devils? ;)

 
Man do people have short memories about Dubi...he was about the worst fighter ever for his first few seasons here only the last few did he learn to throw a little...he is talked about here like Gordie Howe....as far as Dorsett goes he is awful at fighting too..I'm sick of little guys with big hearts who cant set the tone physically even Prust who I liked threw pillows...great tactical fighter but scared nobody...give me Orr everyday of the week
 
Wouldn't mind Colton Orr back in the lineup.

At least we can enjoy some vids from the days when the Rangers were pretty tough, like this one last year. You remember that opening against the Devils? ;)



yep, thats when deboer was puttin his goons against our first lines and torts had had enough, this part of our game is sorely missed
 
Geeze. Did not know last night was this bleak physically:

Following the Rangers 5-0 loss to Tampa Bay, Alain Vigneault said, via the NY Post, that the Rangers pitched a “no-hitter.”

Vigneault was talking about how the Rangers never “touched a soul” and the team only had 13 hits in the entire game.

Ryan Callahan (3), Brian Boyle (2) and Rick Nash (2) were the only Rangers with 2 or more hits last night.

Read more:
http://snyrangersblog.com/2013-14/read-the-no-hitter-the-rangers-pitched-last-night/

At least AV is calling it out...
 
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