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I think that once big McIlrath comes around he will help change the complexion of this team, much like Lucic and the Bruins. Kreider already looks like he has that snarl. Hopefully those two can inspire the team to defend each other and not take anything from anyone.
 
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SingnBluesOnBroadway said:
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, the inability to draft tough, aggressive and physical third and fourth line players plays a big factor here.
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That is a part of it. Another is valuing what you have. These players have been here before. Dubinsky (not a 3rd liner, but has the mentality that you are describing), Prust.....These players were here, but the decision process was made to move them or not resign and what they brought to the table has not been replaced. This goes back a long way. Players like Marchant and Ian Laperrier were also shipped out and then we lamented that we had no players in our bottom 2.

The other thing that the team needs to address is the mentality. I have been saying for a long time that the team needs a mean streak. Ever team that wins has that component. Even under Torts, the team lacked a mean streak.
 
BlessThisMess513 said:
I think that once big McIlrath comes around he will help chane the complexion of this team, much like Lucic and the Bruins. Kreider already looks like he has that snarl. Hopefully those two can inspire the team to defend each other and not take anything from anyone.
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I know this isn't what you meant but I feel this is part of the problem with the Rangers. Oh we need to get tougher? Add McIlrath. Oh we need scoring, get Nash! Oh we need depth, trade Gaborik!

One player isn't enough. What type of team do they want to be?
 
NYR Viper said:
I know this isn't what you meant but I feel this is part of the problem with the Rangers. Oh we need to get tougher? Add McIlrath. Oh we need scoring, get Nash! Oh we need depth, trade Gaborik!

One player isn't enough. What type of team do they want to be?
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Sometimes it can be. Look how much faster this team looked after Hagelin and Kreider came back. It forces other forwards to play catch-up, and just an overall quicker game. McIlrath might not be enough, but one more drop-em guy can have a rub-off effect on this team in the same way. Either way, he's a big step forward.
 
Raspewtin said:
Sometimes it can be. Look how much faster this team looked after Hagelin and Kreider came back. It forces other forwards to play catch-up, and just an overall quicker game. McIlrath might not be enough, but one more drop-em guy can have a rub-off effect on this team in the same way. Either way, he's a big step forward.
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I agree with the premise of what you wrote. The old Rangers played differently with Avery because it made everyone get involved. He pulled others in with his antics (and it worked well with this team). However, if this team is really going to try and be a hard-nosed, in your-face team that I think it should be with the speed they have currently, assuming 1 player, a rookie, to solve the issue is not a smart way to go in the same way last year the Rangers hoped Kreider could help fill-in the secondary scoring.

Need some redundancy.
 
NYR Viper said:
I agree with the premise of what you wrote. The old Rangers played differently with Avery because it made everyone get involved. He pulled others in with his antics (and it worked well with this team). However, if this team is really going to try and be a hard-nosed, in your-face team that I think it should be with the speed they have currently, assuming 1 player, a rookie, to solve the issue is not a smart way to go in the same way last year the Rangers hoped Kreider could help fill-in the secondary scoring.

Need some redundancy.
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Thats so 2 years ago. We are a speed/skill team now, according to Glen Sather's latest whim.
 
NYR Viper said:
I still consider this an issue and have been saying so for over a year now. I don't want this team to employ a heavyweight. What I want is 2-3 guys who can drop the gloves if they feel someone has taken a liberty on one of their players.

The funny thing is, teams with 2-3 of those players seem to employ more of a Pack mentality where anyone is willing to do it not because they have the skill, but because they see their teammates giving 110% effort and doing all they can to fight for eachother. The Rangers of a few years ago had this. Players played bigger than they were. They were hard to play against because they didn't take anything from anyone. It was going to be a battle any night any team played the Rangers.

I'll let it slide for now, but to me, it's an issue that needs to be addressed.
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Yes thank you, that's what I was trying to say
 
Bleed Ranger Blue said:
Thats so 2 years ago. We are a speed/skill team now, according to Glen Sather's latest whim.
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So where do players with not too much speed or skill fit? Somebody should ask Sather what team he wants to be because if we are a speed/skill team, we need to draft speed and skill.
 
RangersHank said:
So where do players with not too much speed or skill fit? Somebody should ask Sather what team he wants to be because if we are a speed/skill team, we need to draft speed and skill.
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They always have a home on the New York Rangers.

Vigneault, almost unwittingly, gave a glimpse into the Rangers' management culture when talking about Del Zotto. He said something like "I've been told there is much more to his game."

The suits in the executive suite think they're smarter than they actually are. Sather is the biggest culprit.
 
Bleed Ranger Blue said:
They always have a home on the New York Rangers.

Vigneault, almost unwittingly, gave a glimpse into the Rangers' management culture when talking about Del Zotto. He said something like "I've been told there is much more to his game."

The suits in the executive suite think they're smarter than they actually are. Sather is the biggest culprit.
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Yep, i hear you. For some reason, we STILL dont have an identity. Lots of different players on this team but if we are trying to be skilled and fast, why have some of the guys we have?
 
RangersHank said:
For some reason, we STILL dont have an identity.
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I know the reason. Creating a time identity and philosophy takes time and requires formulating a long-term strategy. And that takes time and hard work. This GM has not shown a willingness, desire or inclination to do the hard work required to build a team that has a identity.
 
SingnBluesOnBroadway said:
I know the reason. Creating a time identity and philosophy takes time and requires formulating a long-term strategy. And that takes time and hard work. This GM has not shown a willingness, desire or inclination to do the hard work required to build a team that has a identity.
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Right. This team has a new identity every year.

Its usually some vague mandate from Sather referencing the last team to win the cup, and how thats the way of the NHL - like that fossil has his hand on the pulse of the league these days.

What Sather does with coaches is the equivalent of asking them for a filet mignon dinner and supplying them with a few cans of spam in the kitchen.
 
SingnBluesOnBroadway said:
I know the reason. Creating a time identity and philosophy takes time and requires formulating a long-term strategy. And that takes time and hard work. This GM has not shown a willingness, desire or inclination to do the hard work required to build a team that has a identity.
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Agreed. And thats what made 11-12 so great, the team built an identity and stayed with it through the entire season and playoffs. Sather trades for John Scott in 11-12 when we can make a legitimate cup run but in 12-13 he trades for Clowe when we were fighting for a playoff spot. That pissed me off. Trade for Clowe in '12, the big trade was John Scott.

After 11-12 for some reason, he ripped half the team apart. Why not add to what was successful?
 
Bleed Ranger Blue said:
Right. This team has a new identity every year.
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Becuase there's an inability to see beyond the current season. You know, because "every year our goal is to win the Cup" and "any season when you don't win the Cup isn't successful."


Bleed Ranger Blue said:
What Sather does with coaches is the equivalent of asking them for a filet mignon dinner and supplying them with a few cans of spam in the kitchen.
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I think it's more akin to saying you're going to make a filet mignon dinner but only have ground chuck but nobody will know the difference — y'know because they're both beef.
 
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SingnBluesOnBroadway said:
Becuase there's an inability to see beyond the current season. You know, because "every year our goal is to win the Cup" and "any season when you don't win the Cup isn't successful."




I think it's more akin to saying you're going to make a filet mignon dinner but only have ground chuck but nobody will know the difference — y'know because they're both beef.
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Ill trade you the chuck beef, Taylor Pyatt, and a 7th rounder for a piece of filet.
 
Is team toughness really that weak?
Did losing Prust and Dubinsky really hurt it that much?

I don't see us as not tough, we got some size and grinders.
This isn't the smurfs.
 
Doakes said:
Is team toughness really that weak?
Did losing Prust and Dubinsky really hurt it that much?

I don't see us as not tough, we got some size and grinders.
This isn't the smurfs.
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I think team toughness is contagious. Sure you need the guys, but when you see one or two teammates sticking up for each other it lifts you up and becomes contagious. Having this team turn it's roster over every summer doesn't help either.
 
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