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LOL, Laine at third line on national team.. yeahh right. Top line spot would be pretty much guaranteed for him if he would join the team.
Sounds like an absolutely horrible line. I mean does someone seriously think that Laine is some kind of a line driver? Because that line for sure would have zero line drivers with those combinations. I’m a huge Laine fan, but I do still recognise his weaknesses, and he for sure is not any kind of a line driver at least yet. He needs a great playmaker whom can drive his line, so if Laine will be available to the national team, there’s simply no other smart options than to play Laine in the same line with either Aho or Granlund. Anything else would be pure stupidity and an enormous waste of his best talents.
Hockeyisl1fe
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Seems like Denmark was enough: get Pokka out from the 1st pp... Heiskanen is a huge upgrade over him. It's not that complicated Mr. Marjamäki, Pokka possesses zero scoring threat from the blue line.
Not his fault Marjamäki puts him on the PP instead of Heiskanen.
It's a joke that Koivisto plays on the top PK unit when he was 4/5 d-man killing penalties with Kärpät.
QnebO
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Marjamäki needs to swallow his pride and scrap his ****ty system. It just doesn't work, whenever the team is facing any kind of competent opponent...
Slow, soft and boring is what I'd use to describe tonight's performance. They lost about 90% of the 1-on-1 puck battles tonight, how does that even happen? The defenders are especially bad -- when the forecheckers pin them along the boards, none of them can even pull off a zone exit!
I don't get the obsession with the constant OZ puck dumping either. We don't have any true grinder forwards on our roster, so the chances of us successfully getting the puck from the corner is slim to none. It's just giving up puck possession for nothing.
There's one way they can still make this work: embrace the speed. Marja-Late has a roster full of great skaters, yet he opts to play the slowest system imagineable. The faster they make the zone exits, the less likely it is for the defenders to get trapped in their own zone, and the more likely it is for them to get odd-man rushes. If they executed plays faster, they could've made it past Denmark's trap before their players had the chance to set it up...
Slow, soft and boring is what I'd use to describe tonight's performance. They lost about 90% of the 1-on-1 puck battles tonight, how does that even happen? The defenders are especially bad -- when the forecheckers pin them along the boards, none of them can even pull off a zone exit!
I don't get the obsession with the constant OZ puck dumping either. We don't have any true grinder forwards on our roster, so the chances of us successfully getting the puck from the corner is slim to none. It's just giving up puck possession for nothing.
There's one way they can still make this work: embrace the speed. Marja-Late has a roster full of great skaters, yet he opts to play the slowest system imagineable. The faster they make the zone exits, the less likely it is for the defenders to get trapped in their own zone, and the more likely it is for them to get odd-man rushes. If they executed plays faster, they could've made it past Denmark's trap before their players had the chance to set it up...
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Is any Finnish NHL / AHL dman ever busted as badly like Pokka did.
When you watch Pokka you'll find out for sure it was not a surprise that he never played any games in NHL.
QnebO
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I remember how Julius Honka was praised for his exceptional hockey iq at time of draft but the guy is complete bonehead. doesnt know when to pass or shoot, charges lead to turnovers and struggles defensivily. Brother Anttoni is made of same mold, I can see how these guys will struggle to get going in NHL
It does not matter in which line Laine would be namely as long as he is in the PP1 unit. Same as in Winnipeg, that Laine-X-Ehlers line has been 2nd or 3rd line the entire season as well when they've been together so. When Stastny joined it has been #2 line sure.
If things don't work vs Canada, Germany and USA and Laine would be on the way, then I'm up for some big time line shuffling, but I wouldn't go messing up the chemistry we've built during this tournament between the lines if it's not necessary.
Hockeyisl1fe
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Armia would be a huge upgrade over any of the guys in the bottom 6... no spot for him, lol.
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Oh please, stop being dramatic.
What exactly do you think Marjamäki did/didn't do that warrants a firing?
And what have TT's admittedly big f***-ups anything to do with hockey IQ? Shooting the puck to the audience can happen to anyone - it's a mistake, not an hockey IQ thing. The last play was caused by him playing soft and trying to overcompensate his mistake- again, nothing to do with hockey IQ.
I think the biggest problem today was the team getting used to the weak opponents and continuing to play like they were facing a vastly inferior opponent. The overly cutesy way of trying to make pretty goals rather than effective ones, i.e. drop passes, careless plays at own blue line etc. Also, the power play infuriates me. As much as we all appreciate Aho, he's the #1 culprit in "slowing the play down" - why is it always necessary to bring the whole play to a complete standstill rather than keeping the puck moving? You know, after 40 seconds of careful and slow building, when the inevitable centering pass comes, the opponent might just know to anticipate it?
Also, Pokka is bad but Honka is just terrible. How did he play 40+ games in the NHL last year...? And this is coming from someone who liked Honka during his junior hockey years...grow out of those junior hockey moves when you don't have the skillset at this level..Best players today were Heiskanen ja Granlund.
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Marjamäki shit the bed in the olympics and this time it’s results or gtfo. His team got dismantled by Denmark. They can fire him now or after the next two losses, but the writing is on the wall.
As far as IQ is concerned, great players simply never do plays like the ones TT did when the game is on the line with two mins to go. He’s a bonehead with some flair but not so much positive production.
As far as IQ is concerned, great players simply never do plays like the ones TT did when the game is on the line with two mins to go. He’s a bonehead with some flair but not so much positive production.
Let's not crucify Teuvo for the fact that Finland as a team today couldn't take the lead at any point of the game. It was a team screw up by keeping the game so tight or maybe Denmark was just good.
The turnovers are what cost us the game and this surely has been notified now by other top teams that you can get breakaways quite easily against Finland. Husso did a good job in my opinion and didn't loose anything in the race vs Säteri, instead he might have even gained some plus points in the goalie race.
The turnovers are what cost us the game and this surely has been notified now by other top teams that you can get breakaways quite easily against Finland. Husso did a good job in my opinion and didn't loose anything in the race vs Säteri, instead he might have even gained some plus points in the goalie race.
BusQuets
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Not surprised Granlund has outplayed Aho in the last two games when the opponents have guys who have strength on the boards. Aho hype got ridiculous because of two very weak opponents.
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the liquidator of Latvia
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the killer of Korea
the liquidator of Latvia
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Loffer
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This is not a correct expression politically around here. Shame on you!
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J. Honka will never make it in the NHL. He's AHL tier.
ChicagoBullsFan
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Yeah for sure.
Aho is still top scorer of the tournament ( 12 points in 4 games) so shut up.
Well, tonight definitely complicates things going forward. It's kinda funny that despite the round robin being seven games long, this one loss kinda made even making it to the QF bit of an iffy affair.
Technically, it shouldn't be, because the recipe for making it is pretty simple - 3p from the remaining three games should do it. And we're still playing Germany. Beat them, and we're in. The bad news is however the schedule. We'll be playing them back-to-back after Canada, with less than a day off. Overall, this schedule of ours is really weird. Back-to-back - a day off - back-to-back - two days off - back-to-back - a day off - one more game. And not one time we enjoy the advantage of coming from a rest day to an opponent with a back-to-back.
The good news with these two rest days is that Game 7 of Preds - Jets will be done, and the management should know if anybody's coming. And if somebody's coming, they should be in the box vs. Germany at the latest. And even if no one's coming, they can add Niemi before Canada, give him his usual 4C spot, then use Pesonen to work out any kinks we have higher in the lineup. Even booting Manninen - who has been really underwhelming - and dropping Pessi into his slot could actually give us four lines we can roll and expect to generate at least some offense.
And well, if Murphy's Law decides to kick our hind sides with full force, the final meager solace there is that unlike the WJC, where missing the QF means entering the relegation, with these 9p we have we won't be anywhere near the line. Thinking about that won't make the remaining games such nailbiters, no matter what happens. This tournament is played annually, after all.
Technically, it shouldn't be, because the recipe for making it is pretty simple - 3p from the remaining three games should do it. And we're still playing Germany. Beat them, and we're in. The bad news is however the schedule. We'll be playing them back-to-back after Canada, with less than a day off. Overall, this schedule of ours is really weird. Back-to-back - a day off - back-to-back - two days off - back-to-back - a day off - one more game. And not one time we enjoy the advantage of coming from a rest day to an opponent with a back-to-back.
The good news with these two rest days is that Game 7 of Preds - Jets will be done, and the management should know if anybody's coming. And if somebody's coming, they should be in the box vs. Germany at the latest. And even if no one's coming, they can add Niemi before Canada, give him his usual 4C spot, then use Pesonen to work out any kinks we have higher in the lineup. Even booting Manninen - who has been really underwhelming - and dropping Pessi into his slot could actually give us four lines we can roll and expect to generate at least some offense.
And well, if Murphy's Law decides to kick our hind sides with full force, the final meager solace there is that unlike the WJC, where missing the QF means entering the relegation, with these 9p we have we won't be anywhere near the line. Thinking about that won't make the remaining games such nailbiters, no matter what happens. This tournament is played annually, after all.
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BusQuets
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Hopefully Finland faces Korea again in the QFs.. or Latvia
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