WC: Team Finland 2022 roster talk

[Mestaruus]

Olympics shouldn't matter when it comss to how they perform today and not how Säteri did when Olkinuora couldn't play.

Olympics were only an extended EHT tournament. Austria game won't decide the starting goalie.

If Säteri performs bad against Austria, then he may loose that starter job that is his for the Czech game. If the coaching staff sees two even goalies where Säteri got the tougher games and Säteri happens to be the OC gold medalist starter, well you simply got to weigh in these things. You can't ignore these facts and only look at Olkinuora's save %. Olkinuora was given the easier games, although personally I still see Olkinuora as the better option regardless of those facts, but the signs are pointing on the direction that Säteri is their #1 goalie at the moment because he is getting all the harder games.

 

[FinPanda]

If Säteri performs bad now, then he may loose that starter job that is his for the Czech game. If the coaching staff sees two even goalies where Säteri got the tougher games and Säteri happens to be the OC gold medalist starter, well you simply got to weigh in these things. You can't ignore these facts and only look at Olkinuora's save %. Olkinuora was given the easier games, thus personally I still see Olkinuora as the better option regardless of those facts, but the signs are pointing on the direction that Säteri is their #1 goalie at the moment because he is getting all the harder games.

Because of rotation those "harder games" won't matter. Imo US and Sweden games were pictured before the tournament to be about equal with the difficulty for goaltending. Olkinuora will play the Czech game and QF

Its endless cycle, you can't change my mind and you see things your way and I see them my way. I hope I'm correct.

 

[Mestaruus]

Because of rotation those "harder games" won't matter. Imo US and Sweden games were pictured before the tournament to be about equal with the difficulty for goaltending. Olkinuora will play the Czech game and QF

Its endless cycle, you can't change my mind and you see things your way and I see them my way. I hope I'm correct.

Go back reading what I wrote about your rotation thing. I don't want to repeat myself.

Yeah closing HFboards now. This is a complete waste of time.

 

[FinPanda]

Go back reading what I wrote about your rotation thing. I don't want to repeat myself.

I read what you said and I disagree. I don't see why Olkinuora wouldn't be the starter. The fact Säteri played against Sweden and Olkinuora against US doesn't mean much.

Idk why we keep arguing instead waiting and we can see what happens. We both are wasting time because we see things completely different way.

 

[FinPanda]

Olkinuora in goal today as well.

Earlier than I expected but makes sense since last game wasn't much of a chanllenge for him.

 

[FiLe]

Olkinuora in goal today as well.

Earlier than I expected but makes sense since last game wasn't much of a chanllenge for him.

With Tuohimaa still as the backup. Wonder if Säteri's come down with something.

Anyway, also considering that there will be three full days between today's game and the next, and Säteri's last start by then has been six days ago, it's almost a guarantee that Olkinuora starts vs. Czechia as well. Unless he gets badly lit up today or Tuesday, the net is Olkinuora's.

 

[THE JAM]

Winning the group is possible again (could mean avoiding Canada before the Final).

 

[FinPanda]

We can win the group since Sweden lost, if we beat both Austria and Czechia on regulation.

Also confirmed second place in the group if we beat Austria on regulation since we beat the USA.

E: Nvm, the Czechs can still drop Finland to 3rd if they win the rest of the their games on regulation we lose to them. We would end up with 16 points like them and they wil be ahead based on the game against them.

 

[Artorius Horus T]

Our 4th line been horrible for several games now, with or without Mäenalanen.
Mostly because of Björninen...he has sucked, for several games now.
- can't defend well, too many mistakes, his face-off stats been down as well,
produces zero in the offensive zone

I would remove him from the line up for the Czech game.
This Austria game been awful to watch

Forward line up should be something like this :

Rajala-Granlund-Armia
Innala-Manninen-Hartikainen
Pesonen-Filppula-Sallinen
Mäenalanen-Lammikko-Anttila

 

[FinPanda]

Granlund should definitely be playing center

 

[FiLe]

The group seedings picture, assuming SWE doesn't drop points against NOR or LAT:

FIN wins the group if they beat CZE in regulation. If FIN-CZE goes to OT, FIN is 2nd.

FIN also is at least 2nd if CZE does not beat USA in regulation.

If CZE wins its three remaining games in regulation, FIN is 3rd.

 

[FinPanda]

The group seedings picture, assuming SWE doesn't drop points against NOR or LAT:

FIN wins the group if they beat CZE in regulation. If FIN-CZE goes to OT, FIN is 2nd.

FIN also is at least 2nd if CZE does not beat USA in regulation.

If CZE wins its three remaining games in regulation, FIN is 3rd.

So Germany/Danes/Slovakia or Canada

 

[canswetoxic]

Winning the group is possible again (could mean avoiding Canada before the Final).

Canada lost today, so Finland might meet them before the final.

 

[David OSullivan]

Granlund should definitely be playing center

It's Lammikko who I would drop at this stage.

No way on Bjorninen.

Swap Lammikko in your lines for Bjorninen and I'd like to see it.

 

[Mestaruus]

We can win the group since Sweden lost, if we beat both Austria and Czechia on regulation.

Also confirmed second place in the group if we beat Austria on regulation since we beat the USA.

E: Nvm, the Czechs can still drop Finland to 3rd if they win the rest of the their games on regulation we lose to them. We would end up with 16 points like them and they wil be ahead based on the game against them.

The group seedings picture, assuming SWE doesn't drop points against NOR or LAT:

FIN wins the group if they beat CZE in regulation. If FIN-CZE goes to OT, FIN is 2nd.

FIN also is at least 2nd if CZE does not beat USA in regulation.

If CZE wins its three remaining games in regulation, FIN is 3rd.

I wrote this on a .TXT file so I might as well link it here:

To get a clearer picture how things in the groups most likely will be:

If favorites hold their ground. Assuming that USA takes 3 points from Norway and Sweden takes 3 points from NOR & LAT, the groups will look like this:

GROUP B:
18 - SWE - 0 opponent(s) left.
16 - FIN - 1 opponent left: CZE. FIN needs full 3 points against CZE to win the group over SWE.
13 - USA - 1 opponent left: CZE. USA can't pass FIN = FIN can't be #4 seed (FIN avoided SUI probably)
10 - CZE - 2 opponents left: USA & FIN

-if USA vs CZE goes to OT - then finland's top-2 is secured
-if USA beats CZE, then USA can't pass FIN. They would be tied at 16 points. There cant be a 3rd team tied at 16 points, so in a 2 way tie FIN will be ahead of USA, because FIN beat USA in a match.
-IF CZE wll beat USA & FIN on regular time - CZE will place #2, FIN #3

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If favorites hold their ground. Assuming that SUI takes 3 points from France, Canada takes 3 points from Denmark+France and Germany takes 3 points from KAZ.

GROUP A - top-3 battle:
18 - SUI - 1 opponent left: GER
18 - CAN - 0 opponent(s) left. They can't go ahead of SUI in a 2 way tie, CAN needs GER to make it a 3 way tie
15 - GER - 1 opponent left: SUI. GER needs a regular time win or they will be left 3rd in the group.

I didn't check on the 3-way tiebreaker things yet.

GROUP A - 4th place battle:
9 - DEN - 1 opponent left: SVK. I marked their assumed loss to Canada already.
9 - SVK - 1 opponent left: DEN

 

[Mestaruus]

Our 4th line been horrible for several games now, with or without Mäenalanen.
Mostly because of Björninen...he has sucked, for several games now.
- can't defend well, too many mistakes, his face-off stats been down as well,
produces zero in the offensive zone

I would remove him from the line up for the Czech game.

I blame the junior helmet = his head injury. He never got used to that . I'm just kidding, but I never really found out what that injury was. Concussion or teeth broken?

That would be an extreme reaction to leave Björninen out. I wouldn't drop him, because he has proven to be a monster in high stakes games, just like Mörkö. We must believe in them this tournament, if they are going to suck in the important games, then we should discuss whether we should take them for future tournaments or not. In this case they have earned the right to play in those important games.

 

[Snowsii]

I blame the junior helmet = his head injury. He never got used to that . I'm just kidding, but I never really found out what that injury was. Concussion or teeth broken?

That would be an extreme reaction to leave Björninen out. I wouldn't drop him, because he has proven to be a monster in high stakes games, just like Mörkö. We must believe in them this tournament, if they are going to suck in the important games, then we should discuss whether we should take them for future tournaments or not. In this case they have earned the right to play in those important games.

That Cage is protecting his eye

 

[Mestaruus]

This might be interesting info regarding Finland's next opponent if Finland doesn't win the group. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe this is how it goes:

If GER pulls off an upset against SUI and takes 3 points from them and we would get a 3x 18 points tie between SUI, CAN, GER. Goal difference in the matches between these 3 teams would be the next deciding tiebreaking criteria.

GER 3-5 CAN +2 CAN
SUI 6-3 CAN +3 SUI & -3 CAN
SUI X-X GER - not yet played

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The goal difference before the SUI-GER game. Canada's goal difference can't change anymore.

+3 SUI
-1 CAN
-2 GER

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GER beats SUI on regulation by 1 goal difference. CAN beat GER in a match. SUI #1, CAN #2, GER #3.

+2 SUI
-1 CAN
-1 GER

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GER beats SUI on regulation by 2 goal difference. SUI wins group. GER #2 by better goal differential. SUI #1, GER #2, CAN #3.

+1 SUI
0 GER
-1 CAN

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GER beats SUI on regulation by 3 goal difference. GER #1, SUI #2, CAN #3.

+1 GER
0 SUI
-1 CAN

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GER beats SUI on regulation by 4 goal difference. SUI beat CAN in a match. GER #1, SUI #2, CAN #3.

+2 GER
-1 SUI
-1 CAN

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GER beats SUI on regulation by 5 goal difference. This is very unlikely to happen and it is the only scenario where SUI would end up #3. GER #1, CAN #2, SUI #3.

+3 GER
-1 CAN
-2 SUI

The rules page is here:

IIHF - Tournament Info 2022 IIHF ICE HOCKEY WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP

IIHF - Tournament Info 2022 IIHF ICE HOCKEY WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP

www.iihf.com

So realistically. Germany's best chance is to beat SUI by 2 goal difference. That already would be an upset and that would improve Germany's position in the group, but SUI would still win the group. 3 goal difference win for GER would make Germany win the group.

SUI just can't lose 5-0 if they want to remain top-2 in the group. I personally think that SUI wins the group and FIN can't place #4 of their group so there's a very small chance that FIN would play against SUI in the QF match.

 

[Mestaruus]

The interesting thing regarding tomorrow's FIN-CZE game is that we will know the final seedings of group A before FIN-CZE game, so we will already be aware before Finland's game if Germany had done the unexpected 3-0 or bigger upset against SUI.

 

[FinPanda]

The interesting thing regarding tomorrow's FIN-CZE game is that we will know the final seedings of group A before FIN-CZE game, so we will already be aware before Finland's game if Germany had done the unexpected 3-0 or bigger upset against SUI.

If Switzerland wins their group, I hope Finland and Czechs go to overtime. I don't see much of a difference between 1st and 2nd except maybe harder semifinal. Being 3rd most likely means Canada in the QF.

Ofc I would take a group win though

 

[Husqvarna]

Olkinura for the job.

 

[Mestaruus]

After Denmark won against Canada - the groups should look like this:

18 - SUI - 1 game left: GER
15 - CAN - 0 game left. Assuming CAN beats FRA - 3 points. I already added that win.
15 - GER - 1 game left: SUI
12 - DEN - 1 game left: SVK
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9 - SVK - 1 game left: DEN

-if DEN beats SVK on regulation & SUI beats GER on regulation = 3 way tie between CAN, GER, DEN

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Details on that tiebreaker I just mentioned about. Previous results below. Each of the teams got 1-1 wins and losses so we have to compare the goal differences inside those 3 matches:

CAN 5 - 3 GER - CAN +2, GER -2
CAN 2 - 3 DEN - CAN -1, DEN +1
GER 1 - 0 DEN - GER +1, DEN -1

CAN +1
DEN 0
GER -1

So in a 3 way tie CAN #2, DEN #3, GER #4.

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-Canada will place #2, #3 or #4. Canada can't win the group anymore.
-Germany can win the group if they just beat SUI on regulation.
-If FIN loses to CZE on regulation & Germany beats SUI on regulation, most likely FIN-SUI QF then. SWE would need 1 point against LAT also, but this entire scenario is quite unlikely to happen in my opinion.
-Assuming that USA takes 1 point against Norway, then USA is locked to be #4 - so it's almost a sure bet that we will see SUI/GER vs USA in QF.

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I'm going to guess the QF pairings. Many things can still change though, but this is what I got:

SUI-USA
FIN-GER
CAN-CZE
SWE-DEN

My guess culminates on FIN-CZE game going to OT, so SWE would win the group and FIN would place #2, CZE #3.

 

[FiLe]

SUI-USA
FIN-GER
CAN-CZE
SWE-DEN

GER nabs a point from SUI, clinches 2nd seed in Helsinki. Meaning if FIN-CZE doesn't go to OT, the loser gets GER.

SVK-DEN will largely determine who the winner will play, as CAN, despite a couple of missteps, should take care of FRA. Anything but a DEN regulation win would give CAN the 3rd seed.

 

[Husqvarna]

Olkinora to the Finland rescue.

David Pasternak hey they ( Finland) could plaster him to the boards.

 

[Mestaruus]

GER nabs a point from SUI, clinches 2nd seed in Helsinki. Meaning if FIN-CZE doesn't go to OT, the loser gets GER.

SVK-DEN will largely determine who the winner will play, as CAN, despite a couple of missteps, should take care of FRA. Anything but a DEN regulation win would give CAN the 3rd seed.

Easy to say now because I wrote the post you quoted before today's games.

I changed my mind after having SUI-USA locked. I'm going with:

SUI-USA - was locked already anyways.
FIN-SVK
CZE-GER
SWE-CAN

I think that Czech just aren't motivated to win that game, because they would get Canada over Germany then. Better hope that the Czechs aren't motivated enough to get this game to OT to make a FIN-CAN game. Finland would beat Canada but I rather take one of GER or SVK if I can choose.