WC: Team Finland 2022 roster talk

[Snowsii]

Heiskanen was paired with Seppälä at his practise. May mean Seppälä is the one who will not be playing after Lindell joins the practise.

I'm sad we lost to Sweden, but it stings way less due to the fact as a nation we are closer than maybe we have ever been. So we really are true brothers and sisters outside of hockey. Got to move on and lets hope for a good effort against GB.

I also absolutely hate the fact that the actual passionate hockey fans have no chance at seeing the games live. I remember how the whole environment was totally different at the WJC 2016 because the tickets prices were way lower. Shame they only care about the money and not the atmosphere. It looks like we are terrible hockey fans when we are not, its only because businesses buy all the tickets and most Finns can't affort them. No kids.. no fun.. just sitting in silence like in a church.

Its should be a party for families, have some great time together but no. I'm sad.

Lindell were paired with ohtamaa

 

[FiLe]

So, after the arrival of Heiskanen and Lindell, our D appears to be:

Lehtonen-Hietanen
Seppälä-Heiskanen
Friman-Vatanen
Lindell-Ohtamaa

Pokka the odd man out.

 

[JJTT]

So looks like Heiskanen will replace Armia on 2nd PP unit.

Would love to see Armia on the first unit instead of Hartikainen or Manninen but never going to happen. Granlund is forced to shoot too much with those two. Passing the puck into the net won't likely work in the playoff round.

 

[FiLe]

Would love to see Armia on the first unit instead of Hartikainen or Manninen but never going to happen.

Or Sallinen. They could plant Härski in front of the net and let Armia provide a right-handed shooting option.

 

[Mestaruus]

So for me Goalie, I'm favouring Olkinoura. Of course Sateri is a top goalie but I just got a sense about Olkinoura this tournament and feel he is on slightly better form.

The only thing for me that needs a little shake up is that third line. And I think Jalonen thinks the same. I would not do major thinkering but certainly I would put Pesonen back on line 2. What I would like to try personally is to put Sallinen at center. Inalla over Rajala.

Granlund Manninen Hartikanen
Pesonen Filppula Armia
Inalla Sallinen Lammikko
Maenelaenen Bjorninen Antilla

I also find Olkinuora's recent games, including the preparation matches to make him the #1 goalie. Säteri hasn't been bad but for me it's Olkinuora right at this moment who should be our starter. It's a hard question though because Säteri was the starter with the Olympic gold run, so I'm not shocked if Jalonen's coaching staff makes Säteri the #1 goalie. There's also the proven winner thing for Säteri, while Olkinuora's best as a starting goalie is still that silver from last spring. It was very close for being gold, but it just didn't happen.

Innala > Rajala for me too, but I'm not sure if that yesterday's Innala replacing Mäenalanen thing was some kind of sign that Jalonen actually favors Rajala over Innala now, because he put Rajala on Innanen's slot for that game. Maybe I'm reading too much on that and we'll see Innala being in the same line as he played in against USA.

I didn't read news much today, maybe the practice lines are already announced?

 

[Mestaruus]

I also absolutely hate the fact that the actual passionate hockey fans have no chance at seeing the games live. I remember how the whole environment was totally different at the WJC 2016 because the tickets prices were way lower. Shame they only care about the money and not the atmosphere. It looks like we are terrible hockey fans when we are not, its only because businesses buy all the tickets and most Finns can't affort them. No kids.. no fun.. just sitting in silence like in a church.

Its should be a party for families, have some great time together but no. I'm sad.

I agree. I'm not impressed about the Finnish crowd in that arena during Finland's games. I rarely hear some "Suomi!" chants there and if they do chant for Finland, then it's at the wrong moments. The crowd goes silent like little mice and they stay silent if the opponent scores a goal. I expect better from Finnish fans. Years ago I thought that Finland has the best hockey fans or at least on par with the North-Americans and Latvians in terms of creating crazy atmosphere but we are not seeing that nowadays. It was similar the last time we were hosting a WHC tournament. I remember that very well. It must indeed be because of the ticket prices.

 

[Mestaruus]

So looks like Heiskanen will replace Armia on 2nd PP unit.

I'm glad to hear that. Armia made that one nice PP goal, but I won't get fooled by that. Looking at Armia's stats from this NHL season, he had a really bad season offensively and we don't want to play around with that. It's better to not have him on PP if possible and now that became possible.

The logic of having someone like Sallinen on a PP unit, but not Armia is a little bit questionable but I do understand it if the reasons are that Sallinen has been surprisingly good offensively so far and he is probably better in faceoffs compared to Armia, because he plays center sometimes.

 

[Eye of Ra]

So, after the arrival of Heiskanen and Lindell, our D appears to be:

Lehtonen-Hietanen
Seppälä-Heiskanen
Friman-Vatanen
Lindell-Ohtamaa

Pokka the odd man out.

Why on earth is Lindell on 4th pairing?

 

[FiLe]

The logic of having someone like Sallinen on a PP unit, but not Armia is a little bit questionable but I do understand it if the reasons are that Sallinen has been surprisingly good offensively so far and he is probably better in faceoffs compared to Armia, because he plays center sometimes.

Although Sallinen is, at the moment at least, only the 3rd choice to take faceoffs in his PP unit, after MiG and Manninen.

Why on earth is Lindell on 4th pairing?

Because in Jukka Jalonen's game plan, numbers don't matter. 4th pair will get the same minutes even strength as the 1st pair.

 

[Mestaruus]

Although Sallinen is, at the moment at least, only the 3rd choice to take faceoffs in his PP unit, after MiG and Manninen.

Well then there's just that offensive production factor that has been better than expected by Sallinen, but for me the worry is if Sallinen's trend with that starts going downwards during the tournament in the games that matter. If Sallinen over performed offensively so far, that could cost us.

 

[Mestaruus]

I also absolutely hate the fact that the actual passionate hockey fans have no chance at seeing the games live.

I read about this one now. Some Swedish guys are thinking the same way. The fans are only loud when goals happen. That's not good. They go in some kind of shock if team isn't performing well. The fans need to elevate the team when the team needs it. I'm kind of embarrassed, since they are representing us and because Finnish fans had a good reputation once.

Leijonat-faneja ryöpytettiin Ruotsissa – "Kesyä"

Suomen miesten jääkiekkomaajoukkue hävisi Ruotsille MM-kisojen alkulohkon ottelussa keskiviikkona. Ruotsalaislehti Expressenin toimittajat Adam Johansson ja Philip Gadd antoivat kovasti kritiikkiä Leijonien kannattajien toiminnalle.

www.mtvuutiset.fi

 

[karhukissa]

There are mostly just work groups and such or some VIP guys. They are probably too embarassed to chant "what my colleagues think about me if i just chant here omg"

And it's not like in football where our national team has official fan group with capo using megafone and orcestrating different chants where rest of the arena can join.

 

[mattihp]

I read about this one now. Some Swedish guys are thinking the same way. The fans are only loud when goals happen. That's not good. They go in some kind of shock if team isn't performing well. The fans need to elevate the team when the team needs it. I'm kind of embarrassed, since they are representing us and because Finnish fans had a good reputation once.

Leijonat-faneja ryöpytettiin Ruotsissa – "Kesyä"

Suomen miesten jääkiekkomaajoukkue hävisi Ruotsille MM-kisojen alkulohkon ottelussa keskiviikkona. Ruotsalaislehti Expressenin toimittajat Adam Johansson ja Philip Gadd antoivat kovasti kritiikkiä Leijonien kannattajien toiminnalle.

www.mtvuutiset.fi

Lots and lots of corporate tickets with middle aged men who are there because it was free for them. So boring. Looks like the NHL game I was at once. Not like a typical european crowd.

 

[Sniperberg]

There are mostly just work groups and such or some VIP guys. They are probably too embarassed to chant "what my colleagues think about me if i just chant here omg"

And it's not like in football where our national team has official fan group with capo using megafone and orcestrating different chants where rest of the arena can join.

What? There was lots of shouting and other shenanigans last friday during the Norway-game. Crowd was really great then.

 

[FinPanda]

What? There was lots of shouting and other shenanigans last friday during the Norway-game. Crowd was really great then.

The tickets are slightly cheaper for Norway/GB and Austria games. Also wasn't Norway game during the weekend?

 

[Mestaruus]

There are mostly just work groups and such or some VIP guys. They are probably too embarassed to chant "what my colleagues think about me if i just chant here omg"

And it's not like in football where our national team has official fan group with capo using megafone and orcestrating different chants where rest of the arena can join.

Yep, I think we both want to say "virkamies" crowd if Finnish language would be allowed on this forum.

Those soccer fans are interesting. It seemed so fake and forced some years ago with their forced building of soccer fan culture, but nowadays it has become a good thing that we have such thing. I like to see the national soccer team of Finland do well as well, so it's good for the team. It's harder to create that home game advantage which is so important in soccer without good crowd support.

Lots and lots of corporate tickets with middle aged men who are there because it was free for them. So boring. Looks like the NHL game I was at once. Not like a typical european crowd.

I've never been to a NHL game but via video it seems like some NHL crowds seem good though. I think that you didn't get lucky that time.

 

[Mestaruus]

What? There was lots of shouting and other shenanigans last friday during the Norway-game. Crowd was really great then.

Because they won 5-0. Well the crowd can still prove themselves this tournament but so far I'm not impressed by it. I expect better from Finnish crowd. We've had a good reputation of loud crowd in the past. I didn't see it in the last home tournament and I'm not seeing it now during the moments it matters, but I haven't been there live. From TV it seems that way at least.

The moment that really matters is the QF game and onwards, so hopefully the crowd will be loud there and that they will give that cliche of "6th skater" to the Finnish team, the home advantage.

 

[Kibe]

I completely trust Jalonen, but still can't help to think it's an odd decision to split up a pair that played together in NHL.

 

[mattihp]

I completely trust Jalonen, but still can't help to think it's an odd decision to split up a pair that played together in NHL.

Did they play that much together?

 

[Kibe]

Did they play that much together?

Well yeah actually Heiskanen played mostly with Suter, and Lindell with Klingberg/Hakanpää. So i guess there's a point, spreading the talent, as Jalonen likes to run the pairs pretty even. I'd just like to see them play big minutes, especially Miro. Hwo knows maybe Jalonen also really liked Seppälä and will play that pair more. Playing with 4 pairs pretty even could take some adapting for these guys, but then again they have a couple of games to adapt now. But all and all, as i said i trust Jalonen and this is just bored speculation.

 

[mattihp]

Well yeah actually Heiskanen played mostly with Suter, and Lindell with Klingberg/Hakanpää. So i guess there's a point, spreading the talent, as Jalonen likes to run the pairs pretty even. I'd just like to see them play big minutes, especially Miro. Hwo knows maybe Jalonen also really liked Seppälä and will play that pair more. Playing with 4 pairs pretty even could take some adapting for these guys, but then again they have a couple of games to adapt now. But all and all, as i said i trust Jalonen and this is just bored speculation.

Don't expect anyone to play big minutes except Anttila in important games.

 

[Kibe]

Don't expect anyone to play big minutes except Anttila in important games.

Eh Mörkö is clutch and all, but i'd be shocked if 4th line plays more than 1st line. Then again he doesn't need big minutes just that one shift to decide the game.

 

[mattihp]

Eh Mörkö is clutch and all, but i'd be shocked if 4th line plays more than 1st line. Then again he doesn't need big minutes just that one shift to decide the game.

Check the last two world champs for ice time.

 

[Elias40]

Because they won 5-0. Well the crowd can still prove themselves this tournament but so far I'm not impressed by it. I expect better from Finnish crowd. We've had a good reputation of loud crowd in the past. I didn't see it in the last home tournament and I'm not seeing it now during the moments it matters, but I haven't been there live. From TV it seems that way at least.

The moment that really matters is the QF game and onwards, so hopefully the crowd will be loud there and that they will give that cliche of "6th skater" to the Finnish team, the home advantage.

Isn't it that when Finland won its title in Slovakia, they had the support of the people who came to encourage Finland, enjoyed the cheap price of beer and had more fun? These people are the biggest support of every team, I watch German football a lot and these people, who are active in every match, make the atmosphere far, far better. And it doesn't matter if one week they play at home and the next week they travel 400 miles away to support their team and always sell out their sector.

 

[Kibe]

Check the last two world champs for ice time.

I know it's really even. Just seems this year we have more of a clear cut top line.