WC: Team Finland 2022 roster talk

[Lepardi]

Isn't it that when Finland won its title in Slovakia, they had the support of the people who came to encourage Finland, enjoyed the cheap price of beer and had more fun? These people are the biggest support of every team, I watch German football a lot and these people, who are active in every match, make the atmosphere far, far better. And it doesn't matter if one week they play at home and the next week they travel 400 miles away to support their team and always sell out their sector.

If you want to enjoy great fan culture, watching the Finnish national hockey team is a waste of your time. You're not gonna see anything close to what happens at the matches of our national football team. The fans of the Finnish football team have taken studious note of what happens at football matches in Sweden, Germany, Serbia, etc. and it shows.

At the IIHF Worlds Finnish fans have no capo, no chants and no organization. I still expect to have a lot of fun next week attending a spring carnival of like-minded drunks, but when it comes to fan culture, the recent Ilves playoff games I saw at Nokia Arena beat this event hands down. The Ilves fan section has a pretty decent songbook of chants instead of just occasionally shouting "Suomi, Suomi, Suomi, Suomi".

 

[Mestaruus]

Isn't it that when Finland won its title in Slovakia, they had the support of the people who came to encourage Finland, enjoyed the cheap price of beer and had more fun? These people are the biggest support of every team, I watch German football a lot and these people, who are active in every match, make the atmosphere far, far better. And it doesn't matter if one week they play at home and the next week they travel 400 miles away to support their team and always sell out their sector.

Yeah it's probably along those lines. Maybe a matter of expectations on the crowd as well. In a home tournament I expect the crowd to be loud enough to be that 6th skater, but in tournaments played in other countries there are no expectations, so any crowd support is a bonus in those.

 

[Mestaruus]

Well I guess there's nothing much to say about that GBR game.

I'm just thinking if they let Innala play tomorrow. Rajala did pretty well today, but I wouldn't be surprised if Jalonen cycles players a bit because Austria is not a top team. Austria has been performing very well against top teams though, but swapping one player shouldn't matter that much.

It must be Säteri playing against Austria tomorrow. Olkinuora playing today might be a sign that Säteri is the starter against the Czech too, because Austria is a much better team than Great Britain, so they put Olkinuora against GBR. So Säteri would be our #1 goalie in that case. In my opinion or #1 goalie should be Olkinuora based on the recent games, but it's fine with me if it's the Olympic gold starting goalie as well, Säteri.

 

[FinPanda]

Well I guess there's nothing much to say about that GBR game.

I'm just thinking if they let Innala play tomorrow. Rajala did pretty well today, but I wouldn't be surprised if Jalonen cycles players a bit because Austria is not a top team. Austria has been performing very well against top teams though, but swapping one player shouldn't matter that much.

It must be Säteri playing against Austria tomorrow. Olkinuora playing today might be a sign that Säteri is the starter against the Czech too, because Austria is a much better team than Great Britain, so they put Olkinuora against GBR. So Säteri would be our #1 goalie in that case. In my opinion or #1 goalie should be Olkinuora based on the recent games, but it's fine with me if it's the Olympic gold starting goalie as well, Säteri.

I definitely think Olkinuora is the number 1 goalie. I doubt Säteri will play against the Czechs. Jalonen isn't stupid and after the performance Olkinuora had had, there is no reason to not play him. Maybe I just really want you to be wrong with this speculation. They have taken turns with games they've played. I would say we can't base putting Säteri as number one goalie since both play 3. The one who performed better will play the Czechs anf I believe it will be Olkinuora.

You're overthinking the whole thing. They have been taking turns.

 

[Mestaruus]

I definitely think Olkinuora is the number 1 goalie. I doubt Säteri will play against the Czechs. Jalonen isn't stupid and after the performance Olkinuora had had, there is no reason to not play him. Maybe I just really want you to be wrong with this speculation. They have taken turns with games they've played. I would say we can't base putting Säteri as number one goalie since both play 3. The one who performed better will play the Czechs anf I believe it will be Olkinuora.

You're overthinking the whole thing. They have been taking turns.

I don't think so. GBR and Austria are very different level teams based on this tournament's results. It would make sense if they would put the #2 goalie playing against GBR and the #1 goalie (for Jalonen's coaching staff I assume the #1 is Säteri) against the tougher AUT. We might need full points from the Austria game if USA can take a point from the Czechs (I think that Czechs take full 3 points from the USA game) in order to place top-2 in the group and avoid Switzerland or Canada.

Olkinuora - GBR
Säteri - AUT
break day
break day
Säteri - CZE - assuming we got full 3 points against AUT and Säteri looked decent to good
break day
Säteri - QF game - this can change if Säteri has a horrible game against the Czechs


That's how I'm guessing how they'll do it, but my small preference would be to have those goalies' places swapped. It is the gold goalie however, so a proven winner so I'm not too upset if Säteri is our #1 goalie.

 

[FinPanda]

I don't think so. GBR and Austria are very different level teams based on this tournament's results. It would make sense if they would put the #2 goalie playing against GBR and the #1 goalie (for Jalonen's coaching staff I assume the #1 is Säteri) against the tougher AUT. We might need full points from the Austria game if USA can take a point from the Czechs (I think that Czechs take full 3 points from the USA game) in order to place top-2 in the group and avoid Switzerland or Canada.

Olkinuora - GBR
Säteri - AUT
break day
break day
Säteri - CZE - assuming we got full 3 points against AUT and Säteri looked decent to good
break day
Säteri - QF game - this can change if Säteri has a horrible game against the Czechs


That's how I'm guessing how they'll do it, but my small preference would be to have those goalies' places swapped. It is the gold goalie however, so a proven winner so I'm not too upset if Säteri is our #1 goalie.

Nah its still the rotation Jalonen always does. Imo GB and Austria are about equal for goaltending so I would worry after Czech game when we see who really gets the call for the QF. Imo Säteri against Austria, then Olkinuora against the Czechs and for the QF.

Like I said yoiu're overthinking Jalonen's equal rotation. The hotter goalie gets the Czech game and QF

 

[Mestaruus]

Imo GB and Austria are about equal for goaltending

Come on now. You can't say that. Those teams are not equal in terms of who Finland puts in the goal against them. You are greatly underestimating Austria here.

Before the tournament you could make that argument, but look at Austria's impressive results against top teams. Look how Austria outshot Latvians in this game 32 to 21 and now Austria just beat them. You say that GBR is Austria's and Latvia's level?

The Pitkäveto oddsmakers didn't even let me bet money for Finland as the winner against GBR and the same won't happen for FIN-AUT, because Veikkaus sees a difference between Austria and GBR in terms of their level.

AUT 1-3 SWE
AUT 2-3 (OT) USA
AUT 2-1 (SO) Cze
AUT 3-5 NOR
AUT 4-3 (SO) LAT

GBR 1-5 CZE
GBR 3-4 (SO) NOR
GBR 0-6 SWE
GBR 0-6 FIN

However both of our goalies are good, so most likely they both could do good job against Austria, but if our coaching staff thinks that Austria's results in this tournament have been scary enough for them to put the hotter goalie in the net that they think is better now, then they will do that, but we don't know if coaching staff sees that kind of difference in these goalies now. So because you or me can't know for sure what our coaching staff thinks on this surprisingly good Austria, we can only guess and it smells a lot like they are currently having a plan for our Olympic gold starting goalie to be the #1 against Czech, based on the coaching staff giving him the Austria game, which is a lot tougher team than GBR. My assumed #1 goalie can change if Säteri doesn't play well against Austria or the Czechs though.

I personally would've wanted Olkinuora to be the starter and not Säteri but I don't think it's that way. No big deal in the end who it is though, but it does seems like Säteri right now is Jalonen's coaching staff's #1 goalie.

 

[FinPanda]

Come on now. You can't say that. Those teams are not equal in terms of goaltending. You are greatly underestimating Austria here.

Before the tournament you could make that argument, but look at Austria's impressive results against top teams. Look how Austria outshot Latvians in this game 32 to 21 and now Austria just beat them. You say that GBR is Austria's and Latvia's level?

AUT 1-3 SWE
AUT 2-3 (OT) USA
AUT 2-1 (SO) Cze
AUT 3-5 NOR
AUT 4-3 (SO) LAT

GBR 1-5 CZE
GBR 3-4 (SO) NOR
GBR 0-6 SWE
GBR 0-6 FIN

However both of our goalies are good, so most likely they both could do good job against Austria, but if our coaching staff thinks that Austria's results in this tournament have been scary enough for them to put the hotter goalie in the net that they think is better now, then they will do that, but we don't know if coaching staff sees that kind of difference in these goalies now. So because you or me can't know for sure what our coaching staff thinks on this surprisingly good Austria, we can only guess and it smells a lot like they are currently having a plan for our Olympic gold starting goalie to be the #1, based on the coaching staff giving him the Austria game. My assumed #1 goalie can change if Säteri doesn't play well against Austria or the Czechs though.

I personally would've wanted Olkinuora to be the starter and not Säteri but I don't think it's that way. No big deal in the end who it is though, but it does seems like Säteri right now is their #1 goalie.

I said they are rotating goalies and there is no way to know who will be the one in the QF. You can see how they were rotating goaltenders. Olkinuora has equal chance than Säteri to be the starting goalie for QF and I doubt that after letting 1 goal in three games Olkinuora doesn't have a good chance to be the starter for QF..

They treat the goalies equally and I'm thinking Olkinuora is the way better choice right now. Don't be too pessimistic about Olkinuora's chances. Its an Austria game and not a Czech game... don't put too much value to who starts against Austria. Czech game is the one that actually matters.

Game 1 - Olkinuora
Game 2 - Säteri
Game 3 - Olkinuora
Game 4 - Söteri
Game 5 - Olkinuora
Game 6 - Säteri
Game 7 - Who had better 3 games or based on previous rotation Olkinuora
Game 8 - Who had stronger group stage games/if Olkinuora again has like max 2 goals allowed against the Czechs

 

[Mestaruus]

I said they are rotating goalies and there is no way to know who will be the one in the QF. You can see how they were rotating goaltenders. Olkinuora has equal chance than Säteri to be the starting goalie for QF and I doubt that after letting 1 goal in three games Olkinuora doesn't have a good chance to be the starter for QF..

They treat the goalies equally and I'm thinking Olkinuora is the way better choice right now. Don't be too pessimistic about Olkinuora's chances. Its an Austria game and not a Czech game... don't put too much value to who starts against Austria. Czech game is the one that actually matters.

I don't think you understand what I'm saying or you don't read my post with focus.

Coaching staff probably thinks that Säteri is the #1 goalie now. What they might think can change. I'm not saying anything for a fact. I'm saying what it looks like to me. Sorry but you implying that GBR and AUT are same level or something is silly.

They chose to put Säteri in the net against a much tougher team. This is probably a sign of him being the current #1 goalie of Finland in our coaching staff's mind. It's up to Säteri to play bad to loose that position. Our coaching staff would be really silly in thinking that Austria and GBR are same level teams. These 3 points against Austria are really important for Finland if USA can take 1 point from the Czech. Then we can afford to lose to CZE and still be #2 of the group and avoid Canada and Switzerland in the game of death.

I'll also tell you why they would choose Säteri who has seemed slightly worse than Olkinuora. It's because winning Olympic gold as a starter is a factor. He's a proven winner. That probably matters to the coaching staff. I think that they see Säteri as the #1 now and he will play against CZE unless he has a bad game against Austria. To me that was confirmed when they gave Olkinuora the super easy GBR game, while they gave assumed #1 goalie Säteri the much tougher Austria game. Those teams are not same level teams.

One more thing. They gave Olkinuora the easier game against USA compared to the harder opponent Sweden for Säteri. We knew before those games were played which team would be harder. At least it was very obvious to me. USA is a top team too, but Sweden was and is the much scarier team. They don't see that Säteri was bad enough against Sweden and he wasn't bad so the #1 goalie status of Säteri was not changed and is still not changed, since they gave Säteri again the tougher game against Austria.

 

[FinPanda]

I don't think you understand what I'm saying or you don't read my post with focus.

Coaching staff probably thinks that Säteri is the #1 goalie now. What they might think can change. I'm not saying anything for a fact. I'm saying what it looks like to me. Sorry but you implying that GBR and AUT are same level or something is silly.

They chose to put Säteri in the net against a much tougher team. This is probably a sign of him being the current #1 goalie of Finland in our coaching staff's mind. It's up to Säteri to play bad to loose that position. Our coaching staff would be really silly in thinking that Austria and GBR are same level teams. These 3 points against Austria are really important for Finland if USA can take 1 point from the Czech. Then we can afford to lose to CZE and still be #2 of the group and avoid Canada and Switzerland in the game of death.

I'll also tell you why they would choose Olkinuora who has seemed slightly better over Säteri. It's because winning Olympic gold as a starter is a factor. He's a proven winner. That probably matters to the coaching staff. I think that they see Säteri as the #1 now and he will play against CZE unless he has a bad game against Austria. To me that was confirmed when they gave Olkinuora the super easy GBR game, while they gave assumed #1 goalie Säteri the much tougher Austria game. Those teams are not same level teams.

I didn't mean Austria and GB are same level, I meant that for our goaltendinh it doesn't matter more than any other game for Game 8. The better goalie will start the Czech game and the quarterfinal.

They rotate goalies. We have two number 1 goaltenders and imo we don't know yet who will play against Czechs. I believe its Olkinuora based on the rotation Jalonen has been doing.

After we know the starter for Czech game, we can actually think who will be starting game 8. Atm they are exactly in the aame position, both get 3 games and the bettet gets the 4th and QF.

They have done this same rotation in every single tournament unless there has been a sure number 1 goaltender

 

[FinPanda]

I don't think you understand what I'm saying or you don't read my post with focus.

Coaching staff probably thinks that Säteri is the #1 goalie now. What they might think can change. I'm not saying anything for a fact. I'm saying what it looks like to me. Sorry but you implying that GBR and AUT are same level or something is silly.

They chose to put Säteri in the net against a much tougher team. This is probably a sign of him being the current #1 goalie of Finland in our coaching staff's mind. It's up to Säteri to play bad to loose that position. Our coaching staff would be really silly in thinking that Austria and GBR are same level teams. These 3 points against Austria are really important for Finland if USA can take 1 point from the Czech. Then we can afford to lose to CZE and still be #2 of the group and avoid Canada and Switzerland in the game of death.

I'll also tell you why they would choose Säteri who has seemed slightly worse than Olkinuora. It's because winning Olympic gold as a starter is a factor. He's a proven winner. That probably matters to the coaching staff. I think that they see Säteri as the #1 now and he will play against CZE unless he has a bad game against Austria. To me that was confirmed when they gave Olkinuora the super easy GBR game, while they gave assumed #1 goalie Säteri the much tougher Austria game. Those teams are not same level teams.

One more thing. They gave Olkinuora the easier game against USA compared to the harder opponent Sweden for Säteri. We knew before those games were played which team would be harder. At least it was very obvious to me. USA is a top team too, but Sweden was and is the much scarier team. They don't see that Säteri was bad enough against Sweden and he wasn't bad so the #1 goalie status of Säteri was not changed and is still not changed, since they gave Säteri again the tougher game against Austria.

If anything Olkinuora is the starter because based on rotation he will get the Czech game since Säteri plays against Austria.

Just go back one year and look how they did exactly the same rotation with same goaltenders.

2021 IIHF World Championship Group B - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Mestaruus]

I said they are rotating goalies and there is no way to know who will be the one in the QF. You can see how they were rotating goaltenders. Olkinuora has equal chance than Säteri to be the starting goalie for QF and I doubt that after letting 1 goal in three games Olkinuora doesn't have a good chance to be the starter for QF..

They treat the goalies equally and I'm thinking Olkinuora is the way better choice right now. Don't be too pessimistic about Olkinuora's chances. Its an Austria game and not a Czech game... don't put too much value to who starts against Austria. Czech game is the one that actually matters.

Game 1 - Olkinuora
Game 2 - Säteri
Game 3 - Olkinuora
Game 4 - Söteri
Game 5 - Olkinuora
Game 6 - Säteri
Game 7 - Who had better 3 games or based on previous rotation Olkinuora
Game 8 - Who had stronger group stage games/if Olkinuora again has like max 2 goals allowed against the Czechs

If Säteri has a solid game against Austria, he will be our starter against Czech. There's nothing Olkinuora can do about that at this point. Säteri has been given the harder games twice now. Sweden and Austria for Säteri vs USA and GBR for Olkinuora.

It's up to Säteri to loose his number #1 status. He has to play well against Austria to keep that #1 status. Again my preference is Olkinuora but it's not the end of the world to have a proven Olympic gold winner starting goalie in the net.

Olkinuora getting a shutout today mean't almost nothing by the way.

 

[FinPanda]

If Säteri has a solid game against Austria, he will be our starter against Czech. There's nothing Olkinuora can do about that at this point. Säteri has been given the harder games twice now. Sweden and Austria for Säteri vs USA and GBR for Olkinuora.

It's up to Säteri to loose his number #1 status. He has to play well against Austria to keep that #1 status. Again my preference is Olkinuora but it's not the end of the world to have a proven Olympic gold winner starting goalie in the net.

Olkinuora getting a shutout today mean't almost nothing by the way.

Olkinuora got game 7 and game 8 last yeat after belng rotated through the group stage. I believe Olkinuora will get them botb this year as well.

No need to look further back than just last year to see how they worked with goaltenders. Only reason Säteri played at the olympics because Olkinuora was actually unable to play.

All these lead to the same point, Olkinuota gets the Czechs and QF. I'm very confident about it. If it isn't the case, I read the history wrong. Olkinuora has been excellent and I haven't been impressed with Säteri at all.

But we know more before and after the Czech game.

 

[Mestaruus]

If anything Olkinuora is the starter because based on rotation he will get the Czech game since Säteri plays against Austria.

Just go back one year and look how they did exactly the same rotation with same goaltenders.

2021 IIHF World Championship Group B - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

I don't know why you are going back 1 year when things have changed. Since then Säteri has become the Olympic gold starting goalie. It seems to matter to the coaching staff based on the signs that I'm seeing. You don't see that Säteri is getting the harder opponents?

On you talking about rotation stuff. Let me tell you how it probably works. Before USA & SWE game, each goalie were told that each one of them plays one of those games. Now before GBR & AUT games, each goalie was told that each get one game. There's the rotation but it's not the way you see your "rotation". They haven't locked each preliminary round game to be played by a specific goalie when the tournament started. Based on that Säteri getting the harder games is a sign that he is the starting goalie against Czech, but only if Säteri has a good game against Austria tomorrow. It's up to Säteri to loose that starting job and there's nothing that Olkinuora can do about it, except hope that Säteri won't perform well.

 

[FinPanda]

I don't know why you are going back 1 year when things have changed. Since then Säteri has become the Olympic gold starting goalie. It seems to matter to the coaching staff based on the signs that I'm seeing. You don't see that Säteri is getting the harder opponents?

On you talking about rotation stuff. Let me tell you how it probably works. Before USA & SWE game, each goalie were told that each one of them plays one of those games. Now before GBR & AUT games, each goalie was told that each get one game. There's the rotation but it's not the way you see your "rotation". They haven't locked each preliminary round game to be played by a specific goalie when the tournament started. Based on that Säteri getting the harder games is a sign that he is the starting goalie against Czech, but only if Säteri has a good game against Austria tomorrow. It's up to Säteri to loose that starting job and there's nothing that Olkinuora can do about it, except hope that Säteri wouldn't perform well.

You just can't turn down Olkinuora after the tournament he has had. He will get thr Czech game and will be our goalie until the end.

They decided to rotate before the tournament to have two equally hot goaltenders. I have no doubt Olkinuora is the starter. You don't turn down a goalie with over 98% save percentage.percentage. You're acting like Austria is some kind of hockey superpowet instead of it being well.. Austria. They have played well but definitely not a game to draw conclusions from.

Voiko Jukka Jalonen sivuuttaa tämän miehen? ”Puhutaan Kummeli-juttuja”

Jussi Olkinuoran torjuntaprosentti on 98,33 ja päästettyjen maalien keskiarvo 0,33.

www.iltalehti.fi

I like the IL article about it. I can't change your mind and you can't change my mind. I base my opinion based on history, you base yours on gut feeling.

 

[Mestaruus]

it doesn't matter more than any other game for Game 8. The better goalie will start the Czech game and the quarterfinal.

It does matter if our coaching staff sees a difference between our goalies. IF.

You didn't read my post. I said that our coaching staff might see a difference between the goalies. We can't know if they think that way.

So if our coaching staff sees a difference between these goalies, obviously they put the better goalie against Austria, yes? Because they don't want to risk of loosing points against a tougher team compared to GBR. This better goalie was decided before the GBR game, for them it's probably Säteri as he is getting the harder game against AUT and he also got the harder game SWE compared to USA (Olkinuora).

These points from Austria game might be super valuable to us if USA steals 1 point from CZE, so our coaching staff may think that having the goalie which they may see as the better goalie starts against Austria to secure those points.

 

[FinPanda]

It does matter if our coaching staff sees a difference between our goalies. IF.

You didn't read my post. I said that our coaching staff might see a difference between the goalies. We can't know if they think that way.

So if our coaching staff sees a difference between these goalies, obviously they put the better goalie against Austria, yes? Because they don't want to risk of loosing points against a tougher team compared to GBR. This better goalie was decided before the GBR game, for them it's probably Säteri as he is getting the harder game against AUT and he also got the harder game SWE compared to USA (Olkinuora).

These points from Austria game might be super valuable to us if USA steals 1 point from CZE, so our coaching staff may think that having the goalie which they may see as the better goalie starts against Austria to secure those points.

Its still Austria... not Sweden.. not Czechs..

Either of these goaltenders can win against Austria. Both are about equally good and I prefer Olkinuora.

 

[Mestaruus]

I base my opinion based on history, you base yours on gut feeling.

Your history is flawed because you forget that Säteri won Olympic gold between what you referred to as history compared to today.

You thinking that USA & Sweden are the same level and implying that GBR and AUT are anything alike is the problem.

Yeah let's stop this. This isn't going anywhere. It's annoying repeating myself. All it is. I don't want to bother other posters.

I'll just close by saying that if Säteri has a good game against Austria, he is the starter against the Czechs. It's not my preference but it smells like the coaching staff is going with Säteri first unless Säteri screws up his #1 position. He's the starting gold goalie so I'm fine with Säteri over Olkinuora.

 

[Elias40]

If you want to enjoy great fan culture, watching the Finnish national hockey team is a waste of your time. You're not gonna see anything close to what happens at the matches of our national football team. The fans of the Finnish football team have taken studious note of what happens at football matches in Sweden, Germany, Serbia, etc. and it shows.

At the IIHF Worlds Finnish fans have no capo, no chants and no organization. I still expect to have a lot of fun next week attending a spring carnival of like-minded drunks, but when it comes to fan culture, the recent Ilves playoff games I saw at Nokia Arena beat this event hands down. The Ilves fan section has a pretty decent songbook of chants instead of just occasionally shouting "Suomi, Suomi, Suomi, Suomi".

So can you say that Finnish football fans have more songs for their team than hockey? I saw some football videos of Finnish fans in the stadiums and it was good. But in my opinion, you will find the best atmosphere from the countries of northern Europe in Denmark, then Sweden, Iceland and Finland are on the same level, and Norway is behind them.

If you watch any Djurgarden match in SHL in the regular season or in the playoffs, they have a great atmosphere. The same goes for Frölunde or Lulea. But these active fans do not go to Tre Kronor matches, so there is a quiet atmosphere and the Swedes are criticized in the Czech Republic because they do not like the Czechs. And they also wish there was no tournament like the World Cup in Sweden. Yes, the Czechs will make a better atmosphere than the Swedes, but it is also the only thing in which they will defeat the Swedes. And yet I would rather have a medal from the tournament than just live with the feeling that my people can do a good art atmosphere at the stadium.

 

[FinPanda]

Your history is flawed because you forget that Säteri won Olympic gold between what you referred to as history compared to today.

You thinking that USA & Sweden are the same level and implying that GBR and AUT are anything alike is the problem.

Yeah let's stop this. This isn't going anywhere. It's annoying repeating myself. All it is. I don't want to bother other posters.

I'll just close by saying that if Säteri has a good game against Austria, he is the starter against the Czechs. It's not my preference but it smells like the coaching staff is going with Säteri first unless Säteri screws up his #1 position.

Säteri got the starting job at olympic because Olkinuora wasn't able to play because of covid. Säteri hasn't been that great and he seems shaky.

I didn't say US and Sweden are same level or anything about the opponents they got. Thats like totally wrong and you are putting words to my mouth. I'm just saying its a rotation and its not based on the opponents. Before the tournamrnt I think the coaching staff felt US and Sweden games are about equal against top teams and Austria and GB are the "must win" games. They really can't change the rotation after game q because they trust both goaltenders. Just based on rotation Olkinuota gets the Czech game and the QF.

But yeah this is useless since I believe Olkinuora is the starter and you think its Säteri. You can't change my mind and I can't change yours

Also my head hurts to argue about this anyway, we both hope Olkinuora is the starter after all. Hopefully he is and I'm very confident that is the case.

 

[Elias40]

Yeah it's probably along those lines. Maybe a matter of expectations on the crowd as well. In a home tournament I expect the crowd to be loud enough to be that 6th skater, but in tournaments played in other countries there are no expectations, so any crowd support is a bonus in those.

Nowadays, every organizer of an event primarily wants to earn money for tickets. Therefore, it will also set a high price for an attractive match and a lower price for a favorite-outsider match. But it should not be based on this principle, because if you are the organizer of an event such as a home hockey tournament, you should want to have the sixth player in the stadium.

UEFA makes an absolutely terrible decision. Due to money from sponsors, he will give the finals of the European League to Azerbaijan or send the Danish and Czechs to a quarterfinal match several thousand kilometers away. No fans from Denmark or the Czech Republic.

 

[Mestaruus]

Its still Austria... not Sweden.. not Czechs..

Either of these goaltenders can win against Austria. Both are about equally good and I prefer Olkinuora.

Oh I guess I got to reply once more.

It's great that we can agree on something. I fully agree. I prefer Olkinuora too.

This is what I'm trying to tell you. It's not up to what you or I prefer. What I have been saying all the time is what it seems like our coaching staff prefers is that Säteri is the #1 goalie, because is the Olympic gold starting goalie and he got the harder opponents twice now. Now it's up to Säteri to perform well against Austria to keep his #1 goalie status.

I had enough of Hfboards for me for today lol.

 

[FinPanda]

Oh I guess I got to reply once more.

It's great that we can agree on something. I fully agree. I prefer Olkinuora too.

This is what I'm trying to tell you. It's not up to what you or I prefer. What I have been saying all the time is what it seems like our coaching staff prefers is that Säteri is the #1 goalie, because is the Olympic gold starting goalie and he got the harder opponents twice now. Now it's up to Säteri to perform well against Austria to keep his #1 goalie status.

Olympics shouldn't matter when it comss to how they perform today and not how Säteri did when Olkinuora couldn't play.

Olympics were only an extended EHT tournament. Austria game won't decide the starting goalie.

 

[Mestaruus]

Säteri got the starting job at olympic because Olkinuora wasn't able to play because of covid. Säteri hasn't been that great and he seems shaky.

I'm fully aware of that. It just happens to be that Säteri showed that he is a winner. He is a proven winner now and Olkinuora is a proven silver medalist as a starter. I remember the way Olkinuora's silver medal happened too. You don't have to remind me of that. Säteri isn't Olkinuora's forever backup guy anymore. If you think that way, you are wrong. I don't think that the coaching staff sees Säteri as some kind of Olkinuora back up anymore. It used to be that way before Säteri won Olympic gold as a starter.

 

[FinPanda]

I'm fully aware of that. It just happens to be that Säteri showed that he is a winner. He is a proven winner now and Olkinuora is a proven silver medalist as a starter. I remember the way Olkinuora's silver medal happened too. You don't have to remind me of that. Säteri isn't Olkinuora's forever backup guy anymore. If you think that way, you are wrong. I don't think that the coaching staff sees Säteri as some kind of Olkinuora back up anymore. It used to be that way before Säteri won Olympic gold as a starter.

I've only said they think they are about equal.. didn't talk about number 1 and number 2 goalie. Again, putting words to my mouth.