WC: Team Finland 2022 roster talk

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Two pages of Dahlin vs. Heiskanen talk on this thread? Can the swedish trolls get banned or something? Please.

On topic, Heiskanen is going to be a nice addition and creates a bit of a positive problem on who is going to be canned from the PP. Vatanen or Lehtonen?

Hope we can still get someone like Haula or Lindell on the team.
Does saying ”Dahlin is better than Heiskanen” make you a troll? No, it’s voicing an opinion about a player on Team Finland and relevant to the thread. We won’t discuss it more though. I am happy with Dahlin, enjoy your Heiskanen.
 
I only do this with Heiskanen and Dahlin. I praise the likes of Laine all the time. I will say my opinion on the player, regardless of nationality. I rate many finns. I am also not saying Heiskanen is bad, just that he isn’t as good as people think. He is still a useful player and a good #2D.
"I will say my opinion on the player, regardless of nationality." But if hes from Sweden ill praise him a little bit more :D

You know that its happening here. Everyone does. Dahlin is good. He is better than Heiskanen at offense but its not just Finnish people who think hes better overall than Dahlin. Also I doubt you watched most of the Dallas games like you say.
 
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Two pages of Dahlin vs. Heiskanen talk on this thread? Can the swedish trolls get banned or something? Please.
Well, what did you expect? Finland gets an elite-level d-man - of course it's going to generate some buzz.

And if we have to suffer some content that requires flipping it 180 to get to the truth in our daily news feeds, I'll take this over the Kremlin propaganda any given day. Much more entertaining.
 
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Finally Finland has an elite defender. It has been a long time. When was the last time at a World Cup?
 
No more Heiskenen vs Dahlin. It's tiresome and not what this thread is for. Create a separate thread and have it out if you want.

For me the forward preference is Haula, then Kapanen, then Kiviranta. All these players improve the forward group a lot in my opinion.

I think people underate Kapanen. Yes he s not at his best this season but the change of scenery might do him good. His top level is excellent. Really excellent. When he s on he is noticable all over the ice. Secondly I think some people misjudge the gap between NHL and euro leagues. It's bigger than some think. Kapanen would be a huge add and if he comes we should be delighted.

I would have haula before him because as someone said earlier he has been red hot for 2/3 months.
 
Finally Finland has an elite defender. It has been a long time. When was the last time at a World Cup?
Assuming that you mean the WHC by "World Cup", hmm... well... hold on... ehh... does Lasse Kukkonen count?
 
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No more Heiskenen vs Dahlin. It's tiresome and not what this thread is for. Create a separate thread and have it out if you want.

For me the forward preference is Haula, then Kapanen, then Kiviranta. All these players improve the forward group a lot in my opinion.

I think people underate Kapanen. Yes he s not at his best this season but the change of scenery might do him good. His top level is excellent. Really excellent. When he s on he is noticable all over the ice. Secondly I think some people misjudge the gap between NHL and euro leagues. It's bigger than some think. Kapanen would be a huge add and if he comes we should be delighted.

I would have haula before him because as someone said earlier he has been red hot for 2/3 months.
5 years ago the gap between the NHL and euro leagues was much bigger. Now with KHL imploding it will probably grow again. But for finnish players.. There are plenty quality players on european soil as good or better than their bottom/middle line NHL counterparts.

What you might downplay a little is the fact that the guys over here have played in tournaments and repeated the system plenty as well as played together. That more than makes up for the difference if the NHL player isn't a bonafide star.
 
Theres still a gap but agree with your points on team play. I'm not going to spit the dummy out but if we do get Kapanen I'd be super happy and am pretty confident he lights it up. My feeling is the change of scenery and Jalonen ignites his talent again which is a very sizable talent.
 
Theres still a gap but agree with your points on team play. I'm not going to spit the dummy out but if we do get Kapanen I'd be super happy and am pretty confident he lights it up. My feeling is the change of scenery and Jalonen ignites his talent again which is a very sizable talent.
I don't want Kapanen, just don't think he would fit for how this team Finland is playing.
 
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Also and I ve been thinking this for a long time, Kapanen is better on the left.

Kapanen Granlund Armia is a sweet line imo.

Pesonen Manninen Hartikanen excelled in prelim games.

Great top six for the tourney.
 
Why Fin Panda? He s fast and strong and energitec when engaged. Playing style he is perfect. It's mentally is the risk. He has to be engaged. I think it comes down to a conversation. He has to want to come. Not be convinced to come.
 
Why Fin Panda? He s fast and strong and energitec when engaged. Playing style he is perfect. It's mentally is the risk. He has to be engaged. I think it comes down to a conversation. He has to want to come. Not be convinced to come.
Playing style wise it would be hard to fit him into meidän peli. Not sure he has the patience; especially if he isn't THE guy.
 
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Why Fin Panda? He s fast and strong and energitec when engaged. Playing style he is perfect. It's mentally is the risk. He has to be engaged. I think it comes down to a conversation. He has to want to come. Not be convinced to come.
He had a terrible season and I just don't see he has the mentality to play his best and I question his work ethic for team and not for himself. He doesn't even have a contract so it would be a massive risk for him.
 
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Of course you guys should take Kapanen if you can get him. He is talented enough to be a top player at this level. Just give him top line minutes and lots of offensive freedom. Celebrate him for what he is instead of wanting him to be a grinder and role player. Kapanen has got more skill and higher upside than the likes of Haula, for me. Your team also needs a fast player to score on the rush more than another reliable two way center.
 
Of course you guys should take Kapanen if you can get him. He is talented enough to be a top player at this level. Just give him top line minutes and lots of offensive freedom. Celebrate him for what he is instead of wanting him to be a grinder and role player. Kapanen has got more skill and higher upside than the likes of Haula, for me.
Contract situation after the season he had makes is almost certain he won't come and I doubt he will even be asked though.
 
I am not sure. Jalonen does not gather 14 best forwards, but certain guys for certain roles.

On you talking about getting Kiviranta, we don't need another bottom-6 player. This team has so many of them. We got enough of those. This team screams for a guy who is offensively good and at the same time well rounded.

Hartikainen with Manninen is a lock. Now Granlund sucseeded with them against Latvia, so I believe he has a line there.

Granlund did both of his points on PP. Sure with same players as his even strength line but who knows if Granlund would've been good with any other players as well. He just arrived. He didn't get to practice with those guys really, so it's still perfect time to put him to the center position where we will build the second line with who ever is the forward coming, assuming that we indeed get a forward. Add Armia to that. OJ, Ismo Lehkonen, Tero Lehterä were all saying that they'd like to see Granlund playing center position and who knows how many more. I didn't have to go digging to find that info. I completely agree with them.

Pesonen+Manninen+Hartikainen worked well, so Pesonen can as well be their winger. It doesn't need to be Granlund. I want full potential of Granlund in use. Filppula should be a bottom-6 player. He's still good but he's not the prime NHL Filppula anymore. He can be a winger or center. I want more point production out of this team.

No he most likely doesn't change Lammikko's position from center because he's part of the PK squad. It's not good to change that at this point, unless they had performed catastrophically bad.

Putting Haula to 3rd line is something I don't like at all. Haula arrives late so he should go to wing and Jalonen often does it like that with such players that can play 2 positions, who also arrive late.

Yay to Heiskanen.

And still hoping for Haula. Now, normally I'd get the reasoning behind leaving out a 0.5ppg utility forward in favor of someone already present, and I guess those not so impressed by him are looking at his point totals (18+26) this season and drawing that conclusion. But the thing is - about 80% of Haula's points are from the last four months. The guy is red-hot right now.

Indeed. Haula has been on fire since the end of the regular season + most of the playoffs he was good too. He's way better than any other forward options that we have now.
 
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No more Heiskenen vs Dahlin. It's tiresome and not what this thread is for. Create a separate thread and have it out if you want.

Two pages of Dahlin vs. Heiskanen talk on this thread? Can the swedish trolls get banned or something? Please.
Absolutely not. Just when people compare him to the real elite defencemen. I think Heiskanen is a fine high end #2D, with elite skating, controlled breakouts and great rush defending. Don't like him being bullied by physical forwards and his lack of high end offensive skill though.

I made a poll about Dahlin vs Heiskanen. It can also be used as a place of discussing about that subject. AB13 feel free to link this in the team Sweden thread as well if you want, so it doesn't feel like the poll is rigged because I now linked it in the team Finland thread.

 
Granlund & Heiskanen and almost Hinz, drink it in fellas. Next year we gonna have good old fashioned Liiga All-star team again. 😃

But i would go on with 13 forwards, there's a role for everyone and all of them are already proven at this level. Go with 9 defenseman, it's unlikely that Jalonen does this but that's what i would do. I would play Heiskanen with Seppälä if my memory doesn't fail me, Heiskanen played with Lindell in Dallas and Heiskanen was on the right side. Seppälä is similar player.

Lehtonen - Hietanen
Seppälä - Heiskanen
Friman - Vatanen
Ohtamaa - Pokka

With Lindell
Seppälä - Heiskanen
Lindell - Vatanen
Lehtonen - Hietanen
Ohtamaa - Pokka
Friman

With Hakanpää
Heiskanen - Hakanpää
Seppälä/Friman - Vatanen
Lehtonen - Hietanen
Ohtamaa - Pokka
Friman/Seppälä
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On the of off topic subject. Dahlin is not a generational talent, if he were he would have turn things around in Buffalo. But instead Buffalo started their 4rth(?) rebuild, Dahlin is elite there's no question about it but definitely not generational. Crosby, Ovechkin, McDavid, Matthews and Makar are generational players. Hedman & Mackinnon are bordeline generational players and Connor Bedard & Matvei Michkov are next generational talents.

And the best defenseman in this tournament is Moritz Seider, already won the award last year at the age of 20. Ugh! 'Nuff said
 
Let's see who gets the last stamp. If it's haula then i'd be happy with this type of offensive line-up:

pesonen - manninen - hartikainen
rajala - granlund - armia
haula - filppula - sallinen
mäenalanen - björninen - anttila
13. lammikko

or if Jalonen wants to do as few changes as possible:

granlund - manninen - hartikainen
lammikko - haula - rajala
pesonen - filppula - armia
mäenalanen - björninen - anttila
13. sallinen
 
Does saying ”Dahlin is better than Heiskanen” make you a troll? No, it’s voicing an opinion about a player on Team Finland and relevant to the thread. We won’t discuss it more though. I am happy with Dahlin, enjoy your Heiskanen.
Well this isnt "Dahlin vs Heiskanen" So yes.. saying that makes someone a troll..
 
Well this isnt "Dahlin vs Heiskanen" So yes.. saying that makes someone a troll..
He said "Heiskanen is the best defenceman in the tournament". I said "No, he isn't, because Dahlin is".

I made a poll about Dahlin vs Heiskanen. It can also be used as a place of discussing about that subject. AB13 feel free to link this in the team Sweden thread as well if you want, so it doesn't feel like the poll is rigged because I now linked it in the team Finland thread.

6 finns have voted already. Not exactly fair. Swedes don't care enough to vote because we have so many good defencemen.
 
He said "Heiskanen is the best defenceman in the tournament". I said "No, he isn't, because Dahlin is".


6 finns have voted already. Not exactly fair. Swedes don't care enough to vote because we have so many good defencemen.
It's still hijacking a thread... God i hope mods would do something for once
 

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