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Olympics: Team Canada 2022, Part III

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zodiacbiller said:
Every Canadian Olympic team is built like that. Every single one. And they usually win because Canada has significantly more good players than other countries. If you think Canada wins gold medals because of Brenden Morrow and Mike Richards, you're out of your mind.
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Weird to cite two players who had strong tournaments in 2010. Canada's two best lines in 2010 were the more physical lines that Richards an Morrow played on. That isn't to say that Canada should focus on physicality exclusively but when a top player can also bring that element that's a plus.
 
86Habs said:
I think honestly if we get Doughty anywhere near where he was in 2018 he'll anchor our defense and play the most minutes of anyone on the team. Maybe too much to ask, so I'll settle for the 2019/7 games of current season version of Doughty, who would be a fine #4-5 for us.
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Yesterday during the Kings game they mentioned that Doughty had told Todd Mclellan that he could play 25-30 mins if needed, knowing Todd he would but I hope that's not the case. He had a good game yesterday, I was expecting him to be rusty but he proved me wrong.

Edit: he played 28 mins last night including OT
 
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JackSlater said:
I do believe that Hockey Canada is big on Tavares. I think that he's very tempting to them at the moment.
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Even as a Leaf fan, I am not terribly high on him getting there. He was pretty good in the 2016 World Cup, and whenever he has played for Canada he has contributed. But does he bring something more to the table that someone like Stamkos doesn't? Or Point? Or other centres who are at or near the bubble? I think if Tavares has to be taken off the team, so be it. The big ice might hurt him a bit with his foot speed.
 
Big Phil said:
Even as a Leaf fan, I am not terribly high on him getting there. He was pretty good in the 2016 World Cup, and whenever he has played for Canada he has contributed. But does he bring something more to the table that someone like Stamkos doesn't? Or Point? Or other centres who are at or near the bubble? I think if Tavares has to be taken off the team, so be it. The big ice might hurt him a bit with his foot speed.
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It's not on big ice. I would guess that Tavares is very much a bubble guy, but he's scoring and some bubble guys have disappointed. As a depth scoring LW he's fine but replaceable.
 
86Habs said:
LMFAO. No point in talking to you if either you didn't watch, or aren't smart enough to recognize what physical players like Richards and Morrow (and Nash) brought to the table in 2010 (or Benn/Carter/Perry in 2014).
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Perry and Nash were both NHL goals champions, and Benn was an Art Ross trophy winner. If they were big difference makers, how come the Nagano team with Primeau, Brind'Amour, Corson, Shanahan, Lindros, Linden, Zamuner, Stevens, Foote, Pronger lost? How come the Torino team with Thornton, Iginla, Nash, Bertuzzi, Foote, Blake, Pronger, Regehr, Doan lost? Those two teams were way more grit-filled than any of the teams that won. What is Dubois adding that guys like O'Reilly and Marchand aren't already bringing, besides being significantly less talented?
 
JackSlater said:
Weird to cite two players who had strong tournaments in 2010. Canada's two best lines in 2010 were the more physical lines that Richards an Morrow played on. That isn't to say that Canada should focus on physicality exclusively but when a top player can also bring that element that's a plus.
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Do you honestly think Brenden Morrow was a driving factor in Canada winning gold? Physicality doesn't matter if someone else is a better player.
 
zodiacbiller said:
Do you honestly think Brenden Morrow was a driving factor in Canada winning gold? Physicality doesn't matter if someone else is a better player.
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No reason u can’t have physicality who can score like Dubois. Oh just saw you think he doesn’t belong on team. You could be right.
 
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Adam da bomb said:
He has scored more than Reilly. So if it’s just about points. He also has similar point totals to a lot of guys so can make argument either way.
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You know that hockey has been played before the last six weeks, right? O'Reilly is way better than Dubois both offensively and defensively.
 
zeke said:
4) because he's one of the best players in the world.
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I honestly can't believe people are suggesting PLD or someone could make this team over Tavares. Its like people have gone completely stale on him. A down year for him would be PLD's career year thus far, and JT isn't having a down year at all. How does a top 10 scoring player captaining and leading scorer of one of the league's top teams ATM get left off more than half of the projected rosters? Its beyond me
 
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Breakfast of Champs said:
I honestly can't believe people are suggesting PLD or someone could make this team over Tavares. Its like people have gone completely stale on him. A down year for him would be PLD's career year thus far, and JT isn't having a down year at all. How does a top 10 scoring player captaining and leading scorer of one of the league's top teams ATM get left off more than half of the projected rosters? Its beyond me
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Narratives. A false narrative has been built up to the point it is truth to so many people.
 
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zodiacbiller said:
Do you honestly think Brenden Morrow was a driving factor in Canada winning gold? Physicality doesn't matter if someone else is a better player.
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Morrow was a contributor to that win and an effective player in the tournament. You picked a terrible example by citing Richards and Morrow, might as well move on to a better one.
 
Tavares should be there , especially on smaller ice. Wouldn't be surprised if he scores a big goal too - he bleeds Canadian hockey...his take over at the Jr's against the states is imprinted in my mind and has nothing to do with being a Leaf fan. Been a big time Tavares fan since his Gennies days.

Throw a sniper with wheels on his wing and watch him feather beauties like he's been doing to Willy all year.
 
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Breakfast of Champs said:
I honestly can't believe people are suggesting PLD or someone could make this team over Tavares. Its like people have gone completely stale on him. A down year for him would be PLD's career year thus far, and JT isn't having a down year at all. How does a top 10 scoring player captaining and leading scorer of one of the league's top teams ATM get left off more than half of the projected rosters? Its beyond me
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Answer: he plays for the Leafs
 
zodiacbiller said:
Perry and Nash were both NHL goals champions, and Benn was an Art Ross trophy winner. If they were big difference makers, how come the Nagano team with Primeau, Brind'Amour, Corson, Shanahan, Lindros, Linden, Zamuner, Stevens, Foote, Pronger lost? How come the Torino team with Thornton, Iginla, Nash, Bertuzzi, Foote, Blake, Pronger, Regehr, Doan lost? Those two teams were way more grit-filled than any of the teams that won. What is Dubois adding that guys like O'Reilly and Marchand aren't already bringing, besides being significantly less talented?
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Firstly, Marchand and O'Reilly should absolutely be locks for this team, and should play prominent roles. Dubois is most likely on the bubble to make the team anyway, and if he does it'll probably be as a depth winger or spare forward. He's playing well this year, and merits consideration. In my view, he deserves more consideration that does Scheifele based on his performance so far this year, but of course that can change over the next month.

zodiacbiller said:
Do you honestly think Brenden Morrow was a driving factor in Canada winning gold? Physicality doesn't matter if someone else is a better player.
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In a word, yes. Our two most physical lines (Toews/Nash/Richards, and Getzlaf/Perry/Morrow) dominated the game against Russia, and scored some of the key goals in the Slovakia and U.S. games. Morrow was instrumental in jump-starting the Getzlaf line. If you remember, Getzlaf and Perry were fairly ineffective early in the tournament when Staal was on their wing.
 
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Mathieukferland said:
I’m warming up slightly to Tavares, but if he is brought and is going to be playing a regular shift he needs to be surrounded by two much, much faster players
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There's room for Tavares, and if he continues playing as he is he should no doubt be selected. Some of the players who are (most likely) competing for C/LW roles - Couturier, Mangiapane to name a few - have trailed off of late.

A line of Tavares-Point-Marner would work in my opinion. That would be a very strong line Cooper could be comfortable throwing over the boards in any situation, with a good blend of playmaking, scoring ability, d-zone awareness, and possession ability.
 
Theres quite a few bubble guys not having great starts to the year. Barzal is playing himself off the team, I think Scheifele has been better than his point total but still not great from him, outside of a 3 game stretch where he got almost half his points Marner has had a pretty weak start as well. O'Reilly and Courturier could have used better starts offensively as well but thats not necesarily what would get them on the team anyways.

Gonna be an interesting 2 months
 
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Binnington
Hart
Kuemper

Theodore Pietrangelo
Toews Makar
Nurse Doughty
Pelech Ekblad

Marchand Crosby Bergeron
Stamkos McDavid Point
Huberdeau Mackinnon Mangiapane
O Reilly Couteriour Stone
Tavares
 
SpoolCat said:
Binnington
Hart
Kuemper

Theodore Pietrangelo
Toews Makar
Nurse Doughty
Pelech Ekblad

Marchand Crosby Bergeron
Stamkos McDavid Point
Huberdeau Mackinnon Mangiapane
O Reilly Couteriour Stone
Tavares
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Only fatal flaw I see here is swap pelech and ekblad with nurse and doughty. No way nurse and doughty play over pelech and ekblad, like 0% chance
 
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