Confirmed Signing with Link: [TBL] Alex Killorn (7 years $4.45M AAV)

[Jester9881]

Even if they trade Bishop with no money coming back, how do they bring in a backup and pay Kucherov, Johnson, Palat, Drouin, Namestnikov and Sustr without going over the cap? This is also assuming they let Boyle walk next offseason.

 

[The Madrigal]

Also

People would do well to realize the term allows the cap hit to be lower

On a 5 year term the hit likely goes up and that is actually worse for TB

So a guy who averages 15 goals and 40 points is worth what on a 5 year deal, 5 million? He isn't worth 4.45 million on a one year deal. If they were going to give him a 7 year deal the cap hit should been in the 3.5 - 4.0 million range. Flat out, this is not a good deal for Tampa. Too much term and an average annual value that cannot be justified for what the player brings to the table.

 

[Iceman]

The AAV was expected but certainly a lot of term. Hopefully he can continue his ways come playoff time, if he plans on staying a career 40 point player.

 

[tade]

A lot of term for a role player...

Top 6 players are role players now? What kind of role does he play? PK, defensive specialist or some kind of shutdown role? None of it, because he is top 6 player for the Tampa going forward.

 

[Five Alarm Fire]

So long term, this means one of johnson/palat are going right?

Bishop is probably the one lock to be gone. I think Johnson and Palat can stay, but it's going to take Yzerman finding someone to take Filppula and Garrison.

 

[boredmale]

Even if they trade Bishop with no money coming back, how do they bring in a backup and pay Kucherov, Johnson, Palat, Drouin, Namestnikov and Sustr without going over the cap? This is also assuming they let Boyle walk next offseason.

I Believe Tampa, this year had 12M to sign Kucherov, Kilhorn and Namestnikov so if they trade Bishsop(7M) they should have more then enough for this season to sign all 3 and a backup goalie

 

[Iceman]

Killorn brings the size and grit that is pretty much missing from our top 6 entirely besides Palat (who lacks the size).

 

[PAZ]

Killorns a great player, but that term is questionable. It's not like Tampa is starving for another top 6 player, and they have quite a few prospects with top 6 potential.

 

[Comely]

I guess this means they are trading Bishop, no one is taking Filppula. He costs to much and according to generalphanager he has a nmc so he has to be protected.

 

[Jester9881]

I Believe Tampa, this year had 12M to sign Kucherov, Kilhorn and Namestnikov so if they trade Bishsop(7M) they should have more then enough for this season to sign all 3 and a backup goalie

Bishop makes just under 6m, they have 8.5m in room now..... but Hedman gets a sizable bump next season as does Vasilevskiy. Not a lot of wiggle room with this Killorn deal.

 

[LeafGrief]

Sounds like great dollar value, but the term seems a bit much for a middle sixer. Hope this works out for TB. They've got their core pieces locked up and can be a real threat for a long long time.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

Who cares if the term is 7 years, he'll still only be 33 at the end of the deal.

 

[BHD]

Not the player I expected to get that type of term, at least with Tampa.

 

[CanadienShark]

Little too much term and dollars imo.

 

[RememberTheName]

Great dollar, not so great term. Probably something around 5 years would have been better

 

[tjs*]

The thing you all have to realize is that this deal (assuming there is no NMC for 2017) does not mean that Killorn is in Yzerman's longterm plans. This season will be tight but manageable: Filppula is the ideal but unlikely choice to be moved, Bishop might go if Dallas meets Yzerman's demands (likely Honka), and failing that Garrison can easily be moved a year ahead of schedule. Next summer all three of them will be gone one way or another and the only remaining question will be which of Killorn, Johnson, Palat, or Drouin we will lose. Killorn will be an attractive cost-controlled piece to a lot of teams, especially after we finally give him a full year in the top six instead of a shutdown role on the third line with guys like Filppula and Callahan, and worst case scenario we can leave him exposed for Vegas to take off our hands. In short this doesn't limit our options one bit.

 

[SmellOfVictory]

Seems like reasonable value for a good 2nd line winger. Maybe half a mil more expensive than it could've been if he'd taken a slight discount, but not much to complain about.

The thing you all have to realize is that this deal (assuming there is no NMC for 2017) does not mean that Killorn is in Yzerman's longterm plans. This season will be tight but manageable: Filppula is the ideal but unlikely choice to be moved, Bishop might go if Dallas meets Yzerman's demands (likely Honka), and failing that Garrison can easily be moved a year ahead of schedule. Next summer all three of them will be gone one way or another and the only remaining question will be which of Killorn, Johnson, Palat, or Drouin we will lose. Killorn will be an attractive cost-controlled piece to a lot of teams, especially after we finally give him a full year in the top six instead of a shutdown role on the third line with guys like Filppula and Callahan, and worst case scenario we can leave him exposed for Vegas to take off our hands. In short this doesn't limit our options one bit.

Very true. Unless he gets injured or starts doing heroin, TB won't have any problem moving him if they need to.

 

[Osprey]

I'm guessing that Tampa Bay thinks that he'll figure out the regular season sometime soon and was afraid that, after he does, they wouldn't be able to afford to keep him once a shorter contract ended. Based on his abilities, playoff success and entering his prime, it's not a stretch for him to become a consistent 25-goal guy in the regular season. If he reaches that, especially soon, $4.45M would seem very fair, perhaps even a bit of a bargain. Even if he never reaches that, but simply continues being a playoff performer, I doubt that Tampa Bay will mind.

 

[notsocommonsense]

Top 6 players are role players now? What kind of role does he play? PK, defensive specialist or some kind of shutdown role? None of it, because he is top 6 player for the Tampa going forward.

From an outsiders point of view, I was thinking namestnikov might take a top 6 role this year w Killorn moving to the 3rd line. But Tampa fans know the players better than I do, am I way off base?

 

[Stammer Time*]

Considering how HF grades Yzerman on moves right after they happen I expect a Conn Smythe in Killorn future.

 

[scrubadam]

So a guy who averages 15 goals and 40 points is worth what on a 5 year deal, 5 million? He isn't worth 4.45 million on a one year deal. If they were going to give him a 7 year deal the cap hit should been in the 3.5 - 4.0 million range. Flat out, this is not a good deal for Tampa. Too much term and an average annual value that cannot be justified for what the player brings to the table.

1 million for every 10 points unless you bring some crazy intangibles.

So right now at 4.45 he is about .45 overpaid, but his great playoffs make up for that. Also all he needs to do is avg 45 points and the deal will be fine. Killhorn isn't some 35 year old he can still grow a bit.

 

[scrubadam]

I guess this means they are trading Bishop, no one is taking Filppula. He costs to much and according to generalphanager he has a nmc so he has to be protected.

I understand the cap situation, but I don't know about trading Bishop from a TB perspective. I am a habs fan so only see Bishop a few times a year but to me he seems like a very important piece of the team. I almost put him at Price level for TB. I just cant imagine the team not missing a Vezna goalie if he is traded. And there is also the point that TB has yet to win in the playoffs (with Cooper) without Bishop.

 

[The Madrigal]

Teams like the Leafs and Flyers who signed key RFA's early are looking really smart right about right now. Couturier at 4.2 million and Kadri at 4.5 million look like steals after some of the deals like this one that were signed this summer.

 

[Jayevs]

Sounds like about a million too much right now. Always thought of him as a McGinn level player.

 

[BHD]

The contract isn't terrible. The issue, though, is how it could - depending on what Yzerman does - affect their salary structure moving forward. Although, Yzerman has maneuvered through things pretty well up to this point.