Tavares

[BrannigansLaw]

Irony at it's finest.

Oh because I’m sure saying he sucked would have placated the fanboys who throw a hissy fit anytime someone says anything they don’t like. Gotcha

 

[ACC1224]

I don't think it's fair to call Nylander's contract a bad RFA deal from Dubas based on how he played in the regular season.

The only thing we can hate was how it played out and that he was not re-signed a lot earlier.

Deal is fine on its own the problem has always been Dubas caving.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Deal is fine on its own the problem has always been Dubas caving.

Nylander's contract is the one time you can not say Dubas caved. He was willing to let Nylander miss the 2018-19 season and he had his agent call Dubas at 4:30 PM EST before the 5:00 PM EST deadline to get a deal done.

With deal finally done, Nylander, Dubas breathe sighs of relief - TSN.ca

That’s not to say Nylander and Dubas both didn’t have their doubts whether or not the new contract would come together in time. To be eligible to play this season, the Leafs had to file Nylander’s signed contract with the NHL’s Central Registry by 5 p.m. ET on Saturday. It wasn’t until 4:30 p.m. that day Nylander made the call that would swing negotiations in the right direction.

 

[Menzinger]

Deal is fine on its own the problem has always been Dubas caving.

How are you defining caving here though?

Based on the few leaks we had, the number seems to be roughly between the two sides to me (assuming Nylanders agent started at around 8mil per). Imp the bigger critique of the deal is that it should have been closed sooner

 

[LeafsNation75]

How are you defining caving here though?

Based on the few leaks we had, the number seems to be roughly between the two sides to me (assuming Nylanders agent started at around 8mil per). Imp the bigger critique of the deal is that it should have been closed sooner

I remember that Nylander started out at $8.5 million because he was specifically using Leon Draisaitl's contract as his comparable.

 

[Menzinger]

Tavares and Nylander is a tandem that needs to stay together for rest of the series and even playoffs. They thrive off that chemistry

 

[LeafsNation75]

Tavares and Nylander is a tandem that needs to stay together for rest of the series and even playoffs. They thrive off that chemistry

It's no coincidence that Tavares was playing a lot better with Nylander on his line and he had an assist on his breakaway goal.

 

[qqaz]

JT was 4 goals shy of the rocket last season

Sure.

And yet you only hear about Matthews as a contender for the award, don't you?

 

[LeafsNation75]

Sure.

And yet you only hear about Matthews as a contender for the award, don't you?

That's still a fact which you can not deny.

We also hear about Matthews being more of a contender for it since he also finished 4 goals behind Crosby when he won it during the 2016-17 season and this past season Matthews was 1 goal away from sharing it with Ovechkin and Pastrnak.

 

[Menzinger]

It's no coincidence that Tavares was playing a lot better with Nylander on his line and he had an assist on his breakaway goal.

Apparently they work after practice together sometimes on extra shooting drills so they definitely have been working on building the on ice connection

 

[ACC1224]

How are you defining caving here though?

Based on the few leaks we had, the number seems to be roughly between the two sides to me (assuming Nylanders agent started at around 8mil per). Imp the bigger critique of the deal is that it should have been closed sooner

How much money did Nylander lose by sitting out?

 

[Menzinger]

How much money did Nylander lose by sitting out?

Every negotiation will have compromises. I don't necessarily think that's "caving". Each side agreed the player was worth just under 7 mil a season and they played around with the numbers to balance the math for that aav over the 6 years of term and in the end that resulted in him getting made whole for that year.

Imo I think folks get too fixated on "winning or losing" contracts (or trades for that matter) when in fact things aren't always as black and white as thay

 

[kb]

How much money did Nylander lose by sitting out?

Was he supposed to lose money? I'd say if the ask was $8.5m, he lost a lot.

 

[ACC1224]

Was he supposed to lose money? I'd say if the ask was $8.5m, he lost a lot.

Shouldn’t be paid for games you don’t play.

 

[kb]

Shouldn’t be paid for games you don’t play.

So what is that hurting now? It's not a cave.

 

[Menzinger]

Need a big game from him tonight

 

[qqaz]

That's still a fact which you can not deny.

We also hear about Matthews being more of a contender for it since he also finished 4 goals behind Crosby when he won it during the 2016-17 season and this past season Matthews was 1 goal away from sharing it with Ovechkin and Pastrnak.

I didn't deny it. It's a fact.

I'm talking about perception, here. You're explaining exactly what I'm talking about. I'm not saying Tavares won't win an award. I'm saying Matthews will get more award hype.

Not sure if it's just semantics that you're picking on. If I could say it different I would. My post literally said Tavares is my favorite Leaf.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Liking his play tonight so far

 

[BrannigansLaw]

WILLLYY!!!! Sweet pass by Mitch too!

 

[ORRFForever]

Need a big game from him tonight

His best game of the series.

 

[ORRFForever]

His best game of the series.

I spoke too soon.

 

[2 Slick]

John Tavares had a good game tonight, sometimes you lose. It happens. Move on.

 

[Gallagbi]

I spoke too soon.

You were wrong to even say it in the first place

 

[Stephen]

Not sure why Tavares was thrown out there again after he was clearly gassed on that last OT shift.

He had a good grinding night but again, but that's not exactly why he's paid the big bucks.

 

[tuckertowns]

I’m so used to being disappointed by this team. All my life. I’m 38 and I’ve been a hardcore fan my ENTIRE life. Disappointed after disappointment. I don’t know what it is about our leafs.. can’t explain it, they just cave when it matters most. I’m sad. Not even mad anymore. Just kinda expect it.. just the truth. It’s normal for my team to f*** up when games mean something.
Matthews was great, he played hard but there are some highly paid guys on this team that look
sorta average. Back to the drawing board I guess. Goodnight crew.