Tampa defeats Toronto 4 games to 3

[HofT]

Lol!

Holl's we all know shouldn't count.

Now here, Foote is holding Kampf along the boards with the puck right there. Cause of that hold, it created an open lane and allowed Paul to freely go on his rush which led to his rebound goal.

And here, Killron is holding Muzzin's stick which hindered Muzzin's ability to potentially stripped the puck off of Paul, who scored.

 

[Eco]

I got some shit in the Habs playoffs thread for saying to not crown Leafs yet when they were up 3-2.

Playoff hockey is just different, and it's never over until a team has won that 4th game. Plus, TB has proven year after year that you cannot discount them...

I will say though, this was a different Leafs team than last year. Last year was.....well, pathetic from the Leafs. This year was much different, in that they actually outplayed the Bolts for most of the series, just when it mattered, they weren't able to finish off a team no one has in 2+ years. They fought until the end and for that, they should have some sense of pride.

Hell of a year for the Leafs, and maybe, just maybe, this loss is when they can finally turn the page and advance next year, as they took a massive step forward this year as compared to last year.

But, it's still the NHL playoffs and anything can happen in the playoffs. Anything.

 

[Yackiberg8]

A fan who cheers for the LEAFS of all teams calling someone a loser…. Big yikes.

Can you show me any non Leaf’s or even professionals who think that wasn’t a penalty?

You could argue it is a penalty but whether it should be called in that situation when it is almost never called is another story.

 

[nbwingsfan]

It's just frustrating to see that in game 7 both of Tampa's goals had a penalty committed by a Tampa player but with no call, where as for the Leafs and Holl there was. Though, I think Holl diving and his lack of subtlety led to it being called. Holl made himself stand out.

I'll also add this, it's accurate to say the only legit goal in game 7 was Reilly's.

No it’s not accurate at all.

It’s so pathetic to use the refs excuse as to why you lost a series. Truly pathetic.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

If Leafs had bothered to show up in Game 4, they may have never needed a Game 7. PP sucked. Far too many slow starts. And 2 games thrown away (2 & 4) to overall mediocre play.

TB got stronger as series went along, as did Montreal. Zero killer instinct on the team.

They'll start winning series when they show up for 60 minutes games, each game. Don't know why they go into these patterns of really poor play, but they do.

Don't think team needs to blow it up, but changes will, and should occur. Nylander and Matthews are now only 2 years away from free agency.

Nylander should be moved. Engvall is useless in playoffs.

Thought Blackwell & Giordano were good pickups, but Toronto really needed someone like Nick Paul upfront. They need a big body that can play upfront, and on D.

D was ok, but outside of Rielly not a lot of offense from them.

We'll see how the off-season goes.

 

[HofT]

No it’s not accurate at all.

It’s so pathetic to use the refs excuse as to why you lost a series. Truly pathetic.

You won't explain why I am not accurate in my examples.

And it's truly pathetic you keep on insisting that narrative. I do not see anyone claiming the leafs lost the series solely because of the refs.

 

[nbwingsfan]

You could argue it is a penalty but whether it should be called in that situation when it is almost never called is another story.

When do you see players knocked down without the puck right at the circle while chasing the puck carrier not called a penalty? This wasn’t some little “get in his way on a dump in” type pick. It was as blatant as you can get and that’s why no one other than a few vocal Leaf fans see otherwise.

You won't explain why I am not accurate in my examples.

And it's truly pathetic you keep on insisting that narrative. I do not see anyone claiming the leafs lost the series solely because of the refs.

I see multiple posters say they lost because of the refs. A couple in this thread alone

 

[Here I Pageau Again]

How many of them never made it out of the 1st round?

I love that winning a playoff round to Leafs fans is comparable to the cup.

Stamkos made it out of the first round in year 3. Ovechkin won a round in the playoffs in his 3rd year. Yzerman won a round in his 4th year.

 

[HofT]

When do you see players knocked down without the puck right at the circle while chasing the puck carrier not called a penalty? This wasn’t some little “get in his way on a dump in” type pick. It was as blatant as you can get and that’s why no one other than a few vocal Leaf fans see otherwise.


I see multiple posters say they lost because of the refs. A couple in this thread alone

Check out the Leafs board
And plus, you quoted me. I gave 2 fairly accurate short descriptions with video proof as to why they are penalties. If you can't explain why they are not penalties then move on.

 

[Here I Pageau Again]

I don't know how anyone could call this a choke. Toronto was extremely dangerous pretty much constantly. They just happened to run into the b2b Champs. I hear people saying major changes are coming and while I don't think it would hurt Toronto to shed some of their forward money, they also don't need much tinkering.

I don't feel like it was a choke. But if I was a Leafs fans I wouldn't be happy with it. At a certain point anything that isn't a first playoff round win should be a disappointment.

 

[LTIR Trickery]

Don't know how a series that ended up literally one shot different could be considered a choke.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Check out the Leafs board
And plus, you quoted me. I gave 2 fairly accurate short descriptions with video proof as to why they are penalties. If you can't explain why they are not penalties then move on.

Two guys battling for a puck and falls on his stick. No ref is going to call that

Second one another board battle and grainy video doesn’t show anything.

Cool cool

 

[HofT]

Two guys battling for a puck and falls on his stick. No ref is going to call that

Second one another board battle and grainy video doesn’t show anything.

Cool cool

And Holl was battling for a good position on Tavares's goal.

 

[JimmyApples]

And Holl was battling for a good position on Tavares's goal.

Tavares never scored? Unless you mean in Game 6

 

[The90]

I don't feel like it was a choke. But if I was a Leafs fans I wouldn't be happy with it. At a certain point anything that isn't a first playoff round win should be a disappointment.

Most leaf fans literally do feel that way. Save for the 10% loudest trade everyone types.

 

[OurlordAndSaviorKuch]

Leaf fans bitching about the refs but ignoring the shit their team got away with oh the irony

 

[markog]

List of active Leaf streaks

- Longest Stanley Cup drought in history (55 years; 0-0 in cup finals)

- Longest active drought of not winning a playoff series (18 years; 0-7 in playoffs)

- 10 straight games lost where they had a chance to win a series

- 6 consecutive first round exits since 2017 (anyone know the record? or even the cap era record?)

In 2020 they missed playoffs.

 

[Karl Eriksson]

Some sad denial going on in here. Like with recovering alcoholics it will turn to acceptance in time.

 

[pb1300]

If pointing out that our elite scorers flat out failed vs MTL and CBJ is "finding a scapegoat", then sure.



nothing vague about it. the goal was scored. the reasons for it being disallowed were borderline even for a regular season game, let alone a game 7.



he allowed a 2nd goal, which was then disallowed.

The goal was never scored. The whistle was blown after a penalty call. Being the hockey know-it-alls that you all are, how you think Tavares makes it to that shooting position without any type of interference on his defender, is crazy. You keep complaining about an obvious penalty, and I’d bet you wouldn’t be uttering a word if the play and penalty was called on the opposite end of the ice.

You guys lost a great series against the b2b champs. You didn’t choke a lead away, you lost a do or die game 7. It happens. But to blame it on a correct penalty being called it getting ridiculous now.

 

[HofT]

The goal was never scored. The whistle was blown after a penalty call. Being the hockey know-it-alls that you all are, how you think Tavares makes it to that shooting position without any type of interference on his defender, is crazy. You keep complaining about an obvious penalty, and I’d bet you wouldn’t be uttering a word if the play and penalty was called on the opposite end of the ice.

You guys lost a great series against the b2b champs. You didn’t choke a lead away, you lost a do or die game 7. It happens. But to blame it on a correct penalty being called it getting ridiculous now.

It's because both of Tampa's goals had penalties involved that went unnoticed.

 

[pb1300]

It's because both of Tampa's goals had penalties involved that went unnoticed.

C’mon, those are highly suspect. One the guy falls and lands on the players stick. You can’t always control how you fall. Mayyyyyybe there is something with the other, but you have to have super human eye sight to see what’s going on, or be a frustrated Leafs fan who is looking for any justification. But regardless, to argue about that interference call, being the wrong call, is just ridiculous. It was so blatant. You know very well, seeing how that play was developing, that Tavares had no clear way to get to that shooting position, without interference from his teammate.

 

[HofT]

C’mon, those are highly suspect. One the guy falls and lands on the players stick. You can’t always control how you fall. Mayyyyyybe there is something with the other, but you have to have super human eye sight to see what’s going on, or be a frustrated Leafs fan who is looking for any justification. But regardless, to argue about that interference call, being the wrong call, is just ridiculous. It was so blatant. You know very well, seeing how that play was developing, that Tavares had no clear way to get to that shooting position, without interference from his teammate.

He fell on the stick, then squeezed and held it between his left arm. When he did that the but end of the stick propped up while Muzzin was still holding it but he had to let go because Paul was skating by. Intent or not, Killorn is holding Muzzin's stick and hindered Muzzin from making a play on Paul who scored. Holding an opposing team player's stick is a penalty.

And the other, Foote opens his arms and side hugs Kampf holding him along the boards for a couple seconds so that Paul can have a free lane who goes on to score the game's 1st goal. Holding an opposing team's player is a penalty.

They are not highly suspect. Those plays directly impacted the scoreboard. The only legit rebuttal so far was Killorn's intent (intent doesn't matter, especially seeing the stick prop up) and that Kampf didn't try hard enough to get out of the hold to create attention for the refs to see.

 

[pb1300]

He fell on the stick, then squeeze and held it between his left arm. When he did that the but end of the stick propped up. Intent or not, he's holding the opposing team's stick and hindered Muzzin from making a play on Paul who scored. Holding an opposing team player's stick is a penalty.

And the other, Foote opens his arms and side hugs Kampf holding him along the boards for a couple seconds so that Paul can have a free lane who goes on to score the game's 1st goal. Holding an opposing team's player is a penalty.

They are not highly suspect. Those plays directly impacted the scoreboard. The only legit rebuttal so far was Killron's intent (intent doesn't matter) and that Kampf didn't try hard enough to get out of the hold to create attention to the ref.

You’re reaching on two plays that would be questionable calls in the regular season, let alone the playoffs, versus a play that was 1000x clearer. Either way, it’s a 1-1 game with half a game left, in Game 7. The Leafs needed to buckle down, and win the game. Vasi was one goal better than Campbell from that point on. It happens.

 

[HofT]

You’re reaching on two plays that would be questionable calls in the regular season, let alone the playoffs, versus a play that was 1000x clearer. Either way, it’s a 1-1 game with half a game left, in Game 7. The Leafs needed to buckle down, and win the game. Vasi was one goal better than Campbell from that point on. It happens.

What am I reaching? I'm not over exaggerating the plays. I think my descriptions of them are very accurate but I am open for opinion.

I will add that it would be difficult in real time for a ref to see the stick being held. And for Foote holding Kampf. I don't know, I just see a clear isolated side bear hold.

And yea, I definitely agree with you on your last points. Leafs should have done way better in that game and the series. They should have dictated the game by scoring first but instead they only scored 1 goal the entire game. Leafs will very very rarely win any game scoring 1 goal. And it was also a good test to see if they were resilient enough to comeback in Game 7 from only a 1 goal deficit but they failed at that as well, again.

 

[pb1300]

What am I reaching? I'm not over exaggerating the plays. I think my descriptions of them are very accurate but I am open for opinion.

I will add that it would be difficult in real time for a ref to see the stick being held. And for Foote holding Kampf. I don't know, I just see a clear isolated side bear hold.

And yea, I definitely agree with you on your last points. Leafs should have done way better in that game and the series. They should have dictated the game but instead they only scored 1 goal. Leafs will very very rarely win any game scoring 1 goal.

You have to understand too, your isolating two plays, pausing and rewinding over and over. The officials do not have that luxury. If I’m officiating that game, I’m not calling those two plays a penalty. That’s not because I hate the team, it’s just not severe enough to warrant calls IMO. The Muzzin play is just two players falling and flaring on the ice, the other they are tangled, but Kampf makes little effort to get out. At least embellish it a little, make it more noticeable while an odd man rush is occurring.

But you’re also a Leafs homer, so you see things differently. You take those non-calls more personal when it happens against your team. Would you feel the same way if the plays were reversed, and the outcome was 2-1 Leaf’s, rather than Lightning? I’m a Ppanthers homer btw, so don’t take me calling you a homer an insult.