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Proposal: Tage Thompson for Dylan Larkin

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Who wins the trade?

  • Buffalo

    Votes: 105 34.5%

  • Detroit

    Votes: 128 42.1%

  • Both

    Votes: 7 2.3%

  • Neither

    Votes: 60 19.7%

  • Everyone

    Votes: 4 1.3%
  • Total voters
    304
Satanphonehome said:
So how would you define a 40-goal scorer?

William Nylander has hit 40 twice over the past 4 years. Same with Jason Robertson, Nathan MacKinnon, Mathew Tkachuk, Filip Forsberg and Steven Stamkos. Sam Reinhart, Jake Guentzel and Kyle Connor have done it once, like Tage.

Are any of those guys, 40 goal scorers?

Over the past 4 seasons, Thompson has 140 goals in 275 games, a 40+ goal pace. To me, that pace, over that big of a sample size, makes your resistance in terms of this talking point a weird hill to die on.

In terms of actual goals scored, that's more than Tkachuk, Stamkos, Guentzel, Forsberg, and Robertson and in the same ballpark as Connor, MacKinnon and Nylander.

In terms of pace, that's better than Tkachuk, Stamkos, Guentzel, Nylander and Robertson and in the same ballpark as Forsberg, Connor, Mackinnon and Reinhart.

I guess one could argue — under what seems to be your definition — that few to none of those guys are 40-goal scorers either?

But to me that seems 'a bit silly.'
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You’re trying to argue something that wasn’t the original comment just like the original poster who I commented to did to my response. He called him a 40-50 goal scorer.

“40-50 goal scorer. “

He has averaged 38 goals over the past 3 seasons. He’s scored over 40 goals just once in his career. He’s scored less than 40 goals several times in his career. Yet, somehow the poster says he’s a 40-50 goal scorer when he’s never come close to 50 outside of the one season?!

When describing a player to talk about his value, using their single best season, when nothing else has come close to it, isn’t really being sincere. Saying that he’s a 40 goal scorer would be much more accurate and sincere but he felt the need to inflate it to put him over Larkin, value wise.
 
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Hazy Little Thing said:
How can he be a regular 40 goal scorer if he’s only done it once? Let’s pump the brakes and give him some time before we crown him with accolades he hasn’t yet achieved.
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He scored 38 in freaking season when he only played 71 games if you think he can't get 40 regularly in an 82 game season then you just frankly don't watch Tage Thompson it is completely ridiculous argument. He's already had a season where he almost hit 50 and he was injured for a portion of that season too like ffs.
 
Panthaz89 said:
He scored 38 in freaking season when he only played 71 games if you think he can't get 40 regularly in an 82 game season then you just frankly don't watch Tage Thompson it is completely ridiculous argument. He's already had a season where he almost hit 50 and he was injured for a portion of that season too like ffs.
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But being healthy is part of the equation. Would you consider a guy who scores a goal in his first game but tears his ACL in that game a regular 82 goal scorer? Absolutely not, just like you wouldn’t call a guy who scored 38 in 71 a regular 40 goal scorer.
 
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Theyre pretty close. Thompson is bigger, younger and cheaper.

Larkin is really good at faceoffs and Thompson f***ing sucks at it.

I don't see a reason for either team to make this trade. Not because the other player isn't as good, or anything there just isn't a reason.

Neither player is struggling.
Neither player is looking for a change of scenery.
Neither team is rebuilding, or wanting to be in this stage of the rebuild.

Larkin, local kid picked by his team and he's been there for a while.

Thompson from a decent piece to an almost bust to a unique player in the league.
 
Hazy Little Thing said:
But being healthy is part of the equation. Would you consider a guy who scores a goal in his first game but tears his ACL in that game a regular 82 goal scorer? Absolutely not, just like you wouldn’t call a guy who scored 38 in 71 a regular 40 goal scorer.
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No one's saying you should take a one game sample size of Thompson and project that out to him being an 82 goal scorer, that would clearly be asinine. I will say I think the season in question was 38 goals in 78 games, not 71. So yeah it's fair to say that's not a 40 goal season. That was also 3 + seasons ago. That said, having watched a ton of Tage he's pretty much a lock for 40+ going forward. Over the last 3 and a half seasons he's paced at 41 goals a season and thats also factoring in a year of Tage playing with a wrist injury that hampered him most of last season and it clearly impacted his shot. Also Thompson isn't injury prone at all so I really don't get what you're trying to reference with the "health" comment.
As for the premise of this thread I can see valid arguments for either guy given age, contract, ceiling, floor, overall game, etc. I think both teams stick with what they've got.
 
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is the answer jesus said:
No one's saying you should take a one game sample size of Thompson and project that out to him being an 82 goal scorer, that would clearly be asinine. I will say I think the season in question was 38 goals in 78 games, not 71. So yeah it's fair to say that's not a 40 goal season. That was also 3 + seasons ago. That said, having watched a ton of Tage he's pretty much a lock for 40+ going forward. Over the last 3 and a half seasons he's paced at 41 goals a season and thats also factoring in a year of Tage playing with a wrist injury that hampered him most of last season and it clearly impacted his shot. Also Thompson isn't injury prone at all so I really don't get what you're trying to reference with the "health" comment.
As for the premise of this thread I can see valid arguments for either guy given age, contract, ceiling, floor, overall game, etc. I think both teams stick with what they've got.
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“Tage played with a wrist injury”
“Tage isn’t injury prone at all”

Tage has never played a full season in the NHL. He averages 9 missed games a year or 11% of the season.
 
A young player is not actually part of the core if he has 20 points in 50 games, just saying. Lot of magic beans in Detroit outside of like four players and Larkin is 28 without any playoff looks. It is not unreasonable to think he might want out soon.
 
TageGod said:
A young player is not actually part of the core if he has 20 points in 50 games, just saying. Lot of magic beans in Detroit outside of like four players and Larkin is 28 without any playoff looks. It is not unreasonable to think he might want out soon.
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You already said this shit, and it already got slapped down.

FriendlyGhost92 said:
Our incredibly old core players!

Larkin (28)
Seider (23)
Raymond (22)
Edvinsson (22)

Forget retirement, these guys are close to death. :biglaugh:
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Guess you thought it'd sound smarter and people would forget if you ghosted the thread for a page.
 
TageGod said:
Keep ignoring that I already counted them as your good players.
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Really, because I thought that was our top four producers?

TageGod said:
I am looking at this roster and outside of your top 4 point producers, yikes. Kane and Tarasenko are ready to fall off the cliff.
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You still waiting for Tarasenko to fall off that cliff that he's already been resting peacefully at the bottom of all year?
 
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FriendlyGhost92 said:
Really, because I thought that was our top four producers?



You still waiting for Tarasenko to fall off that cliff that he's already been resting peacefully at the bottom of all year?
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Still while at the bottom of that cliff he is one of your better production players lol.
 
TageGod said:
Still while at the bottom of that cliff he is one of your better production players lol.
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He's 6th among Detroit's forwards.

And yet, he'd only be 7th on teams like Tampa, Toronto, Vegas, and Washington, and would be 5th in Colorado and Edmonton.

Whole bunch of shitty teams on that list. I see your point, we're f***ed. :sarcasm:
 
Hazy Little Thing said:
“Tage played with a wrist injury”
“Tage isn’t injury prone at all”

Tage has never played a full season in the NHL. He averages 9 missed games a year or 11% of the season.
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I mean surely you can differentiate between "he was injured last season and played through it" and your broad claim that he's injury prone. Which he isn't. Is Larkin injury prone? He's only played 82 games once, am I doing this right?
 
I think whoever gets Larkin wins the trade but that's just because I value centers over wings. Rather see both on the same team making 2/3 of a helluva line.
 
cbjthrowaway said:
rearranging the deck chairs on two titanics!
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My buddy got me this mug. He thinks (and I agree) I just shuffle deck chairs around on this sinking ship we call life. I use the mug everyday!
titanic.jpg
 
Winger98 said:
I think whoever gets Larkin wins the trade but that's just because I value centers over wings. Rather see both on the same team making 2/3 of a helluva line.
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I like how Thompson plays ~2 games at wing because he has some nagging injury preventing him from taking face offs and people are pretending he’s not a center anymore.
 
Tage is the better goal scorer, Larkin is the better center. Both teams keep what they have because this trade is ultimately robbing Peter to pay Paul.
 
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tsujimoto74 said:
I like how Thompson plays ~2 games at wing because he has some nagging injury preventing him from taking face offs and people are pretending he’s not a center anymore.
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If he doesn't want to be seen as a wing he should be better at being a center. I think Thompson is Cozens deluxe - someone who would be better off on the wing.
 
Winger98 said:
If he doesn't want to be seen as a wing he should be better at being a center. I think Thompson is Cozens deluxe - someone who would be better off on the wing.
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I like Larkin a lot but not sure good fit for Buffalo
Thompson not going to be traded

Red wings and Sabres not good trade partners.
 
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